Dystopia
Flying so high..
This is both, funny and most likely true.
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TIM-ED argument transcript...and WHY did it start?
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This is both, funny and most likely true.
Fair enough calling someone an idiot is a bit childish but for fuck sake man grow some balls. Hurt and victimised? How embarrassing for this fully grown man, AFL player and holder of cards. He continuously bitches about tim. ALL THE FUCKING TIME and then tries to project that tim is threatened by him. Tim is just a clown, he has fun with everyone and at everyones expense including his own. Ed just looked like a total buffoon to me. He has aligned himself with jade and mikkayla only because he has no one else left, even if it means giving into to jades advances. He coupled up because it will benefit him but throws judgements around about the way tim is playing. At least Tim isn't going to leave a girl broken hearted at the end of this. Who's the real dick?
Ed: "Exactly what you do. You don't- you feel threatened by for some reason. And you feel as if you can make me feel--
Tim: "I do NOT feel threatened by you, Ed--"
Ed: "Well, Tim--"
Tim [cont]: "--THAT is the joke of this all: that I don't!"
Ed: "Well- Tim!"
Tim [cont]: "I don't need your validation at all."
Ed: "Tim, I have mates that are exactly have the same interests as you, work in the exact same thing, exactly studying what you're studying. You know nothing about me. That's what, in this whole thing, is so funny. You pass judgement upon me, whether you admit it or not."
Tim: "It's not about what we do for a job or what I'm interested in."
Ed: "No. It's who you are as a person. We- we've had this underlying... whatever it is, and that's fine, but--
Tim: "I just--"
Ed [cont]: "-- what it gets back to is, tonight, you think that, because of your underlying tone. I guess, I think that because my underlying tone with you, and the only reason that it makes it a bigger issue at times--"
I think this part makes ed look bad. real bad. First he was dead wrong and tim was so cool and amused by the thought of being "threatened" that you could tell he meant it. He's not threatened by ed at all. He says that he knows people like tim because they have the same interests and study the same thing so he knows all about tim but that tim has no idea who ed is.....i thought that was so subtly insulting, you kind of know what he meant without really saying it. And it was so juvenile. And he keeps saying "that's fine" even though he is complaining whinging and crying over it....it's not fine ed......if it's fine then please shut up.
he's all talk, he huffs and puffs to the girls and then folded like a pack of cards (hahahaha that's funny)....and how about tim picking up on ed's "smoking gun".....very perceptive. (edit: so yes i agree that this was eds card)
Everyone pays ed out about the way he communicates but it really stood out in this argument...he doesn't finish his own sentences, he cuts off everything tim says because he doesn't want to hear it, he's not interested in tims side and made it clear. He didn't care that tim said "you made me feel like an idiot so i lashed out at you"(adlibbing)...all he cared about was that "you don't call someone an idiot, do you think that's ok". He completely lost me on this argument. I have thought he was ok before, a little obsessed by tim perhaps, but getting his knickers in a knot over what tim said shows he is big time intimidated and a fucking sook. Tim is under his skin more than he even knows.
Ed: "Exactly what you do. You don't- you feel threatened by for some reason. And you feel as if you can make me feel--
Tim: "I do NOT feel threatened by you, Ed--"
Ed: "Well, Tim--"
Tim [cont]: "--THAT is the joke of this all: that I don't!"
Ed: "Well- Tim!"
Tim [cont]: "I don't need your validation at all."
Ed: "Tim, I have mates that are exactly have the same interests as you, work in the exact same thing, exactly studying what you're studying. You know nothing about me. That's what, in this whole thing, is so funny. You pass judgement upon me, whether you admit it or not."
Tim: "It's not about what we do for a job or what I'm interested in."
Ed: "No. It's who you are as a person. We- we've had this underlying... whatever it is, and that's fine, but--
Tim: "I just--"
Ed [cont]: "-- what it gets back to is, tonight, you think that, because of your underlying tone. I guess, I think that because my underlying tone with you, and the only reason that it makes it a bigger issue at times--"
I think this part makes ed look bad. real bad. First he was dead wrong and tim was so cool and amused by the thought of being "threatened" that you could tell he meant it. He's not threatened by ed at all. He says that he knows people like tim because they have the same interests and study the same thing so he knows all about tim but that tim has no idea who ed is.....i thought that was so subtly insulting, you kind of know what he meant without really saying it. And it was so juvenile. And he keeps saying "that's fine" even though he is complaining whinging and crying over it....it's not fine ed......if it's fine then please shut up.
he's all talk, he huffs and puffs to the girls and then folded like a pack of cards (hahahaha that's funny)....and how about tim picking up on ed's "smoking gun".....very perceptive. (edit: so yes i agree that this was eds card)
Everyone pays ed out about the way he communicates but it really stood out in this argument...he doesn't finish his own sentences, he cuts off everything tim says because he doesn't want to hear it, he's not interested in tims side and made it clear. He didn't care that tim said "you made me feel like an idiot so i lashed out at you"(adlibbing)...all he cared about was that "you don't call someone an idiot, do you think that's ok". He completely lost me on this argument. I have thought he was ok before, a little obsessed by tim perhaps, but getting his knickers in a knot over what tim said shows he is big time intimidated and a fucking sook. Tim is under his skin more than he even knows.
