Episode Day 39 (16/10/2014) - Daily Show

[Ezminus]

You know what I actually thought when I heard that? Made me think of Ed and his cards last year.

I felt as though Ed was using that phrase to get the public to keep him in the house so they would watch him play his cards. Similarly, I think someone has tipped off Ryan (probably Marina) that he isn't getting much exposure in the BB house and wants to keep himself in the game by alluding to the public that there is a lot more to him and we, as viewers, will only see it if we vote to save him.

This.

And he seemed to never play he's cards.

 

[up_all_night]

You don't know she has difficulties. Considering she beat God knows how many people to sit her arse in the house suggests quite the opposite. I don't agree that Skye was being exploited. And I don't think Ryan was doing anything other than voicing his frustrations regarding some of Skye's behaviours, just as she shared how he makes her feel.

Well clearly she seems to struggle in this situations, we've watched it and we've heard others discuss it.

As for Ryan voicing frustrations. I still say from early conversations we saw him have. He was just waiting on any opportunity to jump on her.

Also as for him venting, from the start of the whole thing, he just went into passive aggressive mode. There was no misunderstanding. She didn't say something which made no sense.

He jumped at her for what most people seem to agree and I believe clearly been shown was not an unreasonable, not an out of no where, not an unrelated comment.

If he was on an actual valid premise, then maybe I would accept him venting frustrations. However he wasn't.

His premise was, you say random things unrelated and criticizing and attacking her. He made comments about how her mind works. As if there is something wrong with her. When as has been established, there was nothing wrong or out of place about what she said.

Just because you disagree, doesn't mean you are right.

All of this is just our interpretations and opinions. Of course I will assume my understanding is correct.

I am stuck on the fact you found the need to use a possible ADHD diagnosis to help validate your point, and yet continue not to explain how that was in any way relevant.

Well here's another analogy for you to complain about. If someone is very short and you for fun like to place things on the top shelf, you're trying to make fun and be mean due to their height.

He's the one that brought up how her mind works, attacking her for what she says, her understanding of conversations and all sorts of things on that theme. So yes I think it is entirely valid to mention this when discussing this.

Not only was he trying to confuse her, was he twisting his words, he was also directly criticizing her mind.

'I don’t know what goes through your mind to think like that.'

So in this context, it's fair to mention she has a learning difficulty.



I think you think I’m pers… having a personal attack on you every time I say something to you. Like what you just said then about that, I don’t know what goes through your mind to think like that.

'You think I personally attack you'
and then he insults her mind which is a personal attack.

If there is a section for Worst Use Of An Analogy Ever in Conseula's Razzies this year, I will be sure to vote this one.

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

I said it was over blown. You seem to be stuck on the fact that if I position it as Ryan having a go at her, attacking her that some how I am saying there is something wrong with her, that she is weaker. This is how I interpreted what you were saying.

Where as time and time again I have stated I was talking about Ryan's behaviour yet you seemed to keep bringing it back to some implication you believe my comments on his behavior make about her.

Those Year 9 boys must have done quite the number on you...

Ah an attempted personal attack.

Which is interesting, because lets unpack the implication of that.

'Those Year 9 boys must have done quite the number on you...'

Almost sounds like you're trying to throw some kind of victim blaming. As if I was bullied and any result of that on me is my own fault. Having empathy for others, recognizing bad behavior in how others treat someone. Is not a bad traid and not necessarily from some trauma in the past.

To me this was an example of an adult conversation, where 2 or 3 of the participants agreed with Ryan. That is not to suggest I agree with Ryan, or his point of view, it just means that I understand how a couple of his like minded friends came to agree with his point. For me it was not an example of bullying, there was no attacking, there was no targeting, no preying, it was a heated conversation between adults, that at times reflected personality flaws and ineffective communication from all sides. That is what normal heated conversations do, they sometimes spin out of control and you say things you don't necessarily mean, or words come out wrong, or things get misinterpreted. That is usually where we go away, reflect and come back later and apologise for words that were said in the heat of that moment.

You're missing the point.

It wasn't an adult conversation at all from Ryan and David at all. If it was a conversation there would have been some attempt to understand what Skye was saying. There was no listening to her. Just jumping at her.

If it was a mature intelligent conversation it would have gone something like this.

Like there is such a fake element to this game. Like everyone here’s.. and I think… most the personalities in here, like everyone’s really bubbly and up and like that. And that’s been like a huge challenge for me. And I think, that’s where I sway more towards you Sandy, cause I, I do feel, I do get down and stuff like that, and when I am in those moods..


But people who are bubbly in nature still have bad days Ryan.


