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ejeect said:
It is unreasonable to get on someones back for expressing an opinion on a forum. It is also unreasonable to get on someone's case because they found a comment funny. Sorry, but is it hurting anyone? These people go on the show fully aware that people will judge them and potentially make fun of them. You are trying to make out that Mikkayla is a innocent, introvert, which is disingenuous to say the least.

I personally don't like Mikkayla. I find her to be self-righteous, egotistical and bratty. She spent a whole night crying about her weight and how she felt unattractive. Funnily enough she was as happy as can be as soon as she escaped the halfway house. Perhaps, I'm a little more critical than most. I don't like people who have a superiority complex. I don't like people who actively search for sympathy.

Also, you are clearly not familiar with logic. To make a personal attack against a poster because they don't share your opinion is more than a little ridiculous. You comments sound like they are coming from an irrational family member. So what is it? Are you Mikkayla's best friend or something. People who don't have a vested interest don't get as defensive as you are getting right now.

Do you think Mikkayla will come out of the house, read this thread and then cry herself to sleep every night? I don't think so. I don't particularly care either. She has put herself on national television and therefore she is fair game.

So instead of insulting people and personally attacking posters, how about you show some class and just keep quiet. You clearly have nothing of value to add.

I dispute Mikkayla's intelligence on the following grounds:
-She is a poor speaker.
-She is a teacher... The saying that those who cannot do, teach is something that I have found to be very true.
-She rarely seems to say anything of interest. Has she discussed any topic in depth? Has she shown a real understanding of any topic?
-Books. Hmm, here's an interesting point. Any idiot with a basic knowledge of the written word can read a book. Congratulations to her
-Did I mention that teaching requires one of the lowest entry scores at university. The only prerequisite being a pass mark in English. Also, she has openly admitted to disliking children. That rules out any chance that she is doing it because she has a passion for education. Perhaps it was the only course she could get in to.
-Let's be realistic for a second. What kind of person with a keen intellect would apply for Big Brother.

I dispute her likeability on the following grounds:
-She is vain and bossy.
-She has no confidence and very little self-esteem (I personally can't stand high maintenance people)
-She only feels good about herself if she feels like she's smarter than whoever she's around.

So, no, I don't like Mikkayla. Are you going to call me dumb? Are you going to get all passive aggressive with me. Are you going to be so ignorant and pigheaded to suggest that only your opinion is valid?
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I think it is important to differentiate between genuine criticisms and ones based on the way she looks or sounds and it is also important to not ignore Mikkaylas strengths in communication and doing things that help out the other housemates and around the house in general.
 
SoshiMECH said:
I think it is important to differentiate between genuine criticisms and ones based on the way she looks or sounds and it is also important to not ignore Mikkaylas strengths in communication and doing things that help out the other housemates and around the house in general.
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So are we voting to save her because she helps people out, or because she is interesting to watch? Seems like a bit of a moot point. Also, I'd say she's been a fairly large source of drama and stress in the house which contradicts your point.

The whole looks thing is interesting. I know the politically correct thing is to say that everyone is beautiful and we live in this wonderful world and la la la la la... But the fact is: the world isn't a kid's program. I am a person of average looks, should I expect the attention of a model? Personality only goes so far. Remember: humans are animals and we are programmed through evolution to seek out our best match based on their physical attributes. Do you have an ideal partner? Because I think most people do and talk openly about it. Should you dislike someone based purely on their looks? Certainly not. But that isn't Tesa's sole criticism of Mikkayla.

I acknowledge that Mikkayla is not all bad. But then again, no one is. I'm just pointing out that she has more flaws than you think she does. And, to be brutally honest, those flaws add up to a very unattractive whole.
 
Soshi, I'm not a big "dog person" and I don't think her training a dog and doing obiedence training makes her more likable or a good person whatsoever; I know pletny of "dog people" who I dislike or think are "bad". I also don't find her conversations 'interesting'. Your whole "Anyone that dislikes Mikalya is immature" is actually very insulting, it's an awful generalisation to make and highly incorrect. Oh and your whole "She helps people out!" thing falls flat on it's face when she ran to the sisters and told them what Tahan had said about them while twisting the facts and context, if she was really a "nice" human being like you're attempting to make out she is instead of doing that she'd have confronted Tahan or mentioned something to her, not ran behind her back (Especially with Tahan being the person that saved her from nomination) and attempted to cause trama and conflicted.

