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Connoisseur said:
I think hawaainshirt is inferring Dave was more likable at the beginning of the show because we saw a softer vulnerable side to him before he let surviving multiple evictions go to his head and started puffing his chest out, sucking up to Ryan and trying to fit in with the lads.
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I doubt any of us could begin to image what it is like being stuck inside what is essentially a compound dressed as a house. David wouldn't be the first person, male or female, to want to be liked particularly if he has come from a place of not been the popular kid.

Has everyone forgotten how many times David has been cut off mid sentence. Stop then and ask yourself how you would feel. Remember, as human beings we are all flawed, even @MADONNA.
 
Connoisseur said:
I think hawaainshirt i. inferring Dave was more likable at the beginning of the show because we saw a softer vulnerable side to him before he let surviving multiple evictions go to his head and started puffing his chest out, sucking up to Ryan and trying to fit in with the lads.
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I do not see how comfort in his surroundings, confidence in himself, and being friends with someone is negative in him, yet positive in others, including both Priya and Skye.
 
davidftw said:
People talk about "trying to fit in" like it's some sort of crime. Of course he wants to fit in, he's living with these people 24/7 for three months solid. You have to find common ground or you would go mad.
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Knock_Loudly said:
I doubt any of us could begin to image what it is like being stuck inside what is essentially a compound dressed as a house. David wouldn't be the first person, male or female, to want to be liked particularly if he has come from a place of not been the popular kid.

Has everyone forgotten how many times David has been cut off mid sentence. Stop then and ask yourself how you would feel. Remember, as human beings we are all flawed, even @MADONNA.
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Insomniac said:
I do not see how comfort in his surroundings, confidence in himself, and being friends with someone is negative in him, yet positive in others, including both Priya and Skye.
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That's true but in an effort to fit in some of his behaviour is eerily similar to what he experienced from those who ostracised him. So much so that I don't know whether the REAL Dave was the one from the early days or the version of him we're seeing right now. You may disagree but I do think he is participating in some laddish dickish things, could be Ryan's negative influence rubbing off on him who knows? Either way, I don't find him as endearing as I did in the first weeks.
 
hawaiianshirt said:
I didnt say that, but that was partly what made me want to get behind him. I still support him and it's good to see how much he's evolved.
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Ahh ok, I can see that. I've just read a few comments on this forum where they don't want to empower him, quite the opposite and it's something I can't get my head around. Thanks for explaining :)[DOUBLEPOST=1415418233][/DOUBLEPOST]
Connoisseur said:
That's true but in an effort to fit in some of his behaviour is eerily similar to what he experienced from those who ostracised him. So much so that I don't know whether the REAL Dave was the one from the early days or the version of him we're seeing right now. You may disagree but I do think he is participating in some laddish dickish things, could be Ryan's negative influence rubbing off on him who knows? Either way, I don't find him as endearing as I did in the first weeks.
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Which things, specifically?
 
Insomniac said:
Rude to every female?
Let's get specific then.
Sandra - he was lovely with her and loyal even when she wasn't. One joking banter comment when she was fishing for compliments regarding her thighs does not make him a woman hater. He does give as good as he gets which, in fact, says more to the fact that he treats them as equals rather than mollycoddling. He was extremely gracious when she wanted to give up on the pole, brought her back chocolate from the sanctuary, and supported and worried about her when she felt down. Yeah, horrible guy.
Lisa - said her boobs hung low. In a conversation with others. Why does he bear full brunt of that? When confronted he didn't interrupt and in fact is one of the only ones in there to let others speak and not interrupt. She was foul and hateful to him in the spa and afterwards he still hugged her and sorted it out. Yeah, terrible guy.
Priya - they respect each other as competitors in a game and by their own admission banter back and forth in a mutual way all the time. Equal interraction and respect. Yeah really horrible.
Skye - she was nice to him once weeks ago. Wow. Lately she's put him down, told him he has no right to be there and generally baited him. What makes you think he should not respond to that? They are different people who really have nothing in common but I fail to see how that makes HIM a bad person.

So, if you don't like him that's fine but stop assigning fake attributes and labels which, whilst inflammatory, do not actually apply to him in reality.
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I'm giving you a round of applause for this, in fact make that a standing ovation. I might even do the cha-cha too, because this ^^^^ is TRUTH.
 
