Housemate #5 TULLY!

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ok, i'll join the minority and agree with [MENTION=33255]Yumq[/MENTION]. [MENTION=34897]teamtully[/MENTION] did more self-service than tully-service in her post. i do hope her friends and family are there to support her and help her (especially help her change) when she comes out, so kudos to that sentiment. but she largely confirmed tully's specific bad behaviour, where I think silence on those points would have been the better "friend" move.

Some additional points

- i totally agree with the sentiment that the events are all on tully and drew. blaming others is a cop out

- whilst I appreciate dealing with the nastiness that might have come her way, the reality is that when you put yourself out in the public, such as running a twitter feed for a reality show contestant, you are setting yourself up for it. if it gets too nasty for you to handle (or too nasty for anyone to handle), the right thing to do is shut it down. a kid that suffers bullying online without the tools or experience to deal with it is a shame - an adult who sets themselves up for it has to know when to walk away. you've done the right thing, but I refuse to feed a "woe is me" call for sympathy on the matter.

- I can't imagine they would have informed the family and tahlia of whatever happened if they weren't going to show it at some point. so i expect we'll find out eventually. if not at eviction monday, perhaps at late night tuesday.

 

[chads]

it's not a work place, you can't drink, pash, play games etc in your work place either. But yes they do sign a contract and i bet BB isn't liable for anything. Any way, they all have issues and so does everyone, what do you expect bb to do, pull her from the house because she cheated, or because she always cries, or because she owns drew? I'm sure if her family thought she was going nuts they would yank her from the house. She is fine when things are going her way, she behaves badly when they don't...she melts down then gets over it. What happens when she gets out is their business and none of ours.

Of course it is a workplace (in front of law). Soccer players play at their work. Actors drink, use drugs (lol) and act. Employers arrange parties all the time where there is alcohol available. BB could have talked with Tully and question what she's doing, separate them from sleeping in the same bed, they have lots of options but they of course chose the one which will give them the most money. Are you sure the family can "yank her from the house" even if they wanted?

 

[Oceanblue222]

Sorry, but I feel like this is a bit of a high school response. In what I believe to be healthy, adult relationships, people do not need to defend every action taken by their friends despite completely disagreeing with them. Its ok to voice disapproval and disappointment; it doesn't mean you aren't friends, it just means you're being real. And to be honest, someone needs to be real with Tully or she will carry on thinking her behaviour is perfectly acceptable!

Well said. Just like the idea that you should unconditionally love your partner or else your not really in love.

 

[Mrs Butterface]

BB could have talked with Tully and question what she's doing, separate them from sleeping in the same bed, they have lots of options but they of course chose the one which will give them the most money.

Wouldn't doing the things you suggested defeat the whole purpose of BB though? It's supposed to be an environment with no interference or influence from the outside world so for the producers to separate them or attempt to manipulate naturally occurring events would be the complete antithesis of what the show is about.

 

[Sweet_Geek]

Of course it is a workplace (in front of law). Soccer players play at their work. Actors drink, use drugs (lol) and act. Employers arrange parties all the time where there is alcohol available. BB could have talked with Tully and question what she's doing, separate them from sleeping in the same bed, they have lots of options but they of course chose the one which will give them the most money. Are you sure the family can "yank her from the house" even if they wanted?

Bb show is an entertainment show, not a counselling show where they guide people's behaviour.

 

[crimmy]

She's saying exactly what many of us have been saying for quite awhile now on the forum. In fact myself and several others tweeted Alex telling him the same thing. But we were told by diehard Tully fans that she's fine, no one has done anything wrong and the situation with her and Drew was completely innocent. And this was AFTER Tahlia broke up with her. If all those supposed fans of Tully really gave a crap about her they would've stopped voting and let her get the support she needs in the real world instead of prolonging this for their own selfish enjoyment. She has no hope of winning the show so each week they keep her in the house each week they're preventing her from getting real support from family and friends. But yeah, those fans love her so much. As if.

I'm sorry but I dont see her as needing professional help and I don't think she needs to be diagnosed (by us sitting out here being strung along with dribs & drabs of information and never the whole/full story) as needing it ...