Also I highly agree with pretty much everything Ejeect said in his wall post.
 
ejeect said:
So are we voting to save her because she helps people out, or because she is interesting to watch? Seems like a bit of a moot point. Also, I'd say she's been a fairly large source of drama and stress in the house which contradicts your point.

The whole looks thing is interesting. I know the politically correct thing is to say that everyone is beautiful and we live in this wonderful world and la la la la la... But the fact is: the world isn't a kid's program. I am a person of average looks, should I expect the attention of a model? Personality only goes so far. Remember: humans are animals and we are programmed through evolution to seek out our best match based on their physical attributes. Do you have an ideal partner? Because I think most people do and talk openly about it. Should you dislike someone based purely on their looks? Certainly not. But that isn't Tesa's sole criticism of Mikkayla.

I acknowledge that Mikkayla is not all bad. But then again, no one is. I'm just pointing out that she has more flaws than you think she does. And, to be brutally honest, those flaws add up to a very unattractive whole.
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I don't see that she has caused conflicts in the house: I think she has brought a few conflict to a head because she is not afraid to confront people and tell people what is really going on, and she seems to be smart enough to understand the source of the conflict and give people advice even if they (Tully) don't listen to her. The trouble is that you think it is better to not bring conflict out in the open, but Mikkayla realizes that it is much more important to resolve issues than ignoring them, and I admire her for that. Most people would be to afraid to say anything: It's also reason why I like Tim (most of the time).

When you get older you will realize a person you can have a good conversation with is more valuable than one that looks good and Big Brother often proves that point. Mikkayla has had some of the best conversations in the house with many of the housemates: In comparison the conversation between the likes of ED, Jade and Drew have been either uninteresting or completely nonexistent.

Well, I guess where you see flaws I see strength, intelligence and independence: She is not perfect but if I was giving points out to the various housemates she would get the highest in my opinion: I think she is very strong and anyone in the house could have a good conversation with her, and I can't say that about anyone else in the house.
 
Dobbing on someone and misconstruing their statements isn't a healthy way to deal with conflict at all, surely you have to be joking there? If she was not afraid to confront people and tell them how it really is she would have said something to Tahan rather than running behind her back.

I'll ask you one question because at this point it seems like you're holding a high level of bias and ignoring logic or/and related or a friend of hers because your reasoning to be frank is weak; What conflicts has she healthily brought to an end and what situations has she shown intelligence in?
 
Regmaniac said:
Soshi, I'm not a big "dog person" and I don't think her training a dog and doing obiedence training makes her more likable or a good person whatsoever; I know pletny of "dog people" who I dislike or think are "bad". I also don't find her conversations 'interesting'. Your whole "Anyone that dislikes Mikalya is immature" is actually very insulting, it's an awful generalisation to make and highly incorrect. Oh and your whole "She helps people out!" thing falls flat on it's face when she ran to the sisters and told them what Tahan had said about them while twisting the facts and context, if she was really a "nice" human being like you're attempting to make out she is instead of doing that she'd have confronted Tahan or mentioned something to her, not ran behind her back (Especially with Tahan being the person that saved her from nomination) and attempted to cause trama and conflicted.

Also I highly agree with pretty much everything Ejeect said in his wall post.
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When she ran to the sisters she brought the whole conflict out in the open which is what was the smart thing to do and what happened after that is that Tahan and the sister sat down and discussed the conflict and this is what should have happend before Tahan's bitch session (I still love you Tahan). How is this a bad thing? I actually thought what Mikkayla did was smart move and will hopefully stop people from not addressing the own issues with other people in the house in future. The trouble is that most people don't confront other people when they have a problem: Mikkayla thankfully is not like that.
 
You're kidding right? You have to be kidding.

Running and dobbing on someone about someone else is never the solution to dealing with conflict. If she really felt that Tahans comments were out of line she should have mentioned something about it to Tahan and got it out in the open that way; running and saying it in secret shows that she in fact doesn't have the confidence to voice her opinions openly and instead wants to attempt to create drama (Which is shown by her changing what Tahan actually said and pulling it out of context), her move there was pure bitchiness and not at all honourable.
 
