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Benjamin HM 2012 - Officially joins Behind Big Brother.

TALENTstanner said:
So being critical of Ben's disgusting and vile bullying is somehow considering as "displaying the same behaviour that your complaining about"? No. It's trying to get some answers on why he bullied people. And answers like "i saw someone in a movie do it" does not cut the mustard.
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I think it is important to remember that “we” as posters and BB watchers weren't the victim here.

Some of you seem to be processing the hurt as if it is your own, and it is important to remember it isn’t your story. I understand to those in here who have endured bullying, watching 2012 unfold may have brought up bad memories, but it is important to remember, Ben isn’t your bully. By transferring your hurt and experience to him helps no one. Not you, not Ben, not anyone.

This situation involved Ben and his fellow housemates, and from what I have seen on Twitter they all appear to be happy and living their dreams and get on well. And yet here we are, two years on sitting in a forum fighting with people we don’t know about a situation that didn’t personally affect us.

It is 50 Shades of Cray Cray!

If you don’t like Ben to the point being around him causes you to mentally implode, avoid the thread, because ultimately he doesn’t owe us a thing in way of explanation. The fact he provided one further demonstrates to me that he is a good egg.
 
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Lucas said:
Great post :) though some parts seemed a bit condescending but that's ok :p Believe it or not that season really did have a bad effect on me. Even if it's "just" a TV show. But anyway I said my piece now and I think I needed to vent.
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I really didn't mean to sound condescending. So sorry if you took it that way.

I see that season had a profound effect on you, and it made me feel really sad seeing you so upset.

It helps sometimes to remember good people make bad choices and inadvertently hurt the ones they love, or upset kind and loving people. That doesn't make them a monster, it just makes them human. It is how you respond on reflection of your bad behaviour that decides whether you are a monster or not. From what I have seen post BB season, Ben is not a monster. He is just a good guy who fucks up just like the rest of us.

Have a good day, and thanks for making me think. I do like a bit of healthy debate!

For you ----> :)
 
silkworm said:
Telling someone to seek help can be considered a form of bullying. There is nothing wrong with what Talentstanner is saying. In fact, I admire him for his criticism of Ben's behaviour.
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I have to agree in regards to Instantalent sharing his opinion.

While I don't always agree with what he says, I admire his directness, the passion in which he speaks and the fact he doesn't sugar coat what he thinks. They are all great qualities in my book. So well done Instantalent!

Opinions are to be shared and celebrated, particularly in a forum! They add spice and provide an alternate view and experience.
 
Lottie said:
Except we ARE being told that if we don't like Ben to simply not post and "move on".
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Fair point.

I agree that everyone has a right to the opinion, but in the wise words of that goddamn movie that everyone keeps referencing, you need to "let it go".

Lucas said:
Great post :) though some parts seemed a bit condescending but that's ok :p Believe it or not that season really did have a bad effect on me. Even if it's "just" a TV show. But anyway I said my piece now and I think I needed to vent.

I went crazy didn't I?


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:rolleyes: Umm... No. I didn't want to hurt Ben's feelings at all. I realise he is a human being and yes we all make mistakes. I did hesitate saying some of the things I did say because I knew it was a bit harsh on him. But he could dish it out so surely he could take it? I questioned his behaviour and I needed to vent. He did upset a lot of people on the show. And there is a phrase "Bad things happen when good people do nothing".

Another thing to point out is that this place is a Big Brother fan forum and he should be aware that not everyone would have liked his behaviour in the house especially being a "controversial" winner. Even he admits his behaviour was a bit bad.

It was not my intent to "bully" Ben. I was questioning posters on why they supported Ben because I couldn't see in my opinion how the bad behaviour outweighed the good. The 2012 season made me very uncomfortable the way the housemates treated Estelle. And I believe that year of Big Brother was ruined. @Trala has made a brilliant reply with some good points. Those helped me understand the other point of view better.

The posters I should apologise to is @LoveBB and @Tahan. I was really rude to them and at the time peed off because I was told to "get over it".