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Melore
Tiny Member
Oh my lord. I heard the moment Tim called Ed "an idiot" in a group setting lounging by the pool, but there was just the usual babble-fluff coming out of Ed's mouth - it was on last night's daily show. Watch it if you want an idea of what preceded the ridiculous interchange later, but it wasn't (or the bit that was aired) about anything INTERESTING from what I could pick up.
Evilroyslade
Active Member
I thought Ed was just about to faint when Tim said that to him. Tim definatly has made Ed his bitch.
Dystopia
Flying so high..
I'm only quoting this part because that's exactly what Ed did a couple of days before that, when he kept throwing his drink container up in the air to cover up his insecurity.
Peverell
Not so well known Member
I happen to be at Ed's side of that argument, he hardly did anything and got called an idiot for it. Then he gets told that he needs to chill out? And going further he can't even get a word in getting cut off at every turn for the little that he has to say. Overbearing Tim!
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BBTeamHousemate
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Because they both have huge egos
hughesy17
Active Member
This part was left out of the transcript - Tim said that after what Ed said, he felt like an idiot, even like a criminal. Mike Goldman mentioned at the beginning of the argument that they were talking about a taboo subject. They were also talking about sex. I also remember something about animals. I'm sure you can put two and two together to work out what the taboo subject was.
tilliii
Active Member
Exactly. You can't side with anyone on this one cos we don't know what the argument was about. I can imagine it has something to do with Ed getting on his moral high horse and wanting to make Tim look like shit. But I could be wrong.
tilliii
Active Member
Do tell?
It was clear from the footage that none of the HM's were keen to participate in whatever Tim's suggested topic involved. Hence the comment about them all being prudes. Then he pinpointed Ed and called him an idiot. I'm guessing the topic might have been something that would somehow make others look bad/stupid/embarrassed. Tim then claimed later that he was 'just trying to get the ball rolling'... Maybe he needs to consider his audience before raising taboo topics. As Maddy said, he leads people into confrontation.
As I said before... Tim doesn't like it when his ideas aren't welcomed. He resorts to name calling: boring or stupid or idiots.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
We know they had a disagreement. I think Tim was trying to get the ball rolling in a game of some sort - and the hypothesis about it being unfamilyfriendly makes sense. Anyway, Tim, while trying to get something started was unsuccessful, and Ed said something and Tim felt stupid and self conscious and called Ed an idiot.
Ed realised he could use this breach of etiquette to expose and neuter Tim. He plans to say something about it.
Before he does this, however, Tim sees him alone and starts the conversation.
Tim: "Ed, are we cool?"
Ed: "Yeah."
Tim starts it like he is checking if they have a problem Ed lies, because he actually does have a problem but is avoiding saying anything confrontational first.
Tim: "I just felt as though you were making fun of me, that's why I--" [cutoff]
Tim explains why he called Ed an idiot, possibly this was the beginning of an apology for calling him an idiot. We wont know, because Ed cuts him off. Ed is terrified that Tim will say something reasonable that Ed will not be able to disagree with, because he is sure that all Tim is doing is trying to make him look bad. Ed is sure that any apology would be fake, and that he will be able to belittle Tim, humble him by calling him out for calling someone an idiot in a public forum.
Ed: "Nah, I was gonna speak to you tomorrow because I was just pissed off that you called me an idiot. I was just like, do you think that okay--"
Ed talks over the beginning of the apology. The nah is meaningless, but shows Ed's habitual unwillingness to talk clearly in situations where he may not come off the best, like when he was dumping Jade. Luckily, in his talks with Jade she simply fills in what she wants to hear, so that works out for them, although Ed doesn't realize that. The nah shows his confrontational stance, a rejection of the apology. He wants to point out that he is the bigger man because he was going to discuss this sensibly, tomorrow, but then his impatience and temper and the bottled rage of weeks of frustration burst out and he dives in with the you pissed me off by calling me an idiot stuff. So far, Tim has started the dialogue, tried to explain what happened and to begin an apology. Ed has lied to him, because they are not cool, cut him off mid sentence, during an apology, and tried to point out that he was made angry by Tim's inappropriate use of the word idiot when it was directed to him, Ed.
Tim: "I know. I just felt like..." [trails off]
Tim acknowledges fault, a little, but wants to justify himself
[both start talking at the same time here]
This happens a lot. It often feels like Ed feeling he knows exactly what Tim is a bout to say, or he does not want to hear what Tim wants to say. Tim thinks what he wants to say is worth saying and tries to say it, even though Ed has tried to stop that idea from coming out.
Ed: "Like, I know you--
Ed is quite obsessed with the idea that he sees through Tim in a way no one else can, and he somehow thinks that he will be able to humble him.
Tim [contd from above]: "...whether you understood what I was saying or not--
Tim is a narcissist and wants to be sure that the person he is talking to is thinking the way Tim does, or at least is thinking about Tim, or is considering Tim's position.
