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Episode Day 39 (16/10/2014) - Daily Show

The main trust of what Ryan was doing was trying to make her look and feel dumb. They were not listening to her, accusing her of things, trying to twist her words around. She was the one trying to have a rational conversation. Ryan and then Dave and a lesser extent Sandra were just having a dig at her. Then they leave the room talking about how she is such a dumb bimbo.

They know she has some issues in these situations and that is what they were preying on.

And some people still dont recognise this gang mentality, as bullying.
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I'm thinking custard (set custard)

Thats possible Emma, but I dont know if anyone in there has shown enough skills to be able to make set custard :-). I dont think custard powder would be a staple either. Does anyone know what staples consists of, besides tuna and rice and tofu?
 
What is with this "I'm just 23 I am still young and I make mistakes" bloody hell everyone in there are adults,they are not children
who need their noses wiped.At 18 I was putting myself through nursing college at 23 I was married and hubby and I have struggled
to get where we are today,nobody bailed us out,nobody paid for us,we never went running back home everytime we reached a obstacle.

Get over it already Lawson is a adult who chose to make his mistake,Cat is a adult who knowingly went after someone else's man,Sandra is an adult who creepily coveted someone else's man,Skye is an adult who chooses to act the way she is acting.

I fully agree with this, the youth of today are in my opinion too cocooned or pampered. I'm, male and worked a part time job, every day after school, from the age of 13, to support the family, my father couldnt work because he had a bad heart. I left school at 15 and started full time work, I was married at 19 and had a wife and 2 children to support, by the time I was 23. I bought our own house and I had the responsibility of a mortgage, hire purchase payments on furniture etc, plus the rates, electricity etc that go with owning a home and I was the only breadwinner. This was in an era, where moms stayed at home and looked after the children. I paid the house off when I was 34. Nobody gave me anything. My 2 sons are grown up now and have been a credit to us. I always have said, that when kids go off the rails, it startsat home, its usually the parents fault, discipline begins at home and that doesnt include belting them, like my dad did with us. Now these 22 year olds today, dont seem to know the meaning of responsibility and need someone to blow their noses for them. Grow some.
 
I fully agree with this, the youth of today are in my opinion too cocooned or pampered. I'm, male and worked a part time job, every day after school, from the age of 13, to support the family, my father couldnt work because he had a bad heart. I left school at 15 and started full time work, I was married at 19 and had a wife and 2 children to support, by the time I was 23. I bought our own house and I had the responsibility of a mortgage, hire purchase payments on furniture etc, plus the rates, electricity etc that go with owning a home and I was the only breadwinner. This was in an era, where moms stayed at home and looked after the children. I paid the house off when I was 34. Nobody gave me anything. My 2 sons are grown up now and have been a credit to us. I always have said, that when kids go off the rails, it startsat home, its usually the parents fault, discipline begins at home and that doesnt include belting them, like my dad did with us. Now these 22 year olds today, dont seem to know the meaning of responsibility and need someone to blow their noses for them. Grow some.
Yes exactly and these people are old enough to know right from wrong,their parents did their jobs they should now be self-sufficient.At 23 there is no excuse to blame it on your age,Lawson needs to man up.
 
I do sympathise with Sandra with the whole not wanting sympathy hugs etc ... if I'm in a shitty mood or upset usually I prefer just to be left alone to deal with it and get over it ... if I want the hug - I'll go to the person I need the hug from and ask for it ... but I don't want meaningless hugs from people I don't really connect with and I also don't want to have to explain my mood when i'm right in the middle of it ... later yes ... right then and there? NO ... as in N.O. Full. stop! ;)

on the other hand Skye would throw a tissy in a totally different way - probably at full volume and wanting everyone to know about it ...

not saying Sandra's way is the right way - but Sandra didn't go on the attack - she was trying to explain where she thought Ryan was coming from and do it calmly and Skye lashed up ...

its a maturity thing ... trouble is Skye can be extremely mature one minute and batshit silly the next ...

