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I really don't know if I am crazy or what, but I seem to have understood what she was saying to Jake about the eyes completely differently.

I took it as she was saying that she had never felt close to him, and that she didn't know why, and she through out some hypotheticals, like 'I don't know what it is, whether it's an aura thing, or his eyes are too close together or... whatever,' and I just cannot see how this is in any way a personal attack of any kind. She wasn't saying 'His eyes are too close together' as I hear it. She was saying there was some indefinable something that she couldn't put her finger on, but among all of these strangers for some reason she didn't hadn't warmed to him. And along with something nebulous like 'his aura' (and not said in the way Estelle would have said it,) she went with the stereotypical physical trait of an archetypal villain.

It seems madness to me to interpret this as an attack in any way. Am I missing something?
 
Lisa is a hypocrite. She also doesn't say nice stuff about people. And besides that, I really don't think David said something bad.
New least favourite housemate! Need to get the miserable bitch out..
 
I hAd a chuckle when Lisa stated words to the affect when she was talking to David about boobgate, that she does not surround herself with men like David...bit rich coming from an MC at a strip club...or should I say gentlemen's club lol ​
 
Sweetgeek said:
Tully annoyed me with her crying and self entitlement but I never thought she left out people. Even those she may not have gotten along with.
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I've grown to like Tully since the end of last season, but let's not forget she was the main instigator in that ridiculous mutiny plot against Tim last year that a lot of them joined into. When Lisa started going on with the the whole "not one of us" crap about Gemma it reminded me so much of what Tully was trying to do last season. I'm not surprised they're friends frankly.
 
Gemini said:
I've grown to like Tully since the end of last season, but let's not forget she was the main instigator in that ridiculous mutiny plot against Tim last year that a lot of them joined into. When Lisa started going on with the the whole "not one of us" crap about Gemma it reminded me so much of what Tully was trying to do last season. I'm not surprised they're friends frankly.
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They're friends? That makes everything so much clearer. Birds of a feather...
 
tanique said:
They're friends? That makes everything so much clearer. Birds of a feather...
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Yeah, apparently you have to know an ex-HM to be in the house this year.

I imagine their social circle would be quite insular and you'd have to be "up to standard" so to speak to be allowed in.


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Gemini said:
I've grown to like Tully since the end of last season, but let's not forget she was the main instigator in that ridiculous mutiny plot against Tim last year that a lot of them joined into. When Lisa started going on with the the whole "not one of us" crap about Gemma it reminded me so much of what Tully was trying to do last season. I'm not surprised they're friends frankly.
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I keep forgetting their friends. Yep, I totally see it. Good point too.
 
Gemini said:
Yeah, apparently you have to know an ex-HM to be in the house this year.

I imagine their social circle would be quite insular and you'd have to be "up to standard" so to speak to be allowed in. Unfortunately it's a vibe I've gotten from looking at Tully's SM posts of her friends and also her actions in the house and Lisa's this year.


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This gif should only be used for Lisa.

This is where I differentiate Tully from Lisa. Tully befriended other hms, like Ben. Who normally wouldn't fit in the cool kids category. She had a love ate relationship with the get go, but she attempted conversation with him. Lisa is choosing who will fit her standards and doesn't appear to make that same attempt and already is writing them off. I am actually really disgusted by what she said about Gemma. I don't think I have ever called a hm an outright bitch before. She really struck a nerve. I know Gemma does say a lot of things she probably shouldn't, but I don't think she would try and exclude anyone and try and put it on the group to mae it known that someone is not part of them. I don't like her.
 
Sweetgeek said:
This gif should only be used for Lisa.

This is where I differentiate Tully from Lisa. Tully befriended other hms, like Ben. Who normally wouldn't fit in the cool kids category. She had a love ate relationship with the get go, but she attempted conversation with him. Lisa is choosing who will fit her standards and doesn't appear to make that same attempt and already is writing them off. I am actually really disgusted by what she said about Gemma. I don't think I have ever called a hm an outright bitch before. She really struck a nerve. I know Gemma does say a lot of things she probably shouldn't, but I don't think she would try and exclude anyone and try and put it on the group to mae it known that someone is not part of them. I don't like her.
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THIS! x
 
Sweetgeek said:
This gif should only be used for Lisa.

This is where I differentiate Tully from Lisa. Tully befriended other hms, like Ben. Who normally wouldn't fit in the cool kids category. She had a love ate relationship with the get go, but she attempted conversation with him. Lisa is choosing who will fit her standards and doesn't appear to make that same attempt and already is writing them off. I am actually really disgusted by what she said about Gemma. I don't think I have ever called a hm an outright bitch before. She really struck a nerve. I know Gemma does say a lot of things she probably shouldn't, but I don't think she would try and exclude anyone and try and put it on the group to mae it known that someone is not part of them. I don't like her.
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I hated that. It reminded me a lot of Emma in 2007 who thought she was the leader of the 'cool' group or whatever.
Nobody appointed her leader..
 