Ed [over the top of Tim]: "No. That--"
Ed negates Tim again, and refuses to let him speak, acting as if Tim has said something wrong.
Tim [contd from above.]: "-- you made me feel like an idiot in front of everyone and I was just trying to
get the ball rolling--" [cut off]
Tim finally gets out his explanation for calling him an idiot.
Ed: "You called me an idiot. And I was just like "Are you being serious?""
Ed ignores that Tim is explaining himself and could be in the middle of an apology, he really wants Tim to feel bad for being such an ungentlemanly person as to call somebody an idiot. He does not consider TTim's reason at all, not for one second. It is irrelevant, all that is important is making Tim feel bad for doing it and taking him down a few pegs.
Tim: "Because you were make- I was like "Why are you doing this?" like--"
Tim is trying to direct Ed's thoughts to the fact that Ed had made Tim feel like a fool while he was in front of everyone.
Ed: "Nah. Like, I'm not saying that. I just think--"
The Nah once again says 'No, Tim, you are wrong,' and the second part is because Tim is trying to make the conversation be a bout how he felt nad why he said what he did, when Ed wants it to be about showing how he knows what Tim is up to and that he can't just go around thinking he can call people idiots. He does not care how Tim was feeling when he said it. He wants to use this chance to belittle Tim.
Tim [contd from above]: ""Why?" When I'm just trying to get the ball rolling, being vulnerable, you're
making me feel like a fool--" [cut off. Ed talks over the part after 'vulnerable']
Tim is painting himself as the victim, but if you are trying to entertain a group of people and start up a social game and someone makes you feel a goose then you do feel vulnerable, so I don't think this is ALL gameplay, but some of it is. When he called Ed an idiot, it was because Ed was hindering what he wanted to do, which was start a group game with everyone there.
Ed: "No. No you- you weren't, at all. I- I felt as if you just- you just pointed me out and I felt victimized,
on the point of, well, I'm not the one saying it. Everyone was saying it. So why just point out--"
Ed once again negates what Tim said. He invalidates it. I felt vulnerable says Tim. No you didn't says Ed, No you didn't feel vulnerable. I did not make you feel that way. In fact, what happened was you were 100 percent in the wrong and were making me feel victimised, but he trails into nonsense here before he explains anything, because another part of his brain has suggested that what he just said may be taken as being subjective, and so he wants to validate it by saying that everyone agrees with him, like how all black women in England want to vote for Ed.
Tim [over the top of Ed]: "No..."
Tim justifiably objects.
Ed [contd from above]: "-- and say "Ed, you're an idiot" 'cause you said that. So I just felt--" [cut off]
There is only one thing Ed wants this to be about, and that is that Tim called him an idiot. He does not actually care, unless he is a baby, but he wants to use this as an excuse to target Tim.
Tim: "And then it was when Tahan--"
I don't know enough to know what this could be. Maybe he is pointing out that at the time, Tahan was on Tim's side, so not everyone was saying it, like Ed just tried to say. If so, he is countering Ed's claim with evidence to the contrary
Ed [contd from above]: "-- it's extremely rude. And I was just like "Who's he-- who- you can- you should never be able to call anyone that--"
Ed still just wants to say his one thing again, because it is all he has, and he is amazed by npw that he has not already won. He thinks Tim thinks he is better than Ed - who's he...who, you can,' - I guess this is who does he think he is to think he can talk to other people like that? This Tim thinks he is hot shit to do that - that is why Tim called Ed an idiot in Ed's mind, because Tim thinks he is better than everyone, well, better than Ed. He then goes back to the manners his mother taught him, that he shouldn't say that. This argument, in Ed's mind, negates anything Tim may have said that the way Ed was treating Tim was making Tim feel foolish in front of everyone. This is okay for Ed, because he didn't resort to name calling, and thus he has the moral high ground.
Tahan and Maddie walk in
Ed realised he could use this breach of etiquette to expose and neuter Tim. He plans to say something about it.
Before he does this, however, Tim sees him alone and starts the conversation.
Tim: "Ed, are we cool?"
Ed: "Yeah."
Tim starts it like he is checking if they have a problem Ed lies, because he actually does have a problem but is avoiding saying anything confrontational first.
Tim: "I just felt as though you were making fun of me, that's why I--" [cutoff]
Tim explains why he called Ed an idiot, possibly this was the beginning of an apology for calling him an idiot. We wont know, because Ed cuts him off. Ed is terrified that Tim will say something reasonable that Ed will not be able to disagree with, because he is sure that all Tim is doing is trying to make him look bad. Ed is sure that any apology would be fake, and that he will be able to belittle Tim, humble him by calling him out for calling someone an idiot in a public forum.
