Episode Day 8 (15/09/2014): Monday Night Live #1

Well I read your comment as making a connection between David commenting on Lisa's breasts to him being an abuser. Which seemed like an outrageous leap to me.

I've read through your comments to try and understand what you're saying and I'm just not sure I'm getting it. Are you saying commenting about someone's breasts is sexist or am I over simplifying things?

Making one comment may or may not be sexist, but the male culture that simplifies women in terms of their beauty is harsher and more critical than the kind of discussions women may have about men. I'm saying that socially ingrained judgements of women's beauty is detrimental to their self-worth, so it's important to encourage people to be sensitive around that and not purport the idea that it's 'normal' and 'fair' for women in to judged in that way, when men don't experience that kind of scrutiny on that systemic, day-to-day basis. Saying 'boys will be boys' doesn't help gender equality at all.
 
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Sorry if this has been covered/asked, i haven't had a chance to read back yet, but a few things..
- Firstly, was Sunday nights episode 'live' or would it have happened on Friday night so it could be edited? Because then they only went about 5 days without food, not a week like they keep crapping on about.

- Jason and Dion didn't make a very good decision by also splitting Cat and Sam. Sam and Ryan will be just as strong as Travis and Ryan would have been. Also I think Cat has a competitive streak. Either way, I don't think Dion and Jason will be winning the money...

- I found last night's episode atrocious. They dragged it out for so damn long. I usually like a live audience but it seemed unnecessary. And it pissed me off that they kept recapping stuff. We've seen it all! Why waste the very little time we see on showing us shit we've already seen! And Sonia.. oh dear Sonia, you're never going to get any better at being more natural are you?

- Lisa manages a strip club, right? But can't deal with a comment about boobs. Does she think her customers sit there getting lap dances and seeing naked woman hump poles while thinking about rainbows and puppy dogs? She's a joke.
 
We live in a world that systematically disadvantages women. Even if you think both genders are often subjected to body image pressures, I will strongly argue that the social expectations for women to care for their appearance is much greater. Women are often judged on their physical appearance as a form of self-worth and social currency, and often relegated to a monetary prize for men to acquire. So when we don't acknowledge this male culture of scrutinising female beauty on beauty alone, we are perpetuating a society that allows women to be vulnerable in terms of having self-worth, self-esteem and the agency to live a life without the limitations that they have as a gender.

There's a recent study that says once women pass the age of 20-22, they become exponentially less desirable in the eyes of men. Women's lives are already limited by gross breaches of human rights across the world, staggering income disparities, lesser likelihood of holding higher job positions, societal sexism, lesser influence in sex-hierarchial families, widespread abuse and violence, female health issues, pregnancy-related issues, body expectations that have lead many women to seek cosmetic surgery etc. And when we continue to make it hard for women to be safe, to be comfortable with being themselves and have opportunities, we are forcing them to make poor life decisions that continue the cycle of female oppression.

Don't make it out like Lisa was overreacting. Her chat with David was honest and reflective of how society treats women.

As someone whom works in the area of Eating Disorders, thank's for this. Kudos! 👍
 
So, I'm confused about the eviction process from what was said last night. Is it that the public spends their money to vote to save a pair, but the HMs then choose which of the two members of the pair with the lowest save votes will be evicted? So the choice of evictee is actually with the HMs and not the public?
 
So, I'm confused about the eviction process from what was said last night. Is it that the public spends their money to vote to save a pair, but the HMs then choose which of the two members of the pair with the lowest save votes will be evicted? So the choice of evictee is actually with the HMs and not the public?
Public gets to choose the final 2 (the pair), which yes, the HM's will then choose who to evict.
 
Public gets to choose the final 2 (the pair), which yes, the HM's will then choose who to evict.

They will choose face to face.

I so hope they make them write the names down on white boards first.

So they can't weasel and change their votes if they see they're the only one that was going to vote to evict someone.
 
Making one comment may or may not be sexist, but the male culture that simplifies women in terms of their beauty is harsher and more critical than the kind of discussions women may have about men. I'm saying that socially ingrained judgements of women's beauty is detrimental to their self-worth, so it's important to encourage people to be sensitive around that and not purport the idea that it's 'normal' and 'fair' for women in to judged in that way, when men don't experience that kind of scrutiny on that systemic, day-to-day basis. Saying 'boys will be boys' doesn't help gender equality at all.
There is a culture where some men think and say
Yeah, this is bullshit and if you genuinely believe it you need to do some serious reading, because you're not just displaying a lack of understanding in regards to sexism and misogyny, you're also showing a lack of understanding in regards to any kind of oppression or human rights issues.
Oh yeah cause kim kardashian has been such a boon to your cause. Skye is the paramount of self respect in women and striving for gender equality. Take some responsibly for your own problems. Why don't you start celebrating female scientists, why do you always get sucked into who new weekly say you should love. Oh look the new dolce gabana sunglasses are half price.
 
Can't see the sense in any of this from a business perspective. Not only will the pairs theoretically reduce the number of votes cast, but the end result not being chosen by viewers makes them even more unlikely to be vote. There's a reason shows don't have two hosts - you have to warm to both of them to generally connect to the show. It's much easier to build a relationship with just one. The same applies to the votes. Cat's my favourite, but I'm certainly not voting to keep Travis in the house. This especially applies when I know that it's ultimately not my say at all.
 
There is a culture where some men think and say

Oh yeah cause kim kardashian has been such a boon to your cause. Skye is the paramount of self respect in women and striving for gender equality. Take some responsibly for your own problems. Why don't you start celebrating female scientists, why do you always get sucked into who new weekly say you should love. Oh look the new dolce gabana sunglasses are half price.

Wait, so sexism is partially caused by women not 'respecting' themselves?! Oh, darn those oppressed women oppressing themselves! You need to read more on feminism and gender equality...
 
I believe in the tree house and Gemma's response to the reaction of Skye's of the wading pool comment but you might be right Lisa had another on about oblivious which I can't remember where she got the word mixed up
 
I'm honestly just watching this show now because I love these forums.

- 4 mins of segment to 3 mins of ad break is unacceptable.
- setting up meatheads as the "strong players" in the game *every damn year* is getting really old. take a hint, ch9, we're all way more interested in actual personality.
- no live feed, really? what the fuck is the point of this show if it's not live?
- 15 mins of footage of the housemates interacting vs. 1hr40min of Sonia waffling on about who-fucking-cares-get-to-the-point-already

It's just not interesting anymore.
If only someone could let the housemates know there's no live feed - maybe then they'd start living like nobody's watching and give us something, anything!
 
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