I'd be more worried for her mental health if she wasn't expressing all these emotions ... it seems to me anyone who has talked about being her friend outside of the house has accepted her emotional ups/downs as being part and parcel of the Tully they know & love ...

We might think its over the top - but if its how she's been before going into the house - nothing has changed in that respect ... its just being amplified by our not liking a situation developing which WE have no control over and which at times we've believed has been contrived by some of the clips and updates ... the "hype" ... and then for the true believers to have to come to the realisation that what they hoped was NOT true was in fact playing out ... its disappointing ... but who hasn't been disappointed in each and every housemate over their time in the house for some reason. (Not diminishing the reason for Tully doing so in the slightest ... just saying they don't walk on water - every single one of them is human)

the reason I'd like to see Tully stay in the house for as long as possible is because I want to delay the inevitable car crash that awaits her - not from her friends and ex ... but from people who are sitting in judgement looking into the goldfish bowl which is BB. It really concerns me that the crowd will be hostile towards her and she'll be thrown into that immediately with no real expectation of that awaiting her ... she'll be upset about the goodbyes, then excited about the eviction interview & crown and then WHAMMO - instant hostility and hatred from the crowd? THAT worries me ... who COULD deal with that?

I feel pretty safe in thinking she'll definitely (and quite rightly) be concerned & apprehensive about how her ex, her family & her friends will feel towards her when she comes out but she won't be expecting it from everyone else - I don't think even though she's been a huge fan of the BB franchise and thought she knew what to expect etc that anyone ever really understands what its like and what it does to you as a person until you are in there experiencing it for yourself

 

[:pp]

I think Ch 9 are going to show it, or at least a cleaned up version of it, and that's why they gave the family the heads up so they can make an informed choice as to who is going to sit in the audience on Monday and that person isn't blindsided.

Kiddie hour. PG.

Would only screen shag segment on MA rating, e.g. LNF sooooo could be screened if she's not evicted Monday.

 

[crimmy]

Wouldn't doing the things you suggested defeat the whole purpose of BB though? It's supposed to be an environment with no interference or influence from the outside world so for the producers to separate them or attempt to manipulate naturally occurring events would be the complete antithesis of what the show is about.

exactly - if BB started manipulating like that what would we watching but a contrived soap opera/drama ... ok if the puppetmaster is on the inside and working blind like everyone else and just hoping their tactics will work (as you listening TIM? lol) but for BB to be deciding what scenarios are ok and what aren't ... no thanks

 

[Mrs Butterface]

[MENTION=34950]crimmy[/MENTION] I didn't say she required psych help. I said "real support from her family and friends".

 

[libliblibby]

Of course it is a workplace (in front of law). Soccer players play at their work. Actors drink, use drugs (lol) and act. Employers arrange parties all the time where there is alcohol available. BB could have talked with Tully and question what she's doing, separate them from sleeping in the same bed, they have lots of options but they of course chose the one which will give them the most money. Are you sure the family can "yank her from the house" even if they wanted?

Just my own thoughts here, no basis in reality at all, but I reckon each of the housemates signed a very carefully worded contract before entering the competition and I reckon that in that carefully worded contract, it will clearly state that they are contestants rather than employees, and any income awarded during the stay in the BB house would be a stipend rather than a wage. I have no doubt that after all these years of BB being on TV that the people behind the production of BB and Channel 9 are fully protected by some kind of legally binding contract.

 

[crimmy]

Well said. Just like the idea that you should unconditionally love your partner or else your not really in love.

but everyone enters into relationships & marriages believing that ... some work out, and sadly some don't ...

 

[crimmy]

[MENTION=34950]crimmy[/MENTION] I didn't say she required psych help. I said "real support from her family and friends".

you didn't but others have ... I should have worded it better to make it clear that it wasn't what YOU said though - my apologies

 

[chads]

Wouldn't doing the things you suggested defeat the whole purpose of BB though? It's supposed to be an environment with no interference or influence from the outside world so for the producers to separate them or attempt to manipulate naturally occurring events would be the complete antithesis of what the show is about.