Ed: "Nah, I was gonna speak to you tomorrow because I was just pissed off that you called me an idiot. I was just like, do you think that okay--"
Ed talks over the beginning of the apology. The nah is meaningless, but shows Ed's habitual unwillingness to talk clearly in situations where he may not come off the best, like when he was dumping Jade. Luckily, in his talks with Jade she simply fills in what she wants to hear, so that works out for them, although Ed doesn't realize that. The nah shows his confrontational stance, a rejection of the apology. He wants to point out that he is the bigger man because he was going to discuss this sensibly, tomorrow, but then his impatience and temper and the bottled rage of weeks of frustration burst out and he dives in with the you pissed me off by calling me an idiot stuff. So far, Tim has started the dialogue, tried to explain what happened and to begin an apology. Ed has lied to him, because they are not cool, cut him off mid sentence, during an apology, and tried to point out that he was made angry by Tim's inappropriate use of the word idiot when it was directed to him, Ed.
Tim: "I know. I just felt like..." [trails off]
Tim acknowledges fault, a little, but wants to justify himself
[both start talking at the same time here]
This happens a lot. It often feels like Ed feeling he knows exactly what Tim is a bout to say, or he does not want to hear what Tim wants to say. Tim thinks what he wants to say is worth saying and tries to say it, even though Ed has tried to stop that idea from coming out.
Ed: "Like, I know you--
Ed is quite obsessed with the idea that he sees through Tim in a way no one else can, and he somehow thinks that he will be able to humble him.
Tim [contd from above]: "...whether you understood what I was saying or not--
Tim is a narcissist and wants to be sure that the person he is talking to is thinking the way Tim does, or at least is thinking about Tim, or is considering Tim's position.
Ed [over the top of Tim]: "No. That--"
Ed negates Tim again, and refuses to let him speak, acting as if Tim has said something wrong.
Tim [contd from above.]: "-- you made me feel like an idiot in front of everyone and I was just trying to
get the ball rolling--" [cut off]
Tim finally gets out his explanation for calling him an idiot.
Ed: "You called me an idiot. And I was just like "Are you being serious?""
Ed ignores that Tim is explaining himself and could be in the middle of an apology, he really wants Tim to feel bad for being such an ungentlemanly person as to call somebody an idiot. He does not consider TTim's reason at all, not for one second. It is irrelevant, all that is important is making Tim feel bad for doing it and taking him down a few pegs.
Tim: "Because you were make- I was like "Why are you doing this?" like--"
Tim is trying to direct Ed's thoughts to the fact that Ed had made Tim feel like a fool while he was in front of everyone.
Ed: "Nah. Like, I'm not saying that. I just think--"
The Nah once again says 'No, Tim, you are wrong,' and the second part is because Tim is trying to make the conversation be a bout how he felt nad why he said what he did, when Ed wants it to be about showing how he knows what Tim is up to and that he can't just go around thinking he can call people idiots. He does not care how Tim was feeling when he said it. He wants to use this chance to belittle Tim.
Tim [contd from above]: ""Why?" When I'm just trying to get the ball rolling, being vulnerable, you're
making me feel like a fool--" [cut off. Ed talks over the part after 'vulnerable']
Tim is painting himself as the victim, but if you are trying to entertain a group of people and start up a social game and someone makes you feel a goose then you do feel vulnerable, so I don't think this is ALL gameplay, but some of it is. When he called Ed an idiot, it was because Ed was hindering what he wanted to do, which was start a group game with everyone there.
Ed: "No. No you- you weren't, at all. I- I felt as if you just- you just pointed me out and I felt victimized,
on the point of, well, I'm not the one saying it. Everyone was saying it. So why just point out--"
Ed once again negates what Tim said. He invalidates it. I felt vulnerable says Tim. No you didn't says Ed, No you didn't feel vulnerable. I did not make you feel that way. In fact, what happened was you were 100 percent in the wrong and were making me feel victimised, but he trails into nonsense here before he explains anything, because another part of his brain has suggested that what he just said may be taken as being subjective, and so he wants to validate it by saying that everyone agrees with him, like how all black women in England want to vote for Ed.
Tim [over the top of Ed]: "No..."
Tim justifiably objects.
Ed [contd from above]: "-- and say "Ed, you're an idiot" 'cause you said that. So I just felt--" [cut off]
There is only one thing Ed wants this to be about, and that is that Tim called him an idiot. He does not actually care, unless he is a baby, but he wants to use this as an excuse to target Tim.
Tim: "And then it was when Tahan--"
I don't know enough to know what this could be. Maybe he is pointing out that at the time, Tahan was on Tim's side, so not everyone was saying it, like Ed just tried to say. If so, he is countering Ed's claim with evidence to the contrary
Ed [contd from above]: "-- it's extremely rude. And I was just like "Who's he-- who- you can- you should never be able to call anyone that--"
Ed still just wants to say his one thing again, because it is all he has, and he is amazed by npw that he has not already won. He thinks Tim thinks he is better than Ed - who's he...who, you can,' - I guess this is who does he think he is to think he can talk to other people like that? This Tim thinks he is hot shit to do that - that is why Tim called Ed an idiot in Ed's mind, because Tim thinks he is better than everyone, well, better than Ed. He then goes back to the manners his mother taught him, that he shouldn't say that. This argument, in Ed's mind, negates anything Tim may have said that the way Ed was treating Tim was making Tim feel foolish in front of everyone. This is okay for Ed, because he didn't resort to name calling, and thus he has the moral high ground.
