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braydenharvey
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I just watched Michelle’s eviction and I must say it’s this point where Glenn’s popularity basically plummeted. It’s so crazy to think how fast it happened too. Literally everyone was so hellbent on the fact that Glenn is gonna be the winner. He’ll make it far. It does however make me wonder with what he said about going from Michelle to Kate. Because with shows like MAFS & Love Island these days, it’s almost glamorised to “cheat” or “play around” with multiple partners for the sake of ratings, drama and scandals. How times have changed in the grand scheme of reality tv shows.
Maybe he should have stuck to that.
Wonder how different MAFS/LI would be if viewers were voting contestants out every week. Not that I've ever watched ether of these trashfests.
braydenharvey
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Well… I wouldn’t exactly recommend lol. Especially MAFS, it’s very mind-numbing to watch and my parents are highly invested in it so… that doesn’t really help. With the shit that comes from within, I’d assume some would actually be ejected from the show. But then again, producers of these shows do tend to disappoint.
Zcsund1234
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Was he also the voice for surely the fish?
Correct.
From the little knowledge I have of Love Island they do periodically have contestants voted out by viewers, but it's usually in a manipulated kind of way where they don't explain upfront exactly how the elimination is working so just ask viewers to vote for their favourite then based on the result producers seem to determine if it's a straight elimination, contestants choosing from the bottom two couples, contestants choosing one individual from the bottom couple to go etc.
Zcsund1234
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That is why I don't like love island. The elimination system has no consistency.
Zcsund1234
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I can remember watching the conversation between Benjamin and Estelle at 7:12 extremely well. Actually, so far of all the episodes I have watched I can remember watching 90% of the scenes at the time. Nothing has escaped my memory, what has changed is my perception of what I'm watching and my opinion.
What I feel watching now is that Estelle was dismissed by the in group and no matter what efforts she put in to appease them, no behaviour she displayed would be deemed acceptable or appropriate. The way she speaks to Benjamin in this conversation almost looks if she wants to scream at him and say she can't win. And she couldn't. I also remember watching this week's eviction live and being absolutely fucking gobsmacked that Ray went and Estelle stayed. Even watching now, I cannot believe Estelle got that lucky. She must have gained a lot of sympathy after Ava arrived. Ava becoming close with her further elucidated just how isolated she was amongst the group.
I can imagine a lot of sympathy for Estelle. I know I felt it at the time. Isolated by everyone, then finally a friendly face appears, only to be accused of hogging Ava by bitch-face. Fuck he's a piece of work.
Afflllate
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I remember seeing Estelle for the first time on stage and getting a 'might be the first evictee' vibe. She built week on week and kinda reminded me of Camilla's trajectory through BB06, and by the finale I was a bit Team Stella ftw haha.
Ray was cute, I voted for him a couple times, I did these kinda cringe 'here were my sms votes for the season' Instagram collages for 2012-2014 (and for X factor from 2013-2015). I only scattered a vote or few per week (and for X factor 2015 I think its literally only a singular vote for Cyrus in the Finale just so I could do the collage, LOL) but I might dig them up later.
Also back to BB08 for a moment, I found this little video from David 2006 when I was searching for that scene of David explaining how gays do it to the fascinated group of guys lol, Looks like around 2010 or so (or that's just the upload date maybe, since somewhere in between those 4 years off air the house was in quite a state of abandonment when someone on YouTube visited it wasn't it?) He visited or rented out the 2008 house at night - and Darren was also there. (EDIT: oh it looks like it was for some sort of 40 Hour Famine lock in charity thing).
Ray was cute, I voted for him a couple times, I did these kinda cringe 'here were my sms votes for the season' Instagram collages for 2012-2014 (and for X factor from 2013-2015). I only scattered a vote or few per week (and for X factor 2015 I think its literally only a singular vote for Cyrus in the Finale just so I could do the collage, LOL) but I might dig them up later.
Also back to BB08 for a moment, I found this little video from David 2006 when I was searching for that scene of David explaining how gays do it to the fascinated group of guys lol, Looks like around 2010 or so (or that's just the upload date maybe, since somewhere in between those 4 years off air the house was in quite a state of abandonment when someone on YouTube visited it wasn't it?) He visited or rented out the 2008 house at night - and Darren was also there. (EDIT: oh it looks like it was for some sort of 40 Hour Famine lock in charity thing).
Zcsund1234
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Had the vote to evict process been used she may possibly have been the first evictee. She definitely fits the mould.
