Butterfly_Wings
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As opposed to the the wogs from Oakleigh? Seriously can you get any more stereotypical!!
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beardymac
john might've been the walrus, but paul was a cat
Awks, Travie is from the south-west.
And he sounds nothing like the Northern Suburbs wogs I know.
So
is that ok to say in Australia? In the U.S. those kind of labels can cause problems. Like the Snookie contingent were called "Guidos" by some people, but it is a really rude thing to say.
Shackles
The pen is mightier than the sword.
"Wog" is very appropriate in here. We call each other that word. It's not offensive or rude. It's pretty much an 'ethnicity' label than a derogatory term really.
America is offended at everything.
Yeah, labeling people with a term based on ethnicity is not acceptable, unless you are part of that ethnicity sometimes. Outsiders can't use it without offending people. I know an Italian family who might teasingly call each other Guido but if I did it, it would be rude."Wog" is very appropriate in here. We call each other that word. It's not offensive or rude. It's pretty much an 'ethnicity' label than a derogatory term really.
America is offended at everything.
I've learned not to joke about this stuff with anyone. I'm as Caucasian as possible and my relatives came to Boston not long after the Mayflower. It's easy for me to offend people.
brontozor
Active Member
He's a typical overblown,intellectually challenged gym jock, I see lots of them at the gym...god's gift to women .
Shackles
The pen is mightier than the sword.
No, in here 'outsiders' can call us wogs. It won't offend us. Okay, maybe "you frigging wog" might sound rude, but it's okay to say "he's a wog, yeah" or something in the likes.
Btw, wogs are "as Caucasian as possible" too. The term "Caucasian" isn't just for Northern European folks. Hell, the Caucasian region borders Middle East and Eastern Europe. So, if you want, I guess the people there would be "more" Caucasian.
Maybe in America 'guido' is not a nice word, I don't know.
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reginageorge
The Bitch Is Here
travis is as wog as my big toe, he is clearly an aussie boy with a little bit of italian running through the veins (hence dark features)
Butterfly_Wings
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Hi Rose. The term 'wog' was used as a derogatory term and was very racist in Australia in the 60's to 80's. It was used to describe people who migrated to Australia from Southern European countries mainly such as Greece and Italy. Wog meaning germ. It wasn't until recent around the mid to late 80's that the word 'wog' was claimed back by those taunted by the name and made it their own. Kind of like the 'n' word in the U.S. It has now become acceptable for 'wogs' to call each other 'wogs' as a term of endearment. However it can still be a racist term if used in a stereotypical and/or negative way. Eg typical wog; or you bloody wog etc.
So yes you can still offend people with this term if you intend to put them down.
Thanks for this explanation. I know with my close friends who are Italian, I asked if some other friend was a Guido, trying to understand the term, and they all just started at me and said ,"you can't say that. " even though I intended no offense at all, and I thought it was an ok thing to say because they joke about it all the time (the college aged kids do.)
Like I said, I've learned not to use any slang term to describe an ethnic group, I just can't use it without being offensive.[DOUBLEPOST=1411655149][/DOUBLEPOST]
Thanks for this explanation. I know with my close friends who are Italian, I asked if some other friend was a Guido, trying to understand the term, and they all just started at me and said ,"you can't say that. " even though I intended no offense at all, and I thought it was an ok thing to say because they joke about it all the time (the college aged kids do.)
Like I said, I've learned not to use any slang term to describe an ethnic group, I just can't use it without being offensive.
glamourama
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Woah, everyone calm the farm.
Everyone will have a different take on Travis and the way he talks, especially depending where you are from.
People in Australia do have different accents/dialect depending what area they are from. The 'Adelaide' accent etc.
I can definitely hear a slight accent in Travis but hey that's probably because I'm from Sydney. To me he just talks like most guys his age.
Everyone will have a different take on Travis and the way he talks, especially depending where you are from.
People in Australia do have different accents/dialect depending what area they are from. The 'Adelaide' accent etc.
I can definitely hear a slight accent in Travis but hey that's probably because I'm from Sydney. To me he just talks like most guys his age.
twoone12
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Actually I didn't say anything about where he's from, I live in the northern suburbs of melb and I think he sounds like those who I socialise with. No need to get cut lol
It is so interesting to me because all the accents sound the same. I want to learn the difference.
According to The Herald Sun in Melbourne (linked in the "media" thread); Travvy is from Altona/Altona "North" (North of Altona geographically puts him on the freeway - we could only hope... -; but maybe they meant "Yarraville"; which is slightly more trendy/gentrified.
I'm a Melbournian since birth; Altona/north/south (hi Bass Straight/Tassie -- hell, have I started something? Tassie is Altona South?)/east/west - Altona has been dissed for years as a pleburb. Deservedly or not; it's not had the best rep. But; still has one of the (ahem) nicer beaches in the West of Melbourne.
I'm a Melbournian since birth; Altona/north/south (hi Bass Straight/Tassie -- hell, have I started something? Tassie is Altona South?)/east/west - Altona has been dissed for years as a pleburb. Deservedly or not; it's not had the best rep. But; still has one of the (ahem) nicer beaches in the West of Melbourne.
Lol I have lived in Oakleigh for a very long time.
I probably could stereotype further if you wanted me too, going into types... Greek, Italian.... South Eastern Suburbs... Western.. North. Lol
Not really any point getting upset. No one is being stereotypical or racist.. Just nitpicking Travis' accent and lack of IQ.
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Poxy
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I saw Wogs Out of Work. You can defend yourself by making fun of the sterotype.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wogs_Out_of_Work
And Guido is a similar slang term for Italian American. http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theguido.jpg
The first in the "guido genre" was Growing up Gotti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Up_Gotti
Jersey Shore cemented the guido genre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wogs_Out_of_Work
And Guido is a similar slang term for Italian American. http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theguido.jpg
The first in the "guido genre" was Growing up Gotti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Up_Gotti
Jersey Shore cemented the guido genre.
Butterfly_Wings
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I grew up in Oakleigh and now live in the northern suburbs. I've met all types and there is great diversity within 2nd and 3rd generation greeek/italian aussies. However none remind me of Travis accent which is distinct. I still think it's a cocky boganish, footy type. Like I said somewhere else Ed had a bit of it too.Lol I have lived in Oakleigh for a very long time.
I probably could stereotype further if you wanted me too, going into types... Greek, Italian.... South Eastern Suburbs... Western.. North. Lol
Not really any point getting upset. No one is being stereotypical or racist.. Just nitpicking Travis' accent and lack of IQ.
I normally don't get upset about it but it brought back memories of being mocked growing up and being put into a 'group' just based on where my parents came from. So I apologise for getting a bit upset.
Butterfly_Wings
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Wogs out of work was the start of 'wogs' being able to reclaim the term and take the offense out of it. Sadly people still put you down with the term even today. I think you'll find Guido may be seem even more offensive if used by someone who's NOT italian american.
Butterfly_Wings
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Just brought back bad memories of my childhood in the 7os.
Travis has an 'accent' of sorts - I can hear that clearly. To me it's not typical of Melbourne -north, south, east or west. I'd say it's unique to Travis. Show pony, AFL footy culture, blokey and who knows what else.