Tahan and Maddie walk in
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
[Maddie and Tahan walk in]
Ed [contd from above]: "-- it doesn't make it okay."
Once again, nothing justifies the use of such language as 'idiot.'
Tim: "I can when you're singling me out in front of everyone--"
Tim philosophically disagrees. If you are being singled out, as Tim was being by Ed, in front of a crowd, and made to feel vulnerable, then the use of harsh language, such as 'idiot' is appropriate. Comedian Jim Jefferies has a good sketch, set on a plane, when he points out that it is situations like a fight that vulgar language like 'idiot' were designed for. A disagreement is entirely the appropriate time to use fighting words. Like idiot.
Ed: "I wasn't--"
Ed denies having done anything, anything at all that may have been making Tim feel as if he was being singled out by Ed.
Tim: "You were--"
All footage I have seen of Ed these past few weeks show he does very little but think of how to destroy Tim, so I would be very surprised if Tim wasn't telling the truth here.
Ed: "I wasn't at all. And you're trying to play that card--"
Ed categorically denies any wrongdoing or blame, again giving Tim the lie.
Tim: "You did."
Tim defends his position. Yes, Ed, you did. He does not just accept Ed's version of events, but wants Ed to see what Ed was making Tim feel.
Ed: "-- and that's not going to roll with me because- that- you were, because you made me feel like an absolute idiot and you say that in front of everyone when everyone else is saying--"
Ed denies making Tim feel like an idiot first, Ed denies it 'because Tim made Ed feel like an absolute idiot...' when Tim called Ed an idiot because Ed had hurt Tim's feelings and probably wasn't listening to him.
Tim: "I'm saying that because you made ME feel that--" [cut off]
Tim tries to point out his side ahain, because he can see from the words coming from Ed's mouth, to which he is listening and considering, that Ed does not realize or acknowledge yet that Ed made Tim feel bad, causing Tim to call Ed an idiot.
Ed: "Tim--"
Ed takes a fatherly tone, as if Ed is the one being reasonable here.
Tim: "I was calling you out on--"
Tim once again tries to explain
Ed: "Does that make- does that make it okay to say- to make--"
Ed once more refuses to listen to any explanations or accept in any way that Tim may be saying anything worth listening to or to even to begin for the fraction of a second to consider that there is any way that Ed may have behaved in a way that would make someone feel like, perhaps they were not being understood. Ed, after all, does not resort to calling people idiots, uses polite words, and thus is a good communicator.
Tim: "Yes. Because you made me feel like a fool--"
Tim restates the idea which Ed clearly missed, or dismissed, that he did say idiot, but that Ed provoked it by making Tim feel like an idiot in public.
Ed [over the top of Tim]: "Does that make that okay?"
That is exactly what he has been trying to say. That yes, that makes it okay. It is similar to Tahan explaining that she said that about the dresses because she was angry. Tim said idiot because Ed had publicly humiliated Tim.
Tim: "--like a criminal even--"
Ignoring Ed's interjection and rhetorical question, Tim expands on his idea, Ed made Tim feel like a fool and even like a criminal. On this provokation, he called Ed an idiot.
Ed: "[unitelligible... "That's not okay"??]"
Ed is not listening, but if he were, his position is that it is not okay to call someone an idiot if they make you feel like a fool and a criminal in front of other people people.
Tim: "You're calling- if you're making me look like a fool when I'm just trying to get the ball rolling on a
joke--" [Ed talks over the bit after 'rolling']
Tim was trying to start a social game, and Ed made him feel like a fool
Ed: "Who's making you out like a fool?" [he then repeats this when Tim is silent]
The snarky subtext here is that Tim makes an idiot of himself in public.
Tim: "You did!"
Tim tries, once again, to get Ed to see that Ed hurt Tim's feelings.
[it gets difficult to write here, because Tim is trying to finish his sentence and Ed keeps breaking it up and
trying to walk away]
I will separate these two threads of 'conversation' because they are talking at the same time.
Tim: "You did. And when Tahan--
Tim: "--started explaining it you said "Let him say"- he--"
Okay, so it seems like when Tim tried to start the game, Ed interupted and made Tim feel foolish, and wn Tim tried to explain himself Ed refused to understand and so Tahan tried to step in and help Ed to see Tim's point of view - because judging from this, I can see how someone might think that Ed does not understad Tim, the sheild of paranoia and dislike blocks out all else.
While Tim is saying the above Ed is saying
Ed: "Tim--"
Ed: " Tim, all I'll say is--"
Ed: "All I'll say is that if you don't--"
Conventional phrases, meaning nothing, just used as a way to not listen to what the person trying to talk to him is saying.
Tim: "Ed--"
Now Tim tries to get Ed to take a step back
Ed: "I'll not stand here--"
Ed will not be told that he is not perfect, that he may have done something wrong and made Tim feel bad. How could that be? Tim is manipulative and uses bad words and so I ould not have hurt him or done anything wrong. He will not tand there and hear that said. Ed will not listen to Tim.
