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Katie using the word "poof"

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Frankyfurt said:
Please please don't think I that actually think this is the same.

But my son and I have red hair.
The term ranga offends the fuck out of me.

Some guy on the bus the other day looked at my son as he was getting off the bus and says 'wow that's full on ranga isn't it'
And it upset me.

This is my son. Love him to bits and it upsets me that I know he will be teased and he's too young to even realise it yet

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So the point I'm making that while someone might not see it as offensive, it still is and can still hurt, especially if people have gone through their lives with it as a form of bullying and taunts .
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im like 6 pages late but WOW what gorgeous kids!! i had to say it :)
 
Connoisseur said:
Obviously it is not my place to tell anybody else what they should or shouldn't find offensive but I honestly had no idea the p word could still cause this much offense.

Nowadays the most common targets of the p word are straight guys, at least that's the impression I get anyway others could relate a different experience.
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OMFG Cannot believe that for once I actually agree with you Conn! You are so right, the P word is directed by straight guys towards straight guys for different acts of stupidity, it's not meant to be derogatory towards anyone.

Is it any different from wogs, poms, nigga, yanks, sceptic tanks, frogs, rangas, krauts, I-ties - shall I go on or we just making exception because it is alledgedly a *gay* slur.

Oh yeah did I mention I'm from a family of *poms*, was married to a *wog*, couple of my best workmates are *poofs*, I have a *ranga* friend who we call the ginja ninja, and my best friend at school was an I-tie .

While I am not saying what she said was right or wrong, sometimes it's how the word is used in context. Another instance is the word "bastard" - the true meaning is an illegitimate child but it's rarely used in this context and is instead used in an abusive way and doesn't ever garner a reaction like the word "poof" and if anything most would find bastard more offensive.
 
missingout said:
OMFG Cannot believe that for once I actually agree with you Conn! You are so right, the P word is directed by straight guys towards straight guys for different acts of stupidity, it's not meant to be derogatory towards anyone.
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Wrong.

Should I quote my post from earlier?

She's trying to reduce his masculinity by calling him gay.

Therefore being gay means being less of a person.

Homophobia.
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If it's so not a big deal then you would just accept that the P word is not cool for us gays, and resolve to not use it. Instead you spend a lot of energy trying to defend it. That's not an indication of acceptance.

And if you think the P is not-not cool. Then yeah, sorry, but you actually have no precedent to make that decision because you're not gay and you have no idea what it's like to be a gay person.
 
missingout said:
OMFG Cannot believe that for once I actually agree with you Conn! You are so right, the P word is directed by straight guys towards straight guys for different acts of stupidity, it's not meant to be derogatory towards anyone.

Is it any different from wogs, poms, nigga, yanks, sceptic tanks, frogs, rangas, krauts, I-ties - shall I go on or we just making exception because it is alledgedly a *gay* slur.

Oh yeah did I mention I'm from a family of *poms*, was married to a *wog*, couple of my best workmates are *poofs*, I have a *ranga* friend who we call the ginja ninja, and my best friend at school was an I-tie .

While I am not saying what she said was right or wrong, sometimes it's how the word is used in context. Another instance is the word "bastard" - the true meaning is an illegitimate child but it's rarely used in this context and is instead used in an abusive way and doesn't ever garner a reaction like the word "poof" and if anything most would find bastard more offensive.
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But it's not used for an act of stupidity...it is used to make them seem less manly in their actions...as in you ride a poofy scooter isn't meaning it is a act of stupidity to ride a scooter (adding here that I think riding a scooter in Perth is a very foolhardy act indeed) it means it is unmanly. Calling someone a poof is using the word to belittle them by questioning their manliness NOT calling them stupid.
 
You are right I have no idea what it's like to be gay or to be ridiculed however the friends I have in the gay community have no qualms about quoting 'poof doof' when they are heading for a night out or stirring each other up using this word.

It's not a word I use but generally what I was saying in the words that I used is that other communities and people have names thrown at them all the time and don't take as much offence to words as some members of the gay community do.

If you were to hang out with some tradies for a few days you would see that when they say this to each other it's not meant to be offensive it's more aligned with calling each other dickheads.

I'm sorry that you can't look at this from another point of view.
 
missingout said:
Is it any different from wogs, poms, nigga, yanks, sceptic tanks, frogs, rangas, krauts, I-ties - shall I go on or we just making exception because it is alledgedly a *gay* slur.

Oh yeah did I mention I'm from a family of *poms*, was married to a *wog*, couple of my best workmates are *poofs*, I have a *ranga* friend who we call the ginja ninja, and my best friend at school was an I-tie .

While I am not saying what she said was right or wrong, sometimes it's how the word is used in context. Another instance is the word "bastard" - the true meaning is an illegitimate child but it's rarely used in this context and is instead used in an abusive way and doesn't ever garner a reaction like the word "poof" and if anything most would find bastard more offensive.
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No, it's not any different . Because they are offensive.
Are you saying the word nigga is not offensive?

My husband chased someone down the street with a hammer because they called him a 'pommy cunt' he's English. And yes, he gets called that all the time here in Aus.

Just because you are not offended by these words, people that have to live with being taunted with them do
 
missingout said:
While I am not saying what she said was right or wrong, sometimes it's how the word is used in context. .
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In context though she wasn't saying it to a friend. She chose to go in the big brother house and put herself on TV and is now being disrespectful to the very media and fame she craved... she should lap it up while you can cos it won't last long.
 
missingout said:
You are right I have no idea what it's like to be gay or to be ridiculed however the friends I have in the gay community have no qualms about quoting 'poof doof' when they are heading for a night out or stirring each other up using this word.

It's not a word I use but generally what I was saying in the words that I used is that other communities and people have names thrown at them all the time and don't take as much offence to words as some members of the gay community do.

If you were to hang out with some tradies for a few days you would see that when they say this to each other it's not meant to be offensive it's more aligned with calling each other dickheads.

I'm sorry that you can't look at this from another point of view.
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I can see your point of view and your point of view is a contradiction.

I live in Melbourne, I've been to Poof Doof many times.

But it is one thing for gays to own the word 'poof' and use it in an ownership way, but it's another for straight people to use it in a derogatory way.

Katie used it in a derogatory way and so do your tradie friends. That is not acceptable.

It's the same as how black people have reclaimed the word "nigger". Black people are allowed to use that word because they're taking it back. Straight people are no longer allowed to use the word poof.

Call it PC gone crazy, but that's the way it is and you have to deal with it.

Katie and your tradie friends are using the word poof in a derogatory way and that is not acceptable.

You say you don't have any idea of how it is to be gay and to be ridiculed. Well let me spell it out for you - when you use the word "poof" to make fun of some one, you're ridiculing gay people
 
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