I agree with you, if I am in a bad mood, I just want to be left alone. The problem here is that Sandra finds herself in a confined environment where her actions are magnified. She would be better off playing the hypocrite and accepting the hugs graciously rather than being a sour puss about it. If she'd done that we would have gotten an hour's worth of sappy letter footage.
 
The main trust of what Ryan was doing was trying to make her look and feel dumb. They were not listening to her, accusing her of things, trying to twist her words around. She was the one trying to have a rational conversation. Ryan and then Dave and a lesser extent Sandra were just having a dig at her. Then they leave the room talking about how she is such a dumb bimbo.

They know she has some issues in these situations and that is what they were preying on.
Again, what does a possible ADHD diagnosis have to do with that?

Newsflash Nelly: Skye is stereotypically the perfect example of a blonde bimbo, and that is okay. She plays on the "hehe, I don't understand, look! Sparkles!". Not that there is anything wrong with that. She got into the house with those qualities, she has made strong friendships by having those qualities, she is spooning the hottest guy in the house because he is attracted to those qualities, and she has proved she can hold her own in an argument with people who are older and wiser, based on those qualities.

No need to perhaps falsely diagnose her to make her sound like possible "prey" to what you see is an attacking pack, and disempower her. Celebrate her qualities and inner strength. She proves what you see isn't necessarily what you are going to get.
 
Again, what does a possible ADHD diagnosis have to do with that?

Newsflash Nelly: Skye is stereotypically the perfect example of a blonde bimbo, and that is okay. She plays on the "hehe, I don't understand, look! Sparkles!". Not that there is anything wrong with that. She got into the house with those qualities, she has made strong friendships by having those qualities, she is spooning the hottest guy in the house because he is attracted to those qualities, and she has proved she can hold her own in an argument with people who are older and wiser, based on those qualities.

No need to perhaps falsely diagnose her to make her sound like possible "prey" to what you see is an attacking pack, and disempower her. Celebrate her qualities and inner strength. She proves what you see isn't necessarily what you are going to get.
agreed
she has enough people excusing her behaviour thus she continues it - she KNOWS what does / doesn't work for her and she'll continue doing it
she's got her nose out of joint because people are on to it now - it MAY work amongst her peers but that shit doesn't work forever and living in close quarters with her it would get real old real fast
 
I agree with you, if I am in a bad mood, I just want to be left alone. The problem here is that Sandra finds herself in a confined environment where her actions are magnified. She would be better off playing the hypocrite and accepting the hugs graciously rather than being a sour puss about it. If she'd done that we would have gotten an hour's worth of sappy letter footage.

I too, prefer my own company if I am stressed or angry. I dont often get angry, I walk away from the situations before they escalate. Its a bit harder to be alone though, in a house with about a dozen other people. Sandra would enjoy her time much more, if she embraced the unique situation she is in and she might take the target off her back and survive another week, but with this being a double eviction, I think the sulky la-la performance has sealed her fate. Its a pity, because I still think there is more to her, than what we have seen, or been shown. She didnt do herself any favours by her limpet-like behaviour with Sam, that was teenage behaviour and she is supposed to be a grown woman.

Its a bit different with Traisha, they are both young, impressionable and think they are in love. I wish them well, but I dont think a goldfish bowl setting, with TV cameras and microphones all over the place, is a good place to start a relationship. Be friends with people yes, then see if you still feel the same, when you are both out of the house, but dont exclude the ones that you depend on EACH WEEK, not to nominate you, at the expense of whats probably a faux showmance. I think its really one sided, Travis is head over heels (like Jade last year) and I think Aisha is using him (like Ed last year), to stay under the radar and as a crutch to make her time easier. They know that couples attract more potential for air time. I want to see genuine, entertaining people if there is $200,000.00 at stake.

