Duty of Care Failure? Concerns Over BB Management of Housemate Conflict & Discrimination and Authority.

Lightning McQueen said:
Some of my brain cells died reading that.
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You had some to begin with?
dasnico said:
No one is writing a manifesto of complaints.
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OP certain did, it's a fucking novella of complaints and unfounded accusations.
dasnico said:
You’re on here saying you’re okay with this updated “OG format.”
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I never said that. I've been quite clear that there's room for improvement. But I'm also not ignorant as to how 2020's TV works.
bradnak said:
Back then, if something happened bad or out of the ordinary, they'd find a way to include it narratively.
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If they chose to. To suggest that everything "bad" or "out of the ordinary" made it to air - especially within a 30 minute format, is presumptuous if not entirely wrong. We didn't see everything - we saw what the editors felt compelled to show - that's what is being overlooked.
Cadbury said:
Why does the real world have to be "soap opera-fied" to satiate braindead viewers?
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Because that's what the wider audience respond to, especially in the day of social media fuelled brain rot.
the Theorist said:
That was drilled in to the BBAU audience for years and it was executed more than perfectly for many seasons.
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And that was 2000's television. Jump forward 20 years, a lot has changed.
Tim said:
BBUK shows that punishing the housemates can be an entertaining plot line.
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Only when it adds value to the edit. Such a simple concept that is so easily lost on people who confuse their own tastes as the common majority's. Cause like it or not, this show is not about you.
 
imsocold said:
I never said that. I've been quite clear that there's room for improvement. But I'm also not ignorant as to how 2020's TV works.

Because that's what the wider audience respond to, especially in the day of social media fuelled brain rot.

And that was 2000's television. Jump forward 20 years, a lot has changed.
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When TV channels air game shows these days, it’s usually quiz shows. People love The Chase, it’s a success around the world.

Why hasn’t 10 or Endemol responded to this clear trend and change in television and added a round to Deal or no Deal where you only advance in the game if you manage to beat the banker in a multiple choice quiz round?

The answer is obvious: Because Deal or no Deal is not quiz show. Its whole point is that you don’t have to have a huge knowledge to win big. And if you wanted to have a quiz, you’d just commission and produce a quiz.


It’s the same with Big Brother. It is its own show. It works differently from Love Island, The Bachelor, MAFS or many other shows that fall into the reality genre.


I’m also not buying the “Generation TikTok” thing. Yes, lots of crap on social media. But social media also brought us "real life streamers" that provide unedited and unfiltered content. And it brought us podcasts that proof that people are listening to interesting conversations and not just mindless screaming, bitching and jealousy.

Big Brother would have never made it to air if people believed that you can only do shows that build on stuff that’s already there. Nobody would have watched the show if it was true that you can't do things differently from other broadcasters.
 
kamui said:
Because Deal or no Deal is not quiz show. Its whole point is that you don’t have to have a huge knowledge to win big
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Actually, the original weekly format of Deal or No Deal featured a series of preliminary general knowledge quizzes to determine who would play the briefcase game. The reason they were eventually scrapped, though, is that they were long and tedious.
 
bradnak said:
Actually, the original weekly format of Deal or No Deal featured a series of preliminary general knowledge quizzes to determine who would play the briefcase game.
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I wasn’t aware that Australia has kept the quiz round from the Dutch version. In that regards, it was probably not the best example.

But in some regards it might be. The reason why the Dutch version (and the Australian one) had the quiz round is that it was originally a German quiz show with the final round being a bit more Millionaire-like with the contestant climbing up a money tree.

The Dutch people adapted this show, but from the second season onwards replaced the final part with the briefcases. Probably because they’ve realised that doing a Millionaire-copy is not the most exciting thing.
 
imsocold said:
You had some to begin with?

OP certain did, it's a fucking novella of complaints and unfounded accusations.
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Sorry, why are you taking people’s criticism on the way the show is being produced so personally?
Considering you joined October 4th and all you have done since is basically pick fights with people, I’m confused why you can’t be a civil person and stop making personal attacks?

We are here to have a discussion and frankly if you disagree that’s fine, but this is the 3rd post you’ve made targeting me because I have opinions. If you’ve got nothing nice to say, please button it up.
 
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matts bb said:
Sorry, why are you taking people’s criticism on the way the show is being produced so personally?
Considering you joined October 4th and all you have done since is basically pick fights with people, I’m confused why you can’t be a civil person and stop making personal attacks?