Regmaniac said:
Soshi, I'm not a big "dog person" and I don't think her training a dog and doing obiedence training makes her more likable or a good person whatsoever; I know pletny of "dog people" who I dislike or think are "bad". I also don't find her conversations 'interesting'. Your whole "Anyone that dislikes Mikalya is immature" is actually very insulting, it's an awful generalisation to make and highly incorrect. Oh and your whole "She helps people out!" thing falls flat on it's face when she ran to the sisters and told them what Tahan had said about them while twisting the facts and context, if she was really a "nice" human being like you're attempting to make out she is instead of doing that she'd have confronted Tahan or mentioned something to her, not ran behind her back (Especially with Tahan being the person that saved her from nomination) and attempted to cause trama and conflicted.

Also I highly agree with pretty much everything Ejeect said in his wall post.
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It's not about being likable it is about being interesting: Dod training is one of the things that makes Mikkayla interesting: In the same way when Tim and Mikkayla are talking about something I find it interesting, something I can't say about most other pairings in the house.

If it was about being likable then Mr Clooney should win! Not that Mykkayla isn't likable and becoming more likable:
 
^I agree with [MENTION=34779]Regmaniac[/MENTION]. Mikkayla could have dealt with the conflict by talking to Tahan about what she was saying, but going behind her back and telling the sisters what Tahan said just caused more conflict and drama.
 
SoshiMECH said:
It's not about being likable it is about being interesting: Dod training is one of the things that makes Mikkayla interesting: In the same way when Tim and Mikkayla are talking about something I find it interesting, something I can't say about most other pairings in the house.

If it was about being likable then Mr Clooney should win! Not that Mykkayla isn't likable and becoming more likable:
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Yes, in your opinion.
 
SoshiMECH said:
It's not about being likable it is about being interesting: Dod training is one of the things that makes Mikkayla interesting: In the same way when Tim and Mikkayla are talking about something I find it interesting, something I can't say about most other pairings in the house.

If it was about being likable then Mr Clooney should win! Not that Mykkayla isn't likable and becoming more likable:
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It's scary, did you see how the voting went tonight, The kids are all voting for the two gimmick HM's, The barbie twins & Ben who are one step above voting for Mr Clooney.
 
Regmaniac said:
You're kidding right? You have to be kidding.

Running and dobbing on someone about someone else is never the solution to dealing with conflict. If she really felt that Tahans comments were out of line she should have mentioned something about it to Tahan and got it out in the open that way; running and saying it in secret shows that she in fact doesn't have the confidence to voice her opinions openly and instead wants to attempt to create drama (Which is shown by her changing what Tahan actually said and pulling it out of context), her move there was pure bitchiness and not at all honourable.
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She confronted Tully so I'm pretty sure she is not afraid of confrontation and what purpose would have confronting Tahan served? Tahan may have apologized or just ignored her and the conflict would have stayed in the dark. You may or may not like her method but she brought the conflict to a head.

Also Mikkayla is friends with the two sisters. If you had friends and heard someone say something bad about them wouldn't you not go and tell your friends? Also I don't think it is Mikkayla's job to stand up to people when everyone else is being so spineless. What about criticizing the people that said nothing?
 
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ejeect said:
So are we voting to save her because she helps people out, or because she is interesting to watch? Seems like a bit of a moot point. Also, I'd say she's been a fairly large source of drama and stress in the house which contradicts your point.

The whole looks thing is interesting. I know the politically correct thing is to say that everyone is beautiful and we live in this wonderful world and la la la la la... But the fact is: the world isn't a kid's program. I am a person of average looks, should I expect the attention of a model? Personality only goes so far. Remember: humans are animals and we are programmed through evolution to seek out our best match based on their physical attributes. Do you have an ideal partner? Because I think most people do and talk openly about it. Should you dislike someone based purely on their looks? Certainly not. But that isn't Tesa's sole criticism of Mikkayla.

I acknowledge that Mikkayla is not all bad. But then again, no one is. I'm just pointing out that she has more flaws than you think she does. And, to be brutally honest, those flaws add up to a very unattractive whole.
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She just proved it again tonight when she was talking to the girls in the room, She's all about herself.
 
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