There are still people in there after 6 weeks, that havent shown much personality. We got to see a bit more of Teflons this last week and I wasnt impressed with him. They havent shown us much of Priya, but she strikes me as the nice motherly type, she was seen consoling Skye after some of Skyes nominations were shown, which was a plus for her. However, I think Priya realises, so does Leo, that staying onside with Skye and her perceived popularity outside the house, will help them to get further in the 'game'. In the short time that he has been in the house, Leo has shown himself to be a decent bloke. He hasnt openly sought out the Alpha male role, but he probably is it. Cat and Lawson need to make up their minds over how they really feel about each other. I DO feel that there is an attraction there on both their parts, but Lawson has on his mind, how it makes him look on the outside, when he was in a supposed relationship. He should have thought about that a bit more, before he took Cat into the Sanctuary. Cat's feelings are obvious and I dont think they are false, like I think Aisha's are. But then again, Cat might be also tagging up, or trying to form another faux showmance, to get her further into the show. From what we have been shown so far, its Skyes to lose.
 
agreed
she has enough people excusing her behaviour thus she continues it - she KNOWS what does / doesn't work for her and she'll continue doing it
she's got her nose out of joint because people are on to it now - it MAY work amongst her peers but that shit doesn't work forever and living in close quarters with her it would get real old real fast

Also, if there are any perceived problems there, they will just get magnified, as the house gets smaller. More of them will have to interact with people that they havent spent much time with. We havent seen much footage, since Travis was fake evicted, but from what we have seen, Aisha is OK, not like Sandra, who reacted quite differently after Sam was properly evicted. I dont like Teflon, but it wouldnt bother me, if he survived this week, just to see how he reacts to Travis coming back in, after he probably thought he had beaten him off. I still think they should have been able to construct a good Sunday night show, around this. The Ben13 experiment in my opinion was a waste of time and was a major failure. No wonder the audience is shrinking.
 
I really don't think he was? In the context of yes, it would be mean if it was Day 2, then absolutely. But this far into it, I imagine anyone would be frustrated with her... There's so much we don't see. I viewed it (and honestly, was ambivalent towards both, some days I liked one, hated the other, vice versa). The only consistency is Skye being naive, dumb, and playing to the cameras. I haven't religiously watched every episode but those I have, she DOES play the cute Marilyn Monroe ditzy girl. I'd imagine I'd want to kill her myself, stuck in a house with her, about 16 days earlier than Ryan...
^This! She reminds me of Suzanne Sommers' "Chrissy Snow" on Three's Company but not a funny one and with worse makeup and way too tanned.
 
Again, what does a possible ADHD diagnosis have to do with that?

Newsflash Nelly: Skye is stereotypically the perfect example of a blonde bimbo, and that is okay. She plays on the "hehe, I don't understand, look! Sparkles!". Not that there is anything wrong with that. She got into the house with those qualities, she has made strong friendships by having those qualities, she is spooning the hottest guy in the house because he is attracted to those qualities, and she has proved she can hold her own in an argument with people who are older and wiser, based on those qualities.

No need to perhaps falsely diagnose her to make her sound like possible "prey" to what you see is an attacking pack, and disempower her. Celebrate her qualities and inner strength. She proves what you see isn't necessarily what you are going to get.


I think my point was pretty clear. She has some difficulties. We have been told she has some learning difficulties. They were trying to exploit this to prove their point she is a 'dumb bimbo.' Whether or not they did is neither here nor there to that point. In my opinion it seems quite clear that this is what Ryan was trying to do.

I also disagree she is a stereo typically dumb bimbo. People may judge her as that, but she isn't. It's also quite a bit of a derogatory term.

I think you're stuck on isolated interpretations of words and language and missing the context and the larger point. Because she was the target of Ryan, doesn't mean I am saying she is lesser. Just that they ganged up on her.

Here is an over blown example. Al Queda attacked the USA on September 11. America fell prey to the suicide attacks. That does not mean America is weaker than a few Saudi's in Aeroplanes.

So saying Ryan was attacking Skye, saying he was trying to belittle her. Saying they targeted her. Say he was trying to prey on her difficulties is about him. Not a statement on her.
 
Ah Skye you are fucking 20 years old not fucking 12. Act like it and talk like a mature woman and stop going on like a little baby. FFS.

I fully expect her to go and curl up in the corner with her blankie and dolly and a tub of icecream.
Amen! Her shtick has gotten rather annoying.
 