I have changed my views on her greatly after watching. I just watched the week where she was nominated with 19 points and she cried on the couch and said "19?". I hated how BB used to tell them the points. For Estelle to hear that she got almost double the points of the second highest person (Bradley) is pretty much public shaming. I never really grasped how isolated she was until I looked at the nominations table and saw every single person had nominated her at this point. Having Ava would have helped her feel accepted and comfortable in the house, and yet she was scolded for it.
jessy_girl
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I really hate people feeling left out and excluded, and in the BB house they don’t have the luxury of being able to leave the situation, so I really didn’t like seeing everyone’s treatment of Estelle, but I also will say that I didn’t particularly vibe on her myself.
Benjamin also didn’t have the luxury of being able to easily avoid a person who irritates him, however there was no reason to be nasty to her and to turn others against her and make it a situation of “what will we do about estelle?”
She did seem to get on people’s nerves but at the same time people would have felt they had little choice but to also dislike Estelle otherwise they would also be on the outer.
I remember at the finale he was still so mean throwing the horse over the fence and laughing about it.
I guess on reflection I’m team Estelle because bullying and exclusion is just horrible.
Benjamin also didn’t have the luxury of being able to easily avoid a person who irritates him, however there was no reason to be nasty to her and to turn others against her and make it a situation of “what will we do about estelle?”
She did seem to get on people’s nerves but at the same time people would have felt they had little choice but to also dislike Estelle otherwise they would also be on the outer.
I remember at the finale he was still so mean throwing the horse over the fence and laughing about it.
I guess on reflection I’m team Estelle because bullying and exclusion is just horrible.
Zcsund1234
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I can understand why people were supportive of her. It's weird watching this at 22 rather than 12. I think how I'd feel if I was Estelle and it makes me feel a pit in my stomach. As funny as Benjamin, Michael and Stacey are there are some nasty elements to them that went over my head. For me, it's just I couldn't like Estelle herself. I am still very confused by her as a person even on a rewatch.
jessy_girl
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That’s kind of how I feel. I don’t really like her but the treatment of her is not acceptable.
It was childish, schoolground-type bullying behaviour from him.
jessy_girl
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I know I have been in one situation where I was the outcast and felt excluded, and similarly to Estelle I really no escape from that situation, and it seriously sucks. I imagine many people viewing had also experienced similar and sympathised with her. But even those who have never felt on the outside ever would surely feel sorry for her?
I have also been in situations where there was someone else who really didn’t fit in or mesh with anyone, I mean that’s life. Maybe it’s very difficult in the confines of BB where one can’t escape the other person ever and the experience is taking up your whole life so it ends up dominating the conversations but I simply cannot imagine responding in the way Benjamin did. Unacceptable behaviour from a person in their thirties. Unacceptable at any age but I can understand someone who is still young and yet to fully learn these things and yet to have that reflection, but no way at 32 or however old Ben was.
I have also been in situations where there was someone else who really didn’t fit in or mesh with anyone, I mean that’s life. Maybe it’s very difficult in the confines of BB where one can’t escape the other person ever and the experience is taking up your whole life so it ends up dominating the conversations but I simply cannot imagine responding in the way Benjamin did. Unacceptable behaviour from a person in their thirties. Unacceptable at any age but I can understand someone who is still young and yet to fully learn these things and yet to have that reflection, but no way at 32 or however old Ben was.
Zcsund1234
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Life experience would have a huge impact on opinions of others. Watching Estelle as a high school aged life-inexperienced viewer, I didn't think twice about how she would have felt in the house. As I have aged and gone through a revolving door of friendships, going to university and joining the workforce I have learnt to understand now that the behaviour directed towards Estelle was not okay.
40 Hour Famine Lock-in happened in August 2009, a year after BB's first axing. Ex-housemates Camilla, David, Darren, Michelle and Nick plus 40 competition winners, IIRC. If you want to open up the time capsule:
40hrfaminelockin
40hrfaminelockin. 273 likes. World Vision 40 Hour Famine 21-23 August 2009 40 People, 40 Hours One House, One Mission!
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40hrfaminelockin
40hrfaminelockin. 273 likes. World Vision 40 Hour Famine 21-23 August 2009 40 People, 40 Hours One House, One Mission!
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EDIT: The lock-in was live streamed to ustream.tv. There are no clips of this but I did find an archived copy of the ustream page with some text-only status updates: https://web.archive.org/web/20090825140257/http://www.ustream.tv:80/channel/Our40HrLockIn
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