Tim: "You did it. You did it."
Tim, once more, tries to break through Ed's defenses that he did make Tim feel bad first.
Ed [contd]: "--and let you--"
He will not be told this. He refuses.
Tim: "But, why--"
Tim abandons what he was saying and tries to engage with Ed in Ed's chosen line of conversation. Ed says he will not stand there and be told that he hurt someone's feelings, so Tim asks him why he wont.
Ed [contd]: "--create something that doesn't exist." (walks away)
Ed ignores Tim's attempt at dialogue and claims that Tim's hurt feelings are a fantasy, that Tim is thus either deluded or maliciously manipulative or lying or something, but not that he is telling the truth.
Ed: "No. Because I just thought that's pretty--"
This makes no sense in context, it is just a meaningless preamble to something he doesn't say. But it sounds pretty dismissive.
Tim: "I- Why would I say--" [cut off]
Tim [contd]: "--you're being an idiot. Why would I say you're a bloody idiot if I didn't feel--[/B
Okay, if Ed does not believe Tim, Tim wants to know how Ed interprets Tim's behaviour, as clearly Ed wants Tim to know that everything Tim says is wrong, where what Ed says is right.
Ed: "Because you're trying to win an argument. And I just don't feel--"
So, Ed says Tim resorted to bad language like idiot in order to win the argument that Ed thought he was having with Tim.
Tim: "What? There was no argument, Ed!"
Tim interupts Ed here, because Tim did not feel they were having an argument, but that Tim was trying to start a social game and that Ed made him feel like a fool in front of everyone
Ed: "No. Exactly."
Okay. So now Ed agrees that it wasn't an argument. So, Tim was trying to win an argument that wasn't happening? Ed is a fucking moron.
Tim: "I said--"
Ed: "Exactly."
Tim is still talking about what he said, trying to get to the bottom of what Tim said and did and felt and meant, and Ed says another meaningless polite conversational piece for when you don't want to look like you are disagreeing with someone who is not really listening to you. Unfortunately, Tim is listening, and is falsely assuming the words Ed says will have some meaning.
Tim: "I said why- like- why--"
Trying to win an argument they weren't having isn't washing with Tim, so he asks again Why, if it wasn't because you were making me feel bad, did I call you an idiot? Since I don't know why I did it, tell me.
Ed [contd from above]: "-- it doesn't make it okay."
Once again, nothing justifies the use of such language as 'idiot.'
Tim: "I can when you're singling me out in front of everyone--"
Tim philosophically disagrees. If you are being singled out, as Tim was being by Ed, in front of a crowd, and made to feel vulnerable, then the use of harsh language, such as 'idiot' is appropriate. Comedian Jim Jefferies has a good sketch, set on a plane, when he points out that it is situations like a fight that vulgar language like 'idiot' were designed for. A disagreement is entirely the appropriate time to use fighting words. Like idiot.
Ed: "I wasn't--"
Ed denies having done anything, anything at all that may have been making Tim feel as if he was being singled out by Ed.
Tim: "You were--"
All footage I have seen of Ed these past few weeks show he does very little but think of how to destroy Tim, so I would be very surprised if Tim wasn't telling the truth here.
Ed: "I wasn't at all. And you're trying to play that card--"
Ed categorically denies any wrongdoing or blame, again giving Tim the lie.
Tim: "You did."
Tim defends his position. Yes, Ed, you did. He does not just accept Ed's version of events, but wants Ed to see what Ed was making Tim feel.
Ed: "-- and that's not going to roll with me because- that- you were, because you made me feel like an absolute idiot and you say that in front of everyone when everyone else is saying--"
Ed denies making Tim feel like an idiot first, Ed denies it 'because Tim made Ed feel like an absolute idiot...' when Tim called Ed an idiot because Ed had hurt Tim's feelings and probably wasn't listening to him.
Tim: "I'm saying that because you made ME feel that--" [cut off]
Tim tries to point out his side ahain, because he can see from the words coming from Ed's mouth, to which he is listening and considering, that Ed does not realize or acknowledge yet that Ed made Tim feel bad, causing Tim to call Ed an idiot.
Ed: "Tim--"
Ed takes a fatherly tone, as if Ed is the one being reasonable here.
Tim: "I was calling you out on--"
Tim once again tries to explain
Ed: "Does that make- does that make it okay to say- to make--"
Ed once more refuses to listen to any explanations or accept in any way that Tim may be saying anything worth listening to or to even to begin for the fraction of a second to consider that there is any way that Ed may have behaved in a way that would make someone feel like, perhaps they were not being understood. Ed, after all, does not resort to calling people idiots, uses polite words, and thus is a good communicator.
Tim: "Yes. Because you made me feel like a fool--"
Tim restates the idea which Ed clearly missed, or dismissed, that he did say idiot, but that Ed provoked it by making Tim feel like an idiot in public.
Ed [over the top of Tim]: "Does that make that okay?"
That is exactly what he has been trying to say. That yes, that makes it okay. It is similar to Tahan explaining that she said that about the dresses because she was angry. Tim said idiot because Ed had publicly humiliated Tim.