I am truly sorry @LoveBB and @Tahan. :happy:

And I am sorry to Ben if he did get hurt by my posts. I don't want to hurt your feelings at all. I am sorry :happy:.
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All good mate, none taken. I had my fair share of crazy moments last season when I was trying to defend Ed against all odds. It's why I don't take these things too seriously and remain cool as a cucumber.
 
marquisite said:
Ok @Benjamin2012HM really is legit, he's not an imposter.

I'm saying this before this topic gets out of hand, can we please think before we post. like or dislike him you're welcome to post. But right here you have got an opportunity to ask an ex-housemate about the 2012 series (and what we didn't see), plus someone who interviews Alex for Big Brother thus another chance to get your BB2014 questions answered.
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I'm re-posting this again in the hope that the thread can get back on track and that those of you who feel the necessity to personally abuse this guy (some over and over again with the same vitriol) can think before you post.

I would be surprised, at this point, if @Benjamin2012HM bothers to sift through the rubble to answer any of the questions. :(
 
Thank you very much to the small amount of people who have defended me in my right to voice my opinion.

Here is the crux of it.

Ben came onto this forum to come with the knowledge that he would be asked questions re: his time in the Big Brother house and we have asked the questions and received (some) answers in re: to his behaviour on the show. I don't find his answers acceptable. Bullying is not a light issue that can be excused with "i saw someone do it on a movie" and "i did it to fit in with the alpha males". I mean what kind of person runs around the house saying "i will destroy such and such", throwing glasses of water in peoples faces, reducing young girls 10 years his junior to TEARS and making people feel ostracized? As grown adults we should CONDEMN this behaviour but instead a lot of you are brushing it off and excusing it as being in the past and mostly because you are just so happy that a z grade celebrity is talking to you on a forum. I will CONTINUE to be a broken record until there is some proper justification or remorse for the behaviour that was exhibited in the Big Brother house. If Ben doesn't like it then he can go back to twitter where he has blocked me. This isn't a fan forum of Ben, this is a fan forum for Big Brother...a TV show HE decided to go on and be a vile bitchy queen.

Over and out.
 
He's certainly not a queen. He's a king who happens to be engaged to another king.

Yes, we should condemn this behavior. But think about it, first. What if it were you inside the house? How would you react? Cut off from your friends and family, the entire outside world. We can talk about what we'd do, but we're living inside the fantasies we create for ourselves. Ben actually lived through that. He came to live with 15 other strangers for three months or so for a chance to create a new society and perhaps win something. All you can do is do your best inside the house to be interesting and entertaining just so Australia votes to save you week after week. That is what Ben did.

Do you suppose that some of his behaviors are normal, that he really acts this way in real life? I don't think so. He was there to fill a role, and he did it. He was rewarded with the title of winner, $250K, and a car.

I think Jesus said it best. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
 
DigitalCorp said:
He's certainly not a queen. He's a king who happens to be engaged to another king.

Yes, we should condemn this behavior. But think about it, first. What if it were you inside the house? How would you react? Cut off from your friends and family, the entire outside world. We can talk about what we'd do, but we're living inside the fantasies we create for ourselves. Ben actually lived through that. He came to live with 15 other strangers for three months or so for a chance to create a new society and perhaps win something. All you can do is do your best inside the house to be interesting and entertaining just so Australia votes to save you week after week. That is what Ben did.

Do you suppose that some of his behaviors are normal, that he really acts this way in real life? I don't think so. He was there to fill a role, and he did it. He was rewarded with the title of winner, $250K, and a car.

I think Jesus said it best. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
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I've MET Ben and I saw a self entitled narcissistic diva queen who thought he was too good for the event he had been billed to promote (a gay charity event). Had I not met him and just seen him on TV then I would have assumed it was all an act and possibly not have felt this strongly.
 
The posts above by @Trala are it in a well thought out, compassionate and well written nutshell. Perfectly said.

Even if you weren't my friend I would want to hump your leg! :joyful:
 
LoveBB said:
I would be surprised, at this point, if @Benjamin2012HM bothers to sift through the rubble to answer any of the questions. :(
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Well then I'm going to repost mine again just in case as I'd really like to hear his responses, especially to #1. I would've asked the same of Tim but he hasn't watched his season yet and I'm *pretty sure* I read on here somewhere that Ben has. We get robbed of so much content as it is, especially this year, so I'd love if Ben can put some context around anything he chooses or even just share a funny bit that never made it on air.