Umm, what do you mean?... what


I’m just saying, like people who are positive, and cause you go, everyone is so up and bubbly. Like you struggle with that and that’s why you sway to Sandy more, but


Yeah.


Like everyone’s who’s positive has negative days.

-Altered-

Oh, like, I just meant like, I relate more to Sandra because.. like we both spend more time not being up and like, happy and sometimes you need that when like.. you know your day is like down and stuff... I didn't mean that like, you don't do that, like people are different and stuff like...

ok

Not have Ryan going into an extended attack that she is stupid and her mind works strangely with not listening to a thing she said. The lack of listening to me clearly backs up that it was his chance to jump on her as he SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO.

People do that when they have or are trying to do something prepared.

Have you ever done an improv class? Or familiar with it. People who have too much prepared, have an idea they want to get out, don't actually listen to the other person. They are preoccupied with what they want to say and do.

That is not a conversation. If it was, he would have attempted to understand or to listen. Not listen just to attack. How can you say there is an intelligent mature conversation when she was the only one listening and trying to reasonably discuss.



What was Ryan's point? Go watch the video, read the transcript and tell me his point?

Don't just cherry pick a point he made, but please tell me the narrative of his point?

As for the others agreeing, well Ryan jumped at her for something reasonable and then went into insulting and having a go at her.

Sandra make a point, but her point was in the context of the way Ryan had twisted and framed everything. I think she loses any maturity from the conversation when you contrast it to her description of her thoughts and the fact she had just had a massive and unreasonable whinge fest about Skye.

David, he was the most pathetic. What was he aggree with Ryan?

Ryan took something Skye said.

Nah I just feel that every time we talk I’m having to explain myself and justify my answer.

Ok.. well then don’t talk to me.


Ok, that’s fine. If that’s what you want. See I just feel like that again and that’s like a really immature response…. Like that, that ok, don’t talk to me. I don’t get that.

He twisted what she said for the purpose of attacking her.

All David did was then attack her again based on Ryan's twisting and changing of what he said. That is not mature, not intelligent and it was absurd. That is why Skye was so confused, David has a big go at her, insulting her for something she never actually said. That to me really shows it was all about having a go at her.

Their comments and attitudes about her being a 'dumb bimbo' is probably what motivates them to think they can act that way and talk to someone that way.

 

[Tee]

Well clearly she seems to struggle in this situations, we've watched it and we've heard others discuss it.

As for Ryan voicing frustrations. I still say from early conversations we saw him have. He was just waiting on any opportunity to jump on her.

Also as for him venting, from the start of the whole thing, he just went into passive aggressive mode. There was no misunderstanding. She didn't say something which made no sense.

He jumped at her for what most people seem to agree and I believe clearly been shown was not an unreasonable, not an out of no where, not an unrelated comment.

If he was on an actual valid premise, then maybe I would accept him venting frustrations. However he wasn't.

His premise was, you say random things unrelated and criticizing and attacking her. He made comments about how her mind works. As if there is something wrong with her. When as has been established, there was nothing wrong or out of place about what she said.





All of this is just our interpretations and opinions. Of course I will assume my understanding is correct.





Well here's another analogy for you to complain about. If someone is very short and you for fun like to place things on the top shelf, you're trying to make fun and be mean due to their height.

He's the one that brought up how her mind works, attacking her for what she says, her understanding of conversations and all sorts of things on that theme. So yes I think it is entirely valid to mention this when discussing this.

Not only was he trying to confuse her, was he twisting his words, he was also directly criticizing her mind.

'I don’t know what goes through your mind to think like that.'

So in this context, it's fair to mention she has a learning difficulty.



I think you think I’m pers… having a personal attack on you every time I say something to you. Like what you just said then about that, I don’t know what goes through your mind to think like that.

'You think I personally attack you'
and then he insults her mind which is a personal attack.






I said it was over blown. You seem to be stuck on the fact that if I position it as Ryan having a go at her, attacking her that some how I am saying there is something wrong with her, that she is weaker. This is how I interpreted what you were saying.

Where as time and time again I have stated I was talking about Ryan's behaviour yet you seemed to keep bringing it back to some implication you believe my comments on his behavior make about her.






Ah an attempted personal attack.

Which is interesting, because lets unpack the implication of that.

'Those Year 9 boys must have done quite the number on you...'

Almost sounds like you're trying to throw some kind of victim blaming. As if I was bullied and any result of that on me is my own fault. Having empathy for others, recognizing bad behavior in how others treat someone. Is not a bad traid and not necessarily from some trauma in the past.




You're missing the point.

It wasn't an adult conversation at all from Ryan and David at all. If it was a conversation there would have been some attempt to understand what Skye was saying. There was no listening to her. Just jumping at her.

