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Just wondering.....does Australia have the terrorism problem that we do in the US? I mean this as domestic and foreign terrorism. We had a shooting at LAX (LA airport) today and I'm sure as shit sick of this garbage. You guys aren't big on guns their are you?

We have bikie wars but no we aren't big on guns here. It really amazes me that you can just walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US as easily as buying a loaf of bread practically. We have such strict laws on gun ownership here. Usually when someone is shot, it's either for a reason (gang wars) or a hunting accident.
 
Just wondering.....does Australia have the terrorism problem that we do in the US? I mean this as domestic and foreign terrorism. We had a shooting at LAX (LA airport) today and I'm sure as shit sick of this garbage. You guys aren't big on guns their are you?

As allies, we have threats, they hate us too - but nothing has ever come of any threats here, since 9/11 stuff escalated threats and security - still we haven't had any terrorists here so far.

We have some of the toughest gun laws in the world. Since this:

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996, was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic Port Arthur prison ...

Prime Minister John Howard immediately took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence[15] and forced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.

Since the gun laws were enacted - no more massacres

We do not understand why America loves guns, and why children can't be protected.
 
As allies, we have threats, they hate us too - but nothing has ever come of any threats here, since 9/11 stuff escalated threats and security - still we haven't had any terrorists here so far.

We have some of the toughest gun laws in the world. Since this:

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996, was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic Port Arthur prison ...

Prime Minister John Howard immediately took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence[15] and forced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.

Since the gun laws were enacted - no more massacres

We do not understand why America loves guns, and why children can't be protected.

We've had mass shootings for years but no recent changes to the gun law that I'm aware of. Each state has their own procedure on how you can obtain a gun. Nothing really hard. I purchased one and it only took 10 mins to run my name and check me out. This is post 9-11. That's scary. Not that I'm a threat but that it didn't take long at all. Some states have waiting periods but not all. I think the last real gun laws to go down in our country was after our president at the time (Reagan) was shot. We did have a ban on auto assault weapons but it expired and no one bothered to extend it. This douchebag today strolled into LAX with an assault rifle in a bag and then busted it out killing one TSA agent and wounding 3 others. Surprisingly, they took him alive. That's rare. Now I'm watching the news and some dumbass is saying that TSA agents need to be armed. Yeah, cause more guns is always the answer. :eyeroll:
They will never ban guns here. People would freak. I just wish they would tighten up the laws to make it harder for any schmo to walk off the street and get one.
 
Just wondering.....does Australia have the terrorism problem that we do in the US? I mean this as domestic and foreign terrorism. We had a shooting at LAX (LA airport) today and I'm sure as shit sick of this garbage. You guys aren't big on guns their are you?

We haven't had any bombings/terrorist attacks on Australian soil since the late 80s. We've had a few bombings targeting Australians in Indonesia, such as the Jakarta Embassy bombing in 2004 where 9 Indonesians were killed but no Australians. Our worst indirect terrorist attack was the Bali Bombings in 2002 which killed 202 people 88 of whom where Australians (Bali is a big Australian holiday spot).

As for guns like [MENTION=899]kxk[/MENTION] said not since Port Arthur have we had any massacres (4 or more people killed) other than the occasional gang/bikkie shooting which is always a huge shocking news story. I think you'd be hard done by to find any real support for relaxing gun laws in fact most people would be happy for them to be tightened. I've never seen a gun in my life and I've never felt any less safe.

You should watch the mini doco The Daily Show did on our gun reforms.

[video=youtube;9pOiOhxujsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/video]
 
We haven't had any bombings/terrorist attacks on Australian soil since the late 80s. We've had a few bombings targeting Australians in Indonesia, such as the Jakarta Embassy bombing in 2004 where 9 Indonesians were killed but no Australians. Our worst indirect terrorist attack was the Bali Bombings in 2002 which killed 202 people 88 of whom where Australians (Bali is a big Australian holiday spot).

As for guns like [MENTION=899]kxk[/MENTION] said not since Port Arthur have we had any massacres (4 or more people killed) other than the occasional gang/bikkie shooting which is always a huge shocking news story. I think you'd be hard done by to find any real support for relaxing gun laws in fact most people would be happy for them to be tightened. I've never seen a gun in my life and I've never felt any less safe.

You should watch the mini doco The Daily Show did on our gun reforms.

[video=youtube;9pOiOhxujsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/video]

Whoopty do!!!! LOL That video is great. Love the Daily Show. Yeah, we have tons of people like that guy (and worse) in the States. 2nd amendment and 'Murica!!!! It's nuts.
 
They will never ban guns here. People would freak. I just wish they would tighten up the laws to make it harder for any schmo to walk off the street and get one.

The NRA is right up there with the banking industry when it comes to running this country, you are correct. The only thing we can do is movetoamend.org
 
We do not understand why America loves guns, and why children can't be protected.

Neither do I!

The ridiculous thing is 80% of Americans are for expanded background checks, but one of our political parties refuses to pass a bill.
 
Neither do I!

The ridiculous thing is 80% of Americans are for expanded background checks, but one of our political parties refuses to pass a bill.

Don't kid yourself honey, it's both of them. One may be significantly worse, but they're both bought and paid for by the same corporations.
 
Based on conversations I've had with Americans on other forums, I think (amateur sociology coming!) a lot of it comes down to the US coming from a civil war background, which is something Australia doesn't have. I've had friends on other forums talk about why they don't want their government taking guns from them, about powerlessness and how they're uncomfortable with having an armed government and an unarmed populace. I don't pretend to know much about the American Civil War but...is that division still a thing, on some level? And this is all technically true admittedly, I mean maybe one day that will be a problem for us, but we've also never in Australia experienced a government we needed to defend ourselves from, or a division that wide.

