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Yeah I actually agree. Ignoring any equality side to things I can't say marriage has ever been a priority of mine, no problem with those that do want to of course but if you're not religious and already live together then it quickly becomes a bit redundant, especially if you don't want to have kids. I have some friends - straight friends - who have opted for a civil union as oppose to marriage as they don't believe in the construct of the latter but still want to pledge their commitment. It works for them but I'm sure it's way too radical for most. I guess the difference is, like any straight couple who chooses not to marry, they have the choice and can change their status at any time.
 
jessy_girl said:
Bad news @Connoisseur... we now have a PM and an opposition leader who support marriage equality. Maybe Australia will come out of the dark ages!
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In my defense I've never said I was against same sex marriage. :angelic: But I think it would be best for the time being to steer away from terms that have for the past few centuries being associated with religion to speed up change in that area. In time I think the term 'marriage' will be informally used to refer to all types (lesbians, gay, straight) of relationships anyway. To me quibbling over a word that's acting as a stumbling block to something that homosexuals desperately want is sort of like punching your nose to spite your face situation.
 
Oh hai again @Connoisseur.
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Right, so you may have a point in saying that de facto couples and therefore same-sex couples have most of the same rights as married couples, bar the big one of actually getting married, but the debate isn't so much about demanding the same 'rights' as hetros as demanding the same 'recognition'.

The reality is that marriage as a construct exists and so long as the government issues a piece of paper that says you're married thereby 'elevating' your relationship as something more than a de facto relationship it's definition and application is of great public importance. Whether you personally agree that this status is better or more important is irrelevant because the government by issuing these certificates gives the impression it is. It's this impression, this acknowledgement, that marriage equality advocates are seeking not just the rights of marriage.

As for your argument that it'd be easier/quicker/more palatable to call same-sex marriage something else is frankly offensive. It evokes a whole separate but equal situation which is just wrong and still gives the impression that one is better than the other which achieves absolutely nothing because nothing will have changed. You practically said it yourself that religious organisations do not own marriage. Marriage existed long before some religious were even formed and marriage has certainly not been their exclusive domain in Australia since 1973 when the first civil celebrant Lois D'Arcy was registered. With her appointment a new 'type' of marriage came into being in Australia, that of civil marriage. So there already exists a 'new' word for, or subsection of, marriage - civil marriage and religious marriage. We don't need another one. You said it yourself that most people will still call it marriage so why the hell implement such an idiotic half measure.

As for your laughable offhanded comment about forcing religious organisations to perform same-sex marriages I know that must have been a joke because you'd be hard pressed to find anyone of sound mind who is actually arguing for such a thing.
 
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I thought I made it clear in my previous post that IMO both straight and gay couples should fall under the same umbrella term (whatever is agreed upon) when they want their relationship to receive legal recognition. That would immediately remove any grounds for protest/complaint from religious folk and as a result quicken the process. :)
 
I think Mum and Dad got married at a Court House in 1957 - even though Dad was religious. I think a lot of people got hitched that way.

Maybe 'Getting Hitched Up" would be a good new name of a Union between 2 persons?

Been married in a Church - Been Married in a Civil Ceremony. Both get the same Certificate and the same way to Divorce .......
 
reepbot said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34264624

I wonder if it will be used as intended? I highly doubt it.

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I'm not entirely sure but I'm pretty certain I frequented a forum a few years ago that momentarily had a disliking feature and posters wore the number of dislikes a post of theirs got as badge of honour, especially given from whom the dislikes came from. haha :D

All it does is re-affirm who belongs to what particular clique.

On a related note Daily Mail articles have something similar in arrow up/down votes.
 
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Connoisseur said:
I'm not entirely sure but I'm pretty certain I frequented a forum a few years ago that momentarily had a disliking feature and posters wore the number of dislikes a post of theirs got as badge of honour, especially given from whom the dislikes came from. haha :D

All it does is re-affirm who belongs to what particular clique.

On a related note Daily Mail articles have something similar in thumb up/down votes.
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That makes sense. I know i would wear a dislike with honour if that sort of thing was ever implemented here.

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The sad thing is there was a nick show called 'The Amanda Show' that had Amanda Bynes in it, she was fully as hell.
Sad that she's pretty much nuts now...those nick/disney kids...
 
sorceress86 said:
Did anyone see this?

I loved the 90s cartoons, even though I couldn't watch Catdog because it didn't make logical sense to me (yes even as a kid!).
http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...-of-90s-cartoons/story-fnjwnhzf-1227528097237
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I was the same with catdog, I just couldn't get into it because it was just way too dumb for me to even entertain the thought.

Sweetgeek said:
I wonder if they still show daria
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They were showing it most afternoons on mtv earlier in the year, not anymore though I don't think. I was obsessed, I had every ep on my laptop around 10 years ago and I literally watched it almost every single night.
 
Andrew Hastie has won Canning, with a margin of about 6%:

ABC analyst Antony Green said he was confident of a Liberal victory with about 65 per cent of the vote now counted.

Green said Mr Hastie's winning margin was likely to be about 6 per cent, down from the 11.8 per cent margin commanded by Mr Randall.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-19/andrew-hastie-wins-canning-by-election/6789334

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-18126-236.htm

It will be interesting to see the difference between pre-poll votes and votes cast on polling day for this one.
 
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