If it was a mature intelligent conversation it would have gone something like this.



Not have Ryan going into an extended attack that she is stupid and her mind works strangely with not listening to a thing she said. The lack of listening to me clearly backs up that it was his chance to jump on her as he SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO.

People do that when they have or are trying to do something prepared.

Have you ever done an improv class? Or familiar with it. People who have too much prepared, have an idea they want to get out, don't actually listen to the other person. They are preoccupied with what they want to say and do.

That is not a conversation. If it was, he would have attempted to understand or to listen. Not listen just to attack. How can you say there is an intelligent mature conversation when she was the only one listening and trying to reasonably discuss.



What was Ryan's point? Go watch the video, read the transcript and tell me his point?

Don't just cherry pick a point he made, but please tell me the narrative of his point?

As for the others agreeing, well Ryan jumped at her for something reasonable and then went into insulting and having a go at her.

Sandra make a point, but her point was in the context of the way Ryan had twisted and framed everything. I think she loses any maturity from the conversation when you contrast it to her description of her thoughts and the fact she had just had a massive and unreasonable whinge fest about Skye.

David, he was the most pathetic. What was he aggree with Ryan?

Ryan took something Skye said.



He twisted what she said for the purpose of attacking her.

All David did was then attack her again based on Ryan's twisting and changing of what he said. That is not mature, not intelligent and it was absurd. That is why Skye was so confused, David has a big go at her, insulting her for something she never actually said. That to me really shows it was all about having a go at her.

Their comments and attitudes about her being a 'dumb bimbo' is probably what motivates them to think they can act that way and talk to someone that way.

Uggh.

 

[tedfthis]

You know what I actually thought when I heard that? Made me think of Ed and his cards last year.

I felt as though Ed was using that phrase to get the public to keep him in the house so they would watch him play his cards. Similarly, I think someone has tipped off Ryan (probably Marina) that he isn't getting much exposure in the BB house and wants to keep himself in the game by alluding to the public that there is a lot more to him and we, as viewers, will only see it if we vote to save him.

I hope the general public isnt so gullible, as to fall for the same kind of spiel two years in a row. Teflon is non-stick, so shake him loose.

The best card that Ed had was Jade and he didn't know how to play that. I dont ever remember him saying that he had anyone on the outside, he just led her on, leading her to believe that she had a chance, once they got out, to help himself to stay in the house longer. He wasnt in there for personality, or card playing.

At least, Lawson can do MAGIC, but the same kind of situation has developed between Cat and himself this year and again its the woman doing the chasing. I dont know what others think, but I think its desperation, bordering on psychotic behaviour from the older woman. It wasnt nipped in the bud by Lawson, at the start, when she told him she has REAL feelings for him. THAT'S when he should have said he was in a happy committed relationship outside the house, but valued her friendship, in the house. Then he should have kept his fingers and toes to himself, but he is in too deep now . Pun intended.

Thats assuming he WAS in a happy committed relationship outside the house. THIS one hasnt been played out in the media, like Tully's and her ex. So, presumably Lawsons girlfriend or ex girlfriend, is waiting to confront him face to face, one on one, which is a grown up way to sort it out. You need a beginning, a middle and an end. Then she can sell her story .

 

[crimmy]

Could be polenta.

could have been what Sandra was complaining Priya made with potatoes - that looked like some sort of yellow mash concoction at the time ...

 

[crimmy]

You don't know she has difficulties. Considering she beat God knows how many people to sit her arse in the house suggests quite the opposite. I don't agree that Skye was being exploited. And I don't think Ryan was doing anything other than voicing his frustrations regarding some of Skye's behaviours, just as she shared how he makes her feel.

To me this was an example of an adult conversation, where 2 or 3 of the participants agreed with Ryan. That is not to suggest I agree with Ryan, or his point of view, it just means that I understand how a couple of his like minded friends came to agree with his point. For me it was not an example of bullying, there was no attacking, there was no targeting, no preying, it was a heated conversation between adults, that at times reflected personality flaws and ineffective communication from all sides. That is what normal heated conversations do, they sometimes spin out of control and you say things you don't necessarily mean, or words come out wrong, or things get misinterpreted. That is usually where we go away, reflect and come back later and apologise for words that were said in the heat of that moment.

YES!!

 

[CaspersMum]

YES!!

^^^^THIS!!!

 

[Cornflake Girl]

Wow... The last few pages are interesting reading as truly (not sarcastic, promise) TRULY really well thought out and eloquent debate.

But also oddly reassuring, as the worry I had that I'm over-invested in the show, by joining a forum and participating (no one else I know watches), has now been officially put to bed.