Bb show is an entertainment show, not a counselling show where they guide people's behaviour.

Of course they would not air it...

If they don't counsel their behavior I guess it's ok to do anything they want then? They can't wear sunglasses for example. Isn't that counseling? They are not allowed to practice physical violence, that is counseling too. I think the real question is where do we draw the line. Infidelity is emotional abuse.

To all who say they can't do anything about it. If two people were practicing infidelity in my house I sure would interfere and stop them.

 

[hawke]

I can understand if BB tells her Father, but what has it got to do with Tahlia anymore, according to her she is done and dusted with the relationship.

 

[Yumq]

Of course it is a workplace (in front of law). Soccer players play at their work. Actors drink, use drugs (lol) and act. Employers arrange parties all the time where there is alcohol available.

I agree with this. BB absolutely has a duty of care towards all housemates, and if I remember correctly, all HMs receive a weekly pay for their time in the house. In the same way that a doctor would be on hand for any medical emergencies, in the event of a HM suffering adversely from stress or having a breakdown, similar levels of care would be provided and an intervention staged if necessary. Not that I think that's what is happening with Tully, though.

 

[chads]

exactly - if BB started manipulating like that what would we watching but a contrived soap opera/drama ... ok if the puppetmaster is on the inside and working blind like everyone else and just hoping their tactics will work (as you listening TIM? lol) but for BB to be deciding what scenarios are ok and what aren't ... no thanks

They are manipulating you every minute you watch BB. You aren't really this naive, are you?

 

[Fran]

I'm sorry but I dont see her as needing professional help and I don't think she needs to be diagnosed (by us sitting out here being strung along with dribs & drabs of information and never the whole/full story) as needing it ...

So true. We're an audience to a show, nothing more and nothing less. The housemates are living in a altered reality and some of the things they do, we can pick apart - but we need to sit back and take a chill pill and remember our place in this. Right or wrong, we don't actually have any say on the BB housemate's lives. Tully has some stuff to work on in herself and maybe she will, maybe she won't - actually not our business. Lots of them do, lots of us do. It's the human condition.


*This isn't coming from a Tully fan btw, until recently I still held out hope for Drade, lol. It's just about us taking a reality check as to our (audience) responsibilty with regard what's been going on and various aspects of people's personalities.

 

[Mrs Butterface]

you didn't but others have ... I should have worded it better to make it clear that it wasn't what YOU said though - my apologies

Nah, it's all good! A few weeks back I definitely did think she could use the help of the house psych when she was going into fullblown meltdown and also lashing out at Drew. But I trust Goon and Alex when they say all of the HMs are being closely monitored at all times by 3 producers dedicated to solely watching for any potential psych problems as well as the BB psych. Her friends are obviously shocked by what they're watching and have said they have no clue where this behaviour is coming from but they've also said she's "emotional" for better or worse so it makes sense those traits have become amplified in the house. I do however strongly think her staying in there isn't doing her any favours because as [MENTION=34613]Tuxie[/MENTION] said, the longer she stays the worse she's making it for herself and it's just delaying what she has to inevitably face on the outside. But I don't believe she should be pulled out or the situation tampered with at all.

 

[Mrs Butterface]

I can understand if BB tells her Father, but what has it got to do with Tahlia anymore, according to her she is done and dusted with the relationship.

I had assumed they told her best friend who has been showing up to each eviction night and gave her the heads up so she could make the decision to attend or not.

 

[Sweet_Geek]

Of course they would not air it...

If they don't counsel their behavior I guess it's ok to do anything they want then? They can't wear sunglasses for example. Isn't that counseling? They are not allowed to practice physical violence, that is counseling too. I think the real question is where do we draw the line. Infidelity is emotional abuse.

To all who say they can't do anything about it. If two people were practicing infidelity in my house I sure would interfere and stop them.

They are very different examples. Violence is not going to be tolerated simply because it harms another contestant. Therefore if that happened they would instantly be removed from the home. Tully and Drewb are not hurting anyone within the house and that's why there is no intervention or interference. It's like being at work, they don't care about personal problems, the team is there if they want help