Sweetgeek said:
This gif should only be used for Lisa.

This is where I differentiate Tully from Lisa. Tully befriended other hms, like Ben. Who normally wouldn't fit in the cool kids category. She had a love ate relationship with the get go, but she attempted conversation with him. Lisa is choosing who will fit her standards and doesn't appear to make that same attempt and already is writing them off. I am actually really disgusted by what she said about Gemma. I don't think I have ever called a hm an outright bitch before. She really struck a nerve. I know Gemma does say a lot of things she probably shouldn't, but I don't think she would try and exclude anyone and try and put it on the group to mae it known that someone is not part of them. I don't like her.
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I certainly agree with you about Lisa. Seems very close minded, entitled, and frankly bratty and it boggles the mind how someone could make it to 29 with that attitude. My theory is that she's probably gotten a free pass in life due to her looks and has probably surrounded herself with likeminded people that enable it. It's complete Mean Girls but we're taking about someone pretty much in their thirties here.

With Tully I'm still on the fence with this issue. She certainly displayed deliberate excluding ploys in the house (hence why I drew the comparison with Lisa) and the SM posts of her friends do give off a certain vibe IMO. I agree that Ben wouldn't fit into the cool kids category in real life, but the HMs did think he was popular on the outside so it's hard to tell with that one.

I do think deep down though Tully has a big heart and that's certainly not something I've seen from Lisa yet. I did think initially she did because of the way she cared for Skye when she was upset about Gemma, but the more that conversation went on the more apparent it was that she was just being condescending and really did think Skye was "simple" as well.
 
up_all_night said:
warning long going off topic rant here by my comments on this whole thing.

Sadly there is this phenom where the 'bad boy' sort of thing appears to be attractive. People want someone to take charge. Give them some orders. This is where selfish arseholes often come in. Or people buying into the bullshit someone sells of being cool and awesome, which can come from confidence.

In that pick up artist shit, there is stuff about you're more attractive if the girl feels she needs to win your approval. Confident, looking like you don't need them, everyone likes you blah blah apparent makes people more attractive.


People mistake the fact that because they are nice to someone, they will be nice to them. They are attracted and like the person happy and so then just do what ever that person wants. Where the happiness is based on the other person's happiness. The problem with that is, that other persons happiness isn't dependent on the happiness of the other so will often cheat and do all sorts of shit stuff. They are just about their happiness.

I would say in the house where people like Travis, he is seemingly a nice guy but about himself. Now some judging, but from hints of him always telling stories about there being chicks, his package about always bringing girls home and his mum doing everything for him and praising him. He's probably a guy that's view of woman is pleasing him. They're then happy because he is happy. He is happy because he gets what he wants.

People say people get over it, but they often don't. I look at mates of mine who were not great. I know people who were in toxic relationships for years. Bringing people back to their flat they shared with their girlfriend. While the girlfriend was there, she was crying in one room while he was banging the other in another. They're of course now happily married...

I know a guy who was a classic arrogant wanker, he never got laid in highschool, so in uni he turned into a major arsehole to girls. Good looking guy, smart, good job and all that. He'd literally be out in a club with his then adorable and lovely girlfriend, with out her knowing pick up a girl, leave, bang that girl and then come back. Now he's all Mr successful jet setting perfect guy. Where I am sure his wife thinks she got a good one. But he cheated on her a few months before the wedding. People don't change, if it's about them it always will be.


This will sound a lame thing to say, but I suffer from the nice guy thing. I'm easy going, I'm not a push over or anything at all. I am strong willed, but I'm just nice and easy going and like doing things to make the other person happy as much as my inherant selfishness allows lol. I can't remember who said it to me, but someone a few years back said there was no 'edge' to me or something. So maybe I am just a bit bitter, but I have always found it interesting. I always notice girls being treated badly by guys in ways I never would, and also strangely enough in ways where if I ever did that my exes would basically tell me to fuck off.

Which gets to the end, a lot of people end up with the wrong sort of people. I definitely think I end up with the wrong ladies for me. Which happens to a lot. It actually is quite hard to end up with the right people for you. I have dated some amazing girls who could have been, but things don't work out. Now it's like, I'm 30, where are all these girls that are meant to want nice guys now.. and they're still with arseholes.

It also is shocking, a long time good friend of mine had a 30th a month or so back and her boyfriend was there. This girl is so lovely, non judgmental, kind and sweet. Really top girl and quite pretty. Her boyfriend was some big overweight arsehole. I had met him before but I was just bemused by how that realtionship works.

Anyway I could continue going on but I wont.
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Mate, you're a mess. And you don't get it. In your fourth decade you'd want to figure it out quick!