Insomniac said:
Ahh ok, I can see that. I've just read a few comments on this forum where they don't want to empower him, quite the opposite and it's something I can't get my head around. Thanks for explaining :)[DOUBLEPOST=1415418233][/DOUBLEPOST]

Which things, specifically?
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Okay we don't get to see everything but from the little we've seen of them interacting I didn't appreciate Dave having a laugh at Skye's expense pretending he didn't know the word 'favours' for his own selfish amusement purposes. He was saved by Lawson interjecting and calling her a dumbarse instead but Dave did all the hard work that let to that. That's not something that a genuinely nice guy would do (make someone look foolish) just to look good in front of his boys.
 
Connoisseur said:
That's true but in an effort to fit in some of his behaviour is eerily similar to what he experienced from those who ostracised him. So much so that I don't know whether the REAL Dave was the one from the early days or the version of him we're seeing right now. You may disagree but I do think he is participating in some laddish dickish things, could be Ryan's negative influence rubbing off on him who knows? Either way, I don't find him as endearing as I did in the first weeks.
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People aren't stagnant beings, their behaviour continually adapts. The dynamics of the group in the house are always changing. Upon every eviction, and every new entry. With less people in the group it may be easier to be heard, or create friendships, or find time to develop that common ground that enables bonding and understanding. Try infiltrating a group of friends that already know each other, it's near impossible. David was left floating on the outer early due to Lisa and her SaggyTits vendetta. As a person she came across so overpowering and to some, just overwhelming. The sheep all followed for fear of being the one next to bear her wrath. And what's awesome is that David still triumphed, he outplayed them all. He didn't even need them. And that's what winning this game should be all about. Getting to the end alongside all your friends, that's easy. Try doing it with no one, he deserves props for that.
 
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Connoisseur said:
Okay we don't get to see everything but from the little we've seen of them interacting I didn't appreciate Dave having a laugh at Skye's expense pretending he didn't know the word 'favours' for his own selfish amusement purposes
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He was laughing because they all knew she was doing it for camera time. (which she got)

She knew the word but pretended that she didn't.
 
Connoisseur said:
Okay we don't get to see everything but from the little we've seen of them interacting I didn't appreciate Dave having a laugh at Skye's expense pretending he didn't know the word 'favours' for his own selfish amusement purposes. He was saved by Lawson interjecting and calling her a dumbarse instead but Dave did all the hard work that let to that. That's not something that a genuinely nice guy would do (make someone look foolish) just to look good in front of his boys.
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I think people interpret things differently, you see things from Skye's perspective there, I saw her baiting him and trying to get a reaction. It's all opinion. Just for the record, I don't expect that any of them will say or do what I think they should do 100% of the time, and I form my opinions on what I see overall, just like everyone is entitled to do.
 
Connoisseur said:
Okay we don't get to see everything but from the little we've seen of them interacting I didn't appreciate Dave having a laugh at Skye's expense pretending he didn't know the word 'favours' for his own selfish amusement purposes. He was saved by Lawson interjecting and calling her a dumbarse instead but Dave did all the hard work that let to that. That's not something that a genuinely nice guy would do (make someone look foolish) just to look good in front of his boys.
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Ok so you don't like David having a laugh a Skyes expense (but she was playing along with it until Lawson butted in) - fair enough...........BUT
Why not the same outrage for Skye telling David numerous times that she doesn't want him in the BB House, why is he still in the BB House, that she doesn't like him.
Skye is no innocent being picked on by big, bad, meanie David.
 
Connoisseur said:
That's true but in an effort to fit in some of his behaviour is eerily similar to what he experienced from those who ostracised him. So much so that I don't know whether the REAL Dave was the one from the early days or the version of him we're seeing right now. You may disagree but I do think he is participating in some laddish dickish things, could be Ryan's negative influence rubbing off on him who knows? Either way, I don't find him as endearing as I did in the first weeks.
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That is a fair point. He does seem more 'cocky' or "laddish" but I still like him. I don't know how I would behave in this instance. I would probably go all alpha given half the chance! LOL
 
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