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Isee said:
The government here have used the word in a buzzword derogatory way - (ie kids would no longer be served woke foods with for lunch) which has lead to the media treating them with the respect they deserve and creating lists of woke foods
thespinoff.co.nz

A definitive list of woke and non-woke foods

Unsure if your snack gets the David Seymour tick? This will clear things up.
thespinoff.co.nz
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Bahaha that list. White people food = NOT WOKE; "Foreign" food = WOKE.
 
This was a particular highlight:

Quinoa, pronounced keen-wah = WOKE
Quinoa, pronounced kwin-oh-ah = WOKE but somehow less so
 
timmy said:
This was a particular highlight:

Quinoa, pronounced keen-wah = WOKE
Quinoa, pronounced kwin-oh-ah = WOKE but somehow less so
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Highlight for me too. We did a wine tour on the limestone coast and the woman driving us around said something about a kwin-oh-ah salad. We didn't correct her - It is a perfectly reasonable guess of how to say the word if you saw it written. If I had only heard the word I sure would not have spelt it like that! It is now our favorite way of saying it (to each other anyway)
 
timmy said:
I fail to understand why being woke is in any way wrong.


The term "woke" originally emerged from African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and referred to a heightened awareness of social injustices, particularly those related to race and systemic inequality. Over time, "woke" has evolved and can encompass a broader awareness of various social issues, including gender equality, LGBTQ+ rights, environmental justice, and more. People who think being woke is wrong really need to take a good long hard look at themselves. But then, self-reflection is woke.

Characteristics of a "Woke" Person
  1. Awareness of Social Issues: A woke person is informed about issues such as systemic racism, poverty, gender inequality, and climate change.
  2. Advocacy for Justice: They often engage in activism or support policies aimed at addressing social injustices.
  3. Inclusive Language: A woke individual tends to use language that is sensitive to issues of race, gender, and sexuality, avoiding terms that are considered derogatory or exclusionary.
  4. Critical of Traditional Norms: They may challenge established societal norms and practices that perpetuate inequality or discrimination.
Path to Being "Woke"
  1. Education: Engaging with literature, documentaries, and discussions about social issues is fundamental. This often involves learning about history, sociology, and the experiences of marginalized communities.
  2. Self-Reflection: Individuals may need to reflect on their own biases and privilege, considering how their identities intersect with various social issues.
  3. Community Engagement: Participation in community discussions, activism, or volunteer work can deepen understanding and commitment to social justice.
  4. Listening and Learning: A willingness to listen to the experiences of others, particularly those from marginalized backgrounds, is crucial for developing a comprehensive understanding of social issues.
Critiques of "Woke"

While the concept of being woke has garnered support, it has also faced criticism. Some argue that it can lead to performative activism or create divisiveness among groups. Critics argue that the term has been co-opted and sometimes used pejoratively to dismiss legitimate concerns about social justice.

In summary, being "woke" involves a commitment to understanding and addressing social injustices, and it typically requires ongoing education, self-reflection, and engagement with diverse communities and perspectives.



Which parts of all this do you have issues with, @Gayspie?
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1. My definition of 'woke' is applying Marxist class struggle logic (majority of poor workers against minority of rich owners) to social justice struggles (minority of marginalized against majority of privileged).

2. My criticisms of 'woke' is that it strongly encourages both performative activism (feel good ideological measures that don't practically do much), and divisiveness among societal groups (women vs men, etc.).
 
Gayspie said:
1. My definition of 'woke' is applying Marxist class struggle logic (majority of poor workers against minority of rich owners) to social justice struggles (minority of marginalized against majority of privileged).

2. My criticisms of 'woke' is that it strongly encourages both performative activism (feel good ideological measures that don't practically do much), and divisiveness among societal groups (women vs men, etc.).
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So in other words you refuse to accept reality and have substituted it for an overly simplistic view of complex issues? As someone who’s identified themselves as having a disability I find it hard to believe that you can’t grasp the concept of substantive equality. Also it’s not as if there isn’t just as much if not more performative activism on your side of the coin. I think you’re a perfect example of it.
 
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Gayspie said:
1. My definition of 'woke' is applying Marxist class struggle logic (majority of poor workers against minority of rich owners) to social justice struggles (minority of marginalized against majority of privileged).