Tim: "--like a criminal even--"
Ignoring Ed's interjection and rhetorical question, Tim expands on his idea, Ed made Tim feel like a fool and even like a criminal. On this provokation, he called Ed an idiot.
Ed: "[unitelligible... "That's not okay"??]"
Ed is not listening, but if he were, his position is that it is not okay to call someone an idiot if they make you feel like a fool and a criminal in front of other people people.
Tim: "You're calling- if you're making me look like a fool when I'm just trying to get the ball rolling on a
joke--" [Ed talks over the bit after 'rolling']
Tim was trying to start a social game, and Ed made him feel like a fool
Ed: "Who's making you out like a fool?" [he then repeats this when Tim is silent]
The snarky subtext here is that Tim makes an idiot of himself in public.
Tim: "You did!"
Tim tries, once again, to get Ed to see that Ed hurt Tim's feelings.
[it gets difficult to write here, because Tim is trying to finish his sentence and Ed keeps breaking it up and
trying to walk away]
I will separate these two threads of 'conversation' because they are talking at the same time.
Tim: "You did. And when Tahan--
Tim: "--started explaining it you said "Let him say"- he--"
Okay, so it seems like when Tim tried to start the game, Ed interupted and made Tim feel foolish, and wn Tim tried to explain himself Ed refused to understand and so Tahan tried to step in and help Ed to see Tim's point of view - because judging from this, I can see how someone might think that Ed does not understad Tim, the sheild of paranoia and dislike blocks out all else.
While Tim is saying the above Ed is saying
Ed: "Tim--"
Ed: " Tim, all I'll say is--"
Ed: "All I'll say is that if you don't--"
Conventional phrases, meaning nothing, just used as a way to not listen to what the person trying to talk to him is saying.
Tim: "Ed--"
Now Tim tries to get Ed to take a step back
Ed: "I'll not stand here--"
Ed will not be told that he is not perfect, that he may have done something wrong and made Tim feel bad. How could that be? Tim is manipulative and uses bad words and so I ould not have hurt him or done anything wrong. He will not tand there and hear that said. Ed will not listen to Tim.
Tim: "You did it. You did it."
Tim, once more, tries to break through Ed's defenses that he did make Tim feel bad first.
Ed [contd]: "--and let you--"
He will not be told this. He refuses.
Tim: "But, why--"
Tim abandons what he was saying and tries to engage with Ed in Ed's chosen line of conversation. Ed says he will not stand there and be told that he hurt someone's feelings, so Tim asks him why he wont.
Ed [contd]: "--create something that doesn't exist." (walks away)
Ed ignores Tim's attempt at dialogue and claims that Tim's hurt feelings are a fantasy, that Tim is thus either deluded or maliciously manipulative or lying or something, but not that he is telling the truth.
Ed: "No. Because I just thought that's pretty--"
This makes no sense in context, it is just a meaningless preamble to something he doesn't say. But it sounds pretty dismissive.
Tim: "I- Why would I say--" [cut off]
Tim [contd]: "--you're being an idiot. Why would I say you're a bloody idiot if I didn't feel--[/B
Okay, if Ed does not believe Tim, Tim wants to know how Ed interprets Tim's behaviour, as clearly Ed wants Tim to know that everything Tim says is wrong, where what Ed says is right.
Ed: "Because you're trying to win an argument. And I just don't feel--"
So, Ed says Tim resorted to bad language like idiot in order to win the argument that Ed thought he was having with Tim.
Tim: "What? There was no argument, Ed!"
Tim interupts Ed here, because Tim did not feel they were having an argument, but that Tim was trying to start a social game and that Ed made him feel like a fool in front of everyone
Ed: "No. Exactly."
Okay. So now Ed agrees that it wasn't an argument. So, Tim was trying to win an argument that wasn't happening? Ed is a fucking moron.
Tim: "I said--"
Ed: "Exactly."
Tim is still talking about what he said, trying to get to the bottom of what Tim said and did and felt and meant, and Ed says another meaningless polite conversational piece for when you don't want to look like you are disagreeing with someone who is not really listening to you. Unfortunately, Tim is listening, and is falsely assuming the words Ed says will have some meaning.
Tim: "I said why- like- why--"
Trying to win an argument they weren't having isn't washing with Tim, so he asks again Why, if it wasn't because you were making me feel bad, did I call you an idiot? Since I don't know why I did it, tell me.
Agree...in that lonnnggg wwhhhinyyyy voice that sounds like a little kid whinging. Ugh...
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
[cut to Jade and Maddie then back again]
Tim: "I'm not out to get you--"
Tim has come to the conclusion he is talking to a crazy person, someone whose paranoia has stopped them from thinking rationally. Still, he tries to reason with it
Ed: "I don't think that at all."
This is a lie.
Tim: "There's some mass hysteria of paranoia happening in the last few weeks--"
Ed: "Has that been--"
Tim: "I'm not playing this game like that."
Tim is trying to defuse the situation. Or, at least, to appear innocent.