Okay finally watched the Skye/Ryan/Sandra argument. Skye is smarter than she is letting on and is being "dumb" is a large part of her strategy. I have raised two LD daughters, and both are incredibly bright, one has an above genius level IQ. LD doesn't mean dumb, but pretty girls learn quickly to play that card. I know I am in the minority; and as much as I like Skye and dislike Sandra/Ryan...I completely agree with their side of the argument. I also agree with David's points about how much more strategic she is than they had thought previously.
Exactly!
 
Yeah. Cause that's what gay men are like the second they're around another gay man. They're just feral and would hump anyone. Completely different to heterosexuals. *eyeroll*.
Wait, so Travis is gay? Is Aisha a man now? Things just got interesting.
 
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Not to mention the 'don't hug me' thing.
That girl has really been doing my tits in.

I am so loving skye at the moment. I think she's funny . Her
Nominations last night were great.

Entertainment wise. I'd rather watch her being a nut job then watch Sandra and Ryan be bitches

Or lawson and cat make an embarrassment of themselves

And I'm loving that priya is taking her under her wing and protecting her. Must be the school teacher in her
Priya's not "protecting" anyone - every single thing she says and does in that house is calculated to get herself further in the game. I'd go as far as to say Priya is the least genuine person in the house.
 
I think my point was pretty clear. She has some difficulties. We have been told she has some learning difficulties. They were trying to exploit this to prove their point she is a 'dumb bimbo.' Whether or not they did is neither here nor there to that point. In my opinion it seems quite clear that this is what Ryan was trying to do.

You don't know she has difficulties. Considering she beat God knows how many people to sit her arse in the house suggests quite the opposite. I don't agree that Skye was being exploited. And I don't think Ryan was doing anything other than voicing his frustrations regarding some of Skye's behaviours, just as she shared how he makes her feel.

I also disagree she is a stereo typically dumb bimbo. People may judge her as that, but she isn't. It's also quite a bit of a derogatory term.

Just because you disagree, doesn't mean you are right.

I think you're stuck on isolated interpretations of words and language and missing the context and the larger point. Because she was the target of Ryan, doesn't mean I am saying she is lesser. Just that they ganged up on her.

I am stuck on the fact you found the need to use a possible ADHD diagnosis to help validate your point, and yet continue not to explain how that was in any way relevant.

Here is an over blown example. Al Queda attacked the USA on September 11. America fell prey to the suicide attacks. That does not mean America is weaker than a few Saudi's in Aeroplanes.

If there is a section for Worst Use Of An Analogy Ever in Conseula's Razzies this year, I will be sure to vote this one.

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

So saying Ryan was attacking Skye, saying he was trying to belittle her. Saying they targeted her. Say he was trying to prey on her difficulties is about him. Not a statement on her.

Those Year 9 boys must have done quite the number on you...

To me this was an example of an adult conversation, where 2 or 3 of the participants agreed with Ryan. That is not to suggest I agree with Ryan, or his point of view, it just means that I understand how a couple of his like minded friends came to agree with his point. For me it was not an example of bullying, there was no attacking, there was no targeting, no preying, it was a heated conversation between adults, that at times reflected personality flaws and ineffective communication from all sides. That is what normal heated conversations do, they sometimes spin out of control and you say things you don't necessarily mean, or words come out wrong, or things get misinterpreted. That is usually where we go away, reflect and come back later and apologise for words that were said in the heat of that moment.
 
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Sure Ryan was totally a bully with Trav, a total asswipe in fact but he's tamed up a little since his aggro energy has dissipated for a time. Anyone notice that his letters to his loved ones he's made this assumption that he's going to take it to the end, saying 'as the weeks roll on they will be seeing more of Ryan' or something to that effect... Does he seriously think he can win this thing being a little behind the scenes bitch as well as threatening other housemates with violence ?? Good luck, Ryan lol.

You know what I actually thought when I heard that? Made me think of Ed and his cards last year.

I felt as though Ed was using that phrase to get the public to keep him in the house so they would watch him play his cards. Similarly, I think someone has tipped off Ryan (probably Marina) that he isn't getting much exposure in the BB house and wants to keep himself in the game by alluding to the public that there is a lot more to him and we, as viewers, will only see it if we vote to save him.
 
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