2. My criticisms of 'woke' is that it strongly encourages both performative activism (feel good ideological measures that don't practically do much), and divisiveness among societal groups (women vs men, etc.).
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So you refuse to accept what woke actually means, and pretend it's whatever allows you to exercise your own prejudices? Got it.

Why can't people be considerate of those who are marginalised and disadvantaged in society? Is kindness really so bad? That's what woke really comes down to in the end. It's not performative. It's actually giving a shit.
 
Kingston said:
So in other words you refuse to accept reality and have substituted it for an overly simplistic view of complex issues? As someone who’s identified themselves as having a disability I find it hard to believe that you can’t grasp the concept of substantive equality. Also it’s not as if there isn’t just as much if not more performative activism on your side of the coin. I think you’re a perfect example of it.
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Examples of performative activism include putting pronouns on emails and acknowledging country before meetings.

Both are tokenistic virtue signaling done by the laptop/managerial class (white collar workers) to make themselves feel good while doing nothing practical to address the real/pressing issues facing the rainbow/indigenous communities.
 
Gayspie said:
Examples of performative activism include putting pronouns on emails and acknowledging country before meetings.

Both are tokenistic virtue signaling done by the laptop/managerial class (white collar workers) to make themselves feel good while doing nothing practical to address the real/pressing issues facing the rainbow/indigenous communities.
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Authentic acknowledgment of the land and the the people of that land you are meeting on when you are meeting with first nations communities is seen as respectful. Taking the time to learn about the country and the people of the land where you are having a meeting and being thankful for past ancestors for looking after that land so it still there today is not really that difficult. It should not be tokenistic. It is only tokenistic by people who cannot be bothered or who have not bothered to take the time to understand why they are doing it.

Even written ones on websites can sound more authentic if the people who write them put a bit more effort in.
 
Both Australia and NZ are saying these Tariffs will effect the us consumers more than anyone else, and don't expect us to do the same.

www.abc.net.au

Who will carry the cost of Trump's tariffs? Here's how they work

US President Donald Trump has announced an executive order for "reciprocal tariffs" on "friend and foe". Here's what tariffs are and who pays for them.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

www.rnz.co.nz

Luxon says New Zealand won't launch reciprocal tariffs against US

New Zealand is "relatively well positioned" to weather Trump's new sweeping global tariffs according to Prime Minister Christopher Luxon.
www.rnz.co.nz www.rnz.co.nz
 
Isee said:
It is only tokenistic by people who cannot be bothered or who have not bothered to take the time to understand why they are doing it.
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It's only tokenistic or performative if you don't mean it. Like, for example, if Gayspie were to do it. This is pure projection on his part.
 
timmy said:
It's only tokenistic or performative if you don't mean it. Like, for example, if Gayspie were to do it. This is pure projection on his part.
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IDK I honestly believe his more hardline stances aren’t sincere and he just likes to spout them because he knows it’s going to get a reaction out of people and in turn himself attention. It’s why he only ever says these things and there’s rarely if ever any follow-up or elaboration. He’s not ranting and raving like the idiots who actually believe that shit do. It’s all very surface level.
 
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Kingston said:
IDK I honestly believe his more hardline stances aren’t sincere and he just likes to spout them because he knows it’s going to get a reaction out of people and in turn himself attention. It’s why he only ever says these things and there’s rarely if ever any follow-up or elaboration. He’s not ranting and raving like the idiots who actually believe that shit do. It’s all very surface level.
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you could not be further from the truth.
 
Interesting… I’d be interested to see a little more research in to what effect legalization has had on the black market/cannabis related crime. I know initially the affect was minimal as higher prices/low supply meant that the there was little motivation to access the legal market but now that things have equalized I imagine there has been some positive gains.

The article talks about the German model… IMO this is unique and is really only going to be sustainable in markets where there’s a need to control the flow or legal cannabis from in to areas where there’s still a prohibition. An open but regulated retail market should always be the goal.

theconversation.com

Cannabis retail expansion in Canada came with only a small uptick in the number of consumers

Increased usage among women and older adults during 2019-2023 seemed related more to falling prices than to the expanding number of stores.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
timmy said:
Oh jebus, this is how they came up with their mad method.

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You didn't expect they actually had anyone in office there that had a fucking clue what they were doing to come up with a calculation themselves? I doubt Trump even knows how to use a calculator let alone could work out how to use a formula.
 
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