We are here to have a discussion and frankly if you disagree that’s fine, but this is the 3rd post you’ve made targeting me because I have opinions. If you’ve got nothing nice to say, please button it up.
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You know what a good discussion includes? Discourse. Room for dissent. Don't put your opinions out there if you're not willing for them to be critiqued. You haven't been "targeted", you are not a victim.

Your tenure on the forum doesn't give you any kind of seniority or authority over opinion. Funnily enough, since you want to try and make that point, I've been a member of the board since 2004 (I joined during the peak MLS scandal) - this just happens to be a new account because I couldn't retrieve the old one.

Make no mistake, none of this is personal on my part. And I will continue to call out sanctimonious ranting where I feel compelled to, especially if it's passed as having some kind of merit or intelligence to it.
 
imsocold said:
You know what a good discussion includes? Discourse. Room for dissent. Don't put your opinions out there if you're not willing for them to be critiqued. You haven't been "targeted", you are not a victim.

Your tenure on the forum doesn't give you any kind of seniority or authority over opinion. Funnily enough, since you want to try and make that point, I've been a member of the board since 2004 (I joined during the peak MLS scandal) - this just happens to be a new account because I couldn't retrieve the old one.

Make no mistake, none of this is personal on my part. And I will continue to call out sanctimonious ranting where I feel compelled to, especially if it's passed as having some kind of merit or intelligence to it.
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I’m more than fine for people to critique my opinions even if that persons critique appears to be in the minority.
But your general temperament on the forum the last week has been one of making personal insults or quips about people’s intelligence. I’m no victim, what I am is calling you out on the way you’re behaving.
The way you’re acting is louder than the words you speak.
 
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Brekkie said:
Let's chill guys otherwise I'll have to pack you both off to the diary room for Big Brother to tell you what a valued human being you are.
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Hah this made me giggle. Big love to you Big Brekkie!

On topic I am glad to read tonight that it appears some of what is raised at the start of this thread has been addressed and acted upon by producers and even shown in some of tonight’s daily show. I think the fact production are listening to feedback on the series is one of the major benefits of the original format being live.

I hope that it is the start of continual tweaking, and more importantly enforcement of rules and BB being more authoritative and that the viewer who tunes into the episodes witness this.
 
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Messing with someone’s toothbrush should have been an automatic strike.

They’re also constantly talking about nominations and theorising on the way people are coming across on the outside etc, that all would have been immediately interrupted and stopped in the classic era. They’re basically just doing whatever the fuck they want.
 
something really getting on my tits is the housemates disrespecting big brother and talking over him. whenever he’s talking there’s always someone having a conversation whispering, or people are just having conversations, yelling over him. i’ve had placement in primary schools and this gives me traumatic flashbacks. the housemates are acting like children.

as mentioned above, housemates have basically insinuated who they have or haven’t nominated on several occasions, to the point where if i collected a dollar each time, i could stop working.

housemates are also talking about what they’d do with the prize money which has always been a big no no as that could heavily influence nominations.

it doesn’t look like much is being done about these, but then again we don’t see everything so maybe things are.
 
potentiallybray said:
"Listen mate.... if you're gonna tell me when I have worked on a show for 6 years, that we have edited something and it has not been edited, I'd like to know who told you that."
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I still get the biggest whiplash from "I am very offended when people say we edit material... obviously we edit, we can't show 24 hours a day, 24 hours a day..." 😅

DigitalCorp said:
Questions:
1. Would Leon do any better if he was head BB?
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Probably? I recently rewatched BB2013 and it was easy to think of Leon and the deputies as "the same" – but the more I think about it, the more I think Pete was always the softer, more playful of the three voices. In terms of joining in with the HMs' word association games, saying goodnight back when the HMs said it, doing announcements addressing Mr Clooney, etc.

Leon could do both, but was more "balanced" overall. Plus his voice has a bit more weight in general.

Funnily enough, my favourite Pete moment was a grumpy, "authoritative" one, so we know he can do it when he needs to. 🤔 But I can't help thinking it'll be allowed to keep slipping until no one respects him, though, and then it'll be impossible to claw back.
 
DigitalCorp said:
Questions:
1. Would Leon do any better if he was head BB?
2. Is this a Big Brother problem or a production problem?
2b. If it is a production problem, does it lie with Banijay or with Ten? I would presume that there is a Channel 10 Broadcast Standards and Practices department that might need to be held accountable.
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1. Yes I think Leon would be much better but personally I wouldn’t want Leon back either
2. Bit of both
2b. Not sure
 
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