More complex though I think is there's a bit of a Pandora's Box effect with guns for two reasons.
Firstly, I think the gun laws in Australia were only controversial for about a minute because it's easier to tell someone you can't have something, that to take something off someone, if that makes sense. Silly metaphor: if I don't have any donuts and someone bans me from having donuts, I've only lost a possibility, but if I have donuts then I'm actually losing something, it hurts more. So yeah it's easier to institute bans of some measure before the fact, but after the fact gets tricky.
Secondly, I believe our gun crime is quite low - when it does happen it's often within criminal ranks, a la the Melbourne gangland shootings - so a self-defence argument over here doesn't go down so well, it doesn't seem as relevant. Certainly I've never in my lifetime had a friend who owned a gun. All that sort of stuff has a murky chicken and egg relationship though.

So yeah I've never gotten on a high horse about this sort of thing because a) I think we were very lucky to have caught it early; and b) even with our western similarities, I think our situations and histories are quite different.

By the way: most interesting thread ever!
 
Just wondering.....does Australia have the terrorism problem that we do in the US? I mean this as domestic and foreign terrorism. We had a shooting at LAX (LA airport) today and I'm sure as shit sick of this garbage. You guys aren't big on guns their are you?

What terrorism problem? What's the LAX shooting got to do with terrorism?

[video=youtube;r42oejmpkgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw[/video]

Former US Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld greeting Saddam Hussein
 
Based on conversations I've had with Americans on other forums, I think (amateur sociology coming!) a lot of it comes down to the US coming from a civil war background, which is something Australia doesn't have. I've had friends on other forums talk about why they don't want their government taking guns from them, about powerlessness and how they're uncomfortable with having an armed government and an unarmed populace. I don't pretend to know much about the American Civil War but...is that division still a thing, on some level? And this is all technically true admittedly, I mean maybe one day that will be a problem for us, but we've also never in Australia experienced a government we needed to defend ourselves from, or a division that wide.

More complex though I think is there's a bit of a Pandora's Box effect with guns for two reasons.
Firstly, I think the gun laws in Australia were only controversial for about a minute because it's easier to tell someone you can't have something, that to take something off someone, if that makes sense. Silly metaphor: if I don't have any donuts and someone bans me from having donuts, I've only lost a possibility, but if I have donuts then I'm actually losing something, it hurts more. So yeah it's easier to institute bans of some measure before the fact, but after the fact gets tricky.
Secondly, I believe our gun crime is quite low - when it does happen it's often within criminal ranks, a la the Melbourne gangland shootings - so a self-defence argument over here doesn't go down so well, it doesn't seem as relevant. Certainly I've never in my lifetime had a friend who owned a gun. All that sort of stuff has a murky chicken and egg relationship though.

So yeah I've never gotten on a high horse about this sort of thing because a) I think we were very lucky to have caught it early; and b) even with our western similarities, I think our situations and histories are quite different.

By the way: most interesting thread ever!

Great post! It is a lot harder to lose something once you have it than when it's just a possibility. My roommate is one that loves guns. We have probably around 15 guns in my house. He's very responsible and keeps them in a safe and only shoots at ranges, but when they were debating banning guns, he was heavily against it. It would've been taking away one of his hobbies. On the other side, I personally would love to see them much more control and wouldn't mind them being taken away. I've had a gun pointed at my head by a gang when I was younger because of race and haven't been very fond of them since. Sometimes I'm scared living in this country. I don't always agree with our government or trust their choices & am aware we're disliked by some.

Also, thanks for filling me in on froth. Also never heard that term for beer before!

Before the season ends, I also want to thank you all for your perspectives. It's been great getting to know you all and learn about Australian culture in the process.
 
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Last night I could not sleep and I saw the Lax story on the net and started going thru videos on YouTube and came across this one. It is very long but when you have time you might want to watch it.
I think another reason that America has all these shooting is not just because of how easy it is to get a gun (that plays a part) but the fact that Americans take alot of prescription drugs. I would never in my life ever consider taking any anti depressant even if a doctor recommend I take it. Even when I have period pain which effects me very badly I only take a pandol as a last resort. I believe that Prescription drugs are poison and do horrible thing to your brain and organs.

I found this link asking whether there is a connection between prescription drugs and gun violence.

http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-...een-psychiatric-medication-and-mass-shootings
 
about guns in australia and funny!
3 parts in order
[video=youtube;9pOiOhxujsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/video]
 
[video=youtube;TYbY45rHj8w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w[/video]
 
[video=youtube;mVuspKSjfgA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA[/video]
 
What terrorism problem? What's the LAX shooting got to do with terrorism?

[video=youtube;r42oejmpkgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw[/video]

Former US Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld greeting Saddam Hussein

Saddam was given the key to the city of Detroit in 1980, according to QI last week.
 
I was going to ask on here what Australia's laws on abortion were like, then decided it would just be more efficient to look it up... wow


Just wow

Very progressive, I'm highly impressed. Some politicians here are trying to outlaw them by making them extremely difficult to get/give with outlandish unnecessary requirements.
 
I was going to ask on here what Australia's laws on abortion were like, then decided it would just be more efficient to look it up... wow

Just wow

Very progressive, I'm highly impressed. Some politicians here are trying to outlaw them by making them extremely difficult to get/give with outlandish unnecessary requirements.

Abortion in Australia is virtually free & "on demand". Its a minor political issue.

Australia also has universal health care, welfare for life, a self-funded retirement savings system, and low government debt by international standards. Small countries cant afford to do the crazy things the US does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Government_Future_Fund
 
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