Hey @Benjamin2012HM I have two questions for you:

1. With so much talk this year about "editing" and reality contestants complaining about this - as in whole stories not being shown, things being aired out of sequence, etc - what would you most like us to know about you that we didn't get to see from '12?

2. Since we've been jacked of live updates this year - again something I hope you address on Scoopla - with the limited knowledge of the HMs we've been given so far, who do you pick as your choice for the winner? I have $50 on Skye now on great odds and feel like none of the males stand a chance but am curious to know who you'd put your $50 on today.
 
TALENTstanner said:
I've MET Ben and I saw a self entitled narcissistic diva queen who thought he was too good for the event he had been billed to promote (a gay charity event). Had I not met him and just seen him on TV then I would have assumed it was all an act and possibly not have felt this strongly.
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I'm sorry you had that experience. The only contact I've had with him is through FB. Sure, sometimes he doesn't answer all my messages like I had hoped he would, but he has given me a bit of insight on BBAU.

The main point is, we should not be attacking him when he has so graciously agreed to join this forum and take questions. You may think he's a queen, but please don't ruin it for the rest of us.
 
DigitalCorp said:
He's certainly not a queen. He's a king who happens to be engaged to another king.

Yes, we should condemn this behavior. But think about it, first. What if it were you inside the house? How would you react? Cut off from your friends and family, the entire outside world. We can talk about what we'd do, but we're living inside the fantasies we create for ourselves. Ben actually lived through that. He came to live with 15 other strangers for three months or so for a chance to create a new society and perhaps win something. All you can do is do your best inside the house to be interesting and entertaining just so Australia votes to save you week after week. That is what Ben did.

Do you suppose that some of his behaviors are normal, that he really acts this way in real life? I don't think so. He was there to fill a role, and he did it. He was rewarded with the title of winner, $250K, and a car.

I think Jesus said it best. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
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I think "condemn" might be a little strong in judgement. He didn't exactly kill anyone and drink their blood.

Always be careful when quoting Jesus to promote peace, if anyone can start a good war it is Jesus, look no further than Israel for proof of that.
 
If Ben fans (Benjamites or whatever you have coined yourselves) don't like the ongoing criticism then they are free to make a fan forum and invite Ben over to it and ban all the Ben haters and then you can all suck up to Ben and suck up each others awesomeness. I just hope if it comes to fruition that you're not TOO nice to him. We've seen how he takes advantage of nice people.
 
TALENTstanner said:
Thank you very much to the small amount of people who have defended me in my right to voice my opinion.

Here is the crux of it.

Ben came onto this forum to come with the knowledge that he would be asked questions re: his time in the Big Brother house and we have asked the questions and received (some) answers in re: to his behaviour on the show. I don't find his answers acceptable. Bullying is not a light issue that can be excused with "i saw someone do it on a movie" and "i did it to fit in with the alpha males". I mean what kind of person runs around the house saying "i will destroy such and such", throwing glasses of water in peoples faces, reducing young girls 10 years his junior to TEARS and making people feel ostracized? As grown adults we should CONDEMN this behaviour but instead a lot of you are brushing it off and excusing it as being in the past and mostly because you are just so happy that a z grade celebrity is talking to you on a forum. I will CONTINUE to be a broken record until there is some proper justification or remorse for the behaviour that was exhibited in the Big Brother house. If Ben doesn't like it then he can go back to twitter where he has blocked me. This isn't a fan forum of Ben, this is a fan forum for Big Brother...a TV show HE decided to go on and be a vile bitchy queen.

Over and out.
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I kind of agree with a little bit of what you have said about Bens behaviour. But, The thing is it's a television show that is filmed 24 hours a day and we, if we are lucky only get to see maybe an hour of it. Only god knows what goes on in the footage that we don't see.
Your opinions are valid, but you don't have to attack somebody, cause that doesn't make it right. You have to remember it was two years ago and he never killed anybody.
 
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