Ed: "Tim just think for a second. Jade's--"
Tim elects now to igore whatever Ed was starting to say, and to finish what he had started, something he thinks Ed needs to hear.
Tim: "These new sides that they've- that you think is happening in the house, and that you're being singled out and left out, there's no cool group. We just wanna have fun--"
Ed: "Exactly. Go have fun. But, I don't feel that you understand how excluded I feel at times and things,
Unlike Tim, I don't think Ed has ever felt excluded from a group, I think Ed normally had life like the first few weeks in the BB house, where all the guys he liked wanted to be with him, the girls all fawned on him, and no one ever confronted him to have to say or think anything and he was just a popular football playing good Aussie bloke with noce manners. He seems genuinely hurt that he is not included
Ed continued: and then you ask for trust about everything and the you go asking everyone else about it to back you up."
Yes. This is big brother. You do it with Jade and Mikk now, you have done it with Tully, Dreww, Matt, Caleb, Heidi...
Tim: "That was Tahan, Drew and Boog. I--"
I don't get this bit.
Ed: "So why haven't you said anything to them about it of they made you- did you just say they made you feel like an idiot as well?"
Tim: "No! Only YOU--"
Ed: "But why--"
Tim [contd]: "--made me feel like an idiot tonight."
Ed: "--would I--"
Tim: "That's my feelings."
This has been going for hours now, and Ed clearly still hasn't acknowledged that he may have made someone feel bad.
Ed: "The only person--"
Tim doesn't bother letting him finish this accusation
Tim: "That's my feelings--"
A direct quote from Heidi.
Ed: "You can feel that. But I feel that you just looked at me to say that--"
Ed says that you can feel that you felt bad, but I feel you didn't feel bad when you say that you did
Tim [contd]: "-- so that's why I called you a bloody idiot."
Tim takes a bit of pleasure here in being able to say 'You are a bloody idiot' again, this time, in disguise.This bloody idiot wont notice.
Ed: "But, but that- Why does two wrongs make a right? Why is it okay for you to call anybody in this house any name."
Still the same thing... oh, man, this conversation really does go nowhere.
Tim: "That's why we're talking about it now, Ed--"
Ed: "I definitely understand that. I'm trying to understand YOU."
Bulldust. You are trying to make him see himself the way you see him.
Tim[contd]: "--to make sure that we're okay with what happened tonight."
Ed: "I'm trying to understand you, because-"
Ugh. I need a cigarette. I may come back later.
Tim: "I'm not out to get you--"
Tim has come to the conclusion he is talking to a crazy person, someone whose paranoia has stopped them from thinking rationally. Still, he tries to reason with it
Ed: "I don't think that at all."
This is a lie.
Tim: "There's some mass hysteria of paranoia happening in the last few weeks--"
Ed: "Has that been--"
Tim: "I'm not playing this game like that."
Tim is trying to defuse the situation. Or, at least, to appear innocent.
Ed: "Tim just think for a second. Jade's--"
Tim elects now to igore whatever Ed was starting to say, and to finish what he had started, something he thinks Ed needs to hear.
Tim: "These new sides that they've- that you think is happening in the house, and that you're being singled out and left out, there's no cool group. We just wanna have fun--"
Ed: "Exactly. Go have fun. But, I don't feel that you understand how excluded I feel at times and things,
Unlike Tim, I don't think Ed has ever felt excluded from a group, I think Ed normally had life like the first few weeks in the BB house, where all the guys he liked wanted to be with him, the girls all fawned on him, and no one ever confronted him to have to say or think anything and he was just a popular football playing good Aussie bloke with noce manners. He seems genuinely hurt that he is not included
Ed continued: and then you ask for trust about everything and the you go asking everyone else about it to back you up."
Yes. This is big brother. You do it with Jade and Mikk now, you have done it with Tully, Dreww, Matt, Caleb, Heidi...
Tim: "That was Tahan, Drew and Boog. I--"
I don't get this bit.
Ed: "So why haven't you said anything to them about it of they made you- did you just say they made you feel like an idiot as well?"
Tim: "No! Only YOU--"
Ed: "But why--"
Tim [contd]: "--made me feel like an idiot tonight."
Ed: "--would I--"
Tim: "That's my feelings."
This has been going for hours now, and Ed clearly still hasn't acknowledged that he may have made someone feel bad.
Ed: "The only person--"
Tim doesn't bother letting him finish this accusation
Tim: "That's my feelings--"
A direct quote from Heidi.
Ed: "You can feel that. But I feel that you just looked at me to say that--"
Ed says that you can feel that you felt bad, but I feel you didn't feel bad when you say that you did
Tim [contd]: "-- so that's why I called you a bloody idiot."
Tim takes a bit of pleasure here in being able to say 'You are a bloody idiot' again, this time, in disguise.This bloody idiot wont notice.
Ed: "But, but that- Why does two wrongs make a right? Why is it okay for you to call anybody in this house any name."
Still the same thing... oh, man, this conversation really does go nowhere.
Tim: "That's why we're talking about it now, Ed--"
Ed: "I definitely understand that. I'm trying to understand YOU."
Bulldust. You are