First off - the "bad boy" thing. Women love a bad boy not because they're an arsehole per se. It's more the thrill of the occasional time he's nice to the girl. Got it?
Okay, I'll put it more simply. Dudes a fucken POS to everyone and anyone. Occasionally he flickers on the nice switch to the girl involved, and she flips. She's just done what everyone else can't! She's got the jerkoff / buttmunch / asshole to do what he never does - and be a nice normal human being! {Albeit briefly}.
The next challenge then becomes to keep the nice version around for the majority of the time. He doesn't - she redoubles her efforts. He flickers to nice briefly...this can go on for years.
Second off - "You date the wrong sort of girls for you". You mean you date a set of active and dormant personality problems and wonder why it doesn't work out right?
I think you imagine yourself as some sort of horse riding prince, scooping up women at a low personal and emotional ebb and being the knight in shining armour. Then after you've come to the rescue, and helped the girl realise what an amazing and unique person she is she should be grateful and want to spend the rest of her life with you right?
IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
If you want to help people out of the gutter - fine. You can be a good friend. A father figure. A mentor. A life coach. A big brother.
You're not boyfriend material! You're somebody who helped somebody out at a low point, and got them to the point they have recovered and can move on.
Hint - they're not going to move on with you!
When people help us when we're incapable of helping ourselves, we don't fall blindly in love! We feel grateful - and oh so embarassed for the mess we were in - and then we take our new selves and find an equal.
So thirdly mate - stop looking for fallen stars, or wondering how some sociopathic prick is never on his own. Do the things you enjoy, that make you happy, and that aren't destructive to your self or others. Go and be the best person you can be on your own, and you'll have an existence where you're happy, content and fufilled. You know what happens next? People see you as this content, happy person and realise you've got something going for you. You've got an existence that they like and would like to be a part of.
Better than that, they're not a set of active personality problems. They're someone who sees you loving what you do and doing what you love and want to be part of it. Not a fallen angel - an equal!
It's really not rocket science. Helping tragic cases, or trying to be something you're not has got you to where you are today. Do something different and make yourself happy. When you're happy the rest comes along with it.
Don't take my word for it. There's a couple of billion people who've done the same thing. This is the best advice you'll ever get mate. Hope you act on it before your fifth or sixth decade!
 
Gemini said:
I certainly agree with you about Lisa. Seems very close minded, entitled, and frankly bratty and it boggles the mind how someone could make it to 29 with that attitude. My theory is that she's probably gotten a free pass in life due to her looks and has probably surrounded herself with likeminded people that enable it. It's complete Mean Girls but we're taking about someone pretty much in their thirties here.

With Tully I'm still on the fence with this issue. She certainly displayed deliberate excluding ploys in the house (hence why I drew the comparison with Lisa) and the SM posts of her friends do give off a certain vibe IMO. I agree that Ben wouldn't fit into the cool kids category on the outside, but the HMs did think he was popular on the outside so it's hard to tell with that one.

I do think deep down though Tully has a big heart and that's certainly not something I've seen from Lisa yet. I did think initially she did because of the way she cared for Skye when she was upset about Gemma, but the more that conversation went on the more apparent it was that she was just being condescending and really did think Skye was "simple" as well.
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You have no idea how much I'm nodding to your post on a lot of the points made.

I'm on the fence with Tully too. I'm either swayed this way or that way with her, but like you said, overall I do think she has a big heart. Though I do remember they thought Ben would win this, so now I don't know what to make of my point to this (Thanks Gemini, you are making me argue against myself haha)

I really think if Skye wasn't her partner, Lisa probably would have cast her aside. But that's just my own thoughts and I have no proof to that at all.

Insomniac said:
I hated that. It reminded me a lot of Emma in 2007 who thought she was the leader of the 'cool' group or whatever.
Nobody appointed her leader..
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Yes! No one made them leaders, and the fact they think they appoint themselves one and select who shall be part of that annoys me to no end. And then to say it to another person so that they take the hint that they know who can be associated with really bothers me. It's actually childish
 
Gemini said:
With Tully I'm still on the fence with this issue. She certainly displayed deliberate excluding ploys in the house (hence why I drew the comparison with Lisa) and the SM posts of her friends do give off a certain vibe IMO. I agree that Ben wouldn't fit into the cool kids category in real life, but the HMs did think he was popular on the outside so it's hard to tell with that one.
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I'm with you on this one too. Tully didn't really wanna have a bar of Mikkayla from day dot and I'm not entirely sure it didn't have something to do with Tully concluding that Mik wasn't worth the effort in getting to know based on nothing more than superficial first impressions.

Eventually Tully was to proven to be 100% correct about Mikk (an annoying headcase) but for entirely different reasons she dismissed Mikk out of hand fairly early in the piece.
 
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