You two put the fan in FANATIC! Kudos!

 

[silkworm]

Uggh.

Oh, brilliant comeback!

 

[silkworm]

Dont recall saying anybody was or wasnt a bully...was simply voicing my opinion on the bully card

You're a liar, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Deja]

yes but who knows how far the support went - they might have supported him but not made his partner welcome which seems to be the crux of the matter from his letter last night. I think he works in family business(?) so if they didn't support him surely he wouldn't be working there? I may be wrong in that ...

I have a sibling who is gay. While some of us "knew" this early on, it was difficult for my parents to accept the truth. Acceptance did not happen overnight, but the love was always there. Today my sister and her partner are both welcomed at my parents home. Although the pain that the rejected child feels is very real, sometimes it just takes time.

 

[Deja]

Yep, that would probably fall under the banner of staples and its yellow. Plus hardly anyone likes it, so she wasnt having to fight everyone off for it.

Whatever it was, it was very concerning how she shoveled it in her mouth....seemed like she was binging or something.

 

[silkworm]

So the daily mail is reporting that Skye and Leo fornicated wonder whether they will include this in Monday nights show!

Fornication? What type of people use that term?

 

[silkworm]

You don't know she has difficulties....

You're the one with the difficulties, but there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[silkworm]

This.

And he seemed to never play he's cards.

Ed played his cards in an hour-long argument he had with Tim, but we only got to see about 5 seconds of it.

 

[tedfthis]

Whatever it was, it was very concerning how she shoveled it in her mouth....seemed like she was binging or something.

Yes, binge eating through emotional stress, crossed my mind too. She wasnt in the mood to share, it looked like one of those midnight snacks, a fridge raid . They are usually very protective of their food and with them being on staples, theres hardly anything that you would call delicious. It looked like butter to me, because thats the only thing I could think of, that had that consistency and was yellow, but I knew they wouldnt be getting butter, with staples. As a couple of people have suggested, it could have been polenta. I bought a box to try, after seeing them use it on a cooking show, but I never got around to the difficult task of pouring the hot water over it. The trouble is that the editing of the programmes is all over the place and its really hard to work out coherent story lines and the times they happened.

 

[tedfthis]

Sandra is so fucking annoying.

I think her main hobby on the outside is reading erotic fiction. She is probably feeling sex starved by now and the man of her dreams has just been booted out. I originally thought she would win the show, but from what we have seen, she will SOON be doing engagements with Sam, as they often use 2 evictees at the same time, to visit venues.

Some of them must kick themselves when they get evicted, because they didnt achieve what they wanted to. I'm way too old, but I would never go in without a plan, but more importantly, I would be myself. I call a spade a spade, so I would get offside with half the house and the other half wouldnt care too much for me either. I have a reasonbly good sense of humour and that can help to diffuse some situations. It just strikes me as crazy, that they get this once in a lifetime chance to have a 1 in 14 or 1 in 16 chance to win $250,000.00, less Big Brothers deductions and they dont embrace it.

Considering that most of them are socially aware, with Facebook, Twitter etc, face to face conversations are a lot more personal and sometimes confrontational, than sitting behind a phone or keyboard, anonymously posting vitriol. Face to face stuff has consequences, because if you are shown up as bullshitting, at least one of the lame brains will pick it up.

 

[tedfthis]

Fornication? What type of people use that term?

The people at The Daily Mail.

 

[Tee]

You're the one with the difficulties, but there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course there isn't.

It only becomes tacky if I try and manipulate posters by using my ADHD diagnosis to drum myself up a pity party.

We all have a cross to bear. The secret is to acknowledge it, understand it, then work hard to turn your weakness into a strength.

 

[PollyUSA]

Dave quite interesting tonight. His goose step following Ryan and Sandra out after Skye argument was worthy of a man who believed in a Thousand year reich, Or alliance if you will. (Godwin 's law can be broken. Thats how laws evolve)
And his post-mortem on the argument, trying to suggest his lettuce leaf offering"dont not talk to him. In here, we all have to communicate" was actually a planned effort to keep the controversy"rollin'. rollin' up"
LOL you farkin liar.
I still like Dave. But I see him like Ricky Gervais' "Derek" character. With even less worldliness.

I thought Dave was smarter. It's got to be clear in the house that Ryan's group is not popular. Katie, Lisa, and Sam are 3 of the last 4 out the door....with lesser group member Lawson being called out by the crowd during the live show. Why on earth would he align himself with the last two members of the cool group? Dave's move seems especially ill-considered because Ryan and Sandra are antagonizing one of the most popular players. Skye isn't the only HM that is aware of her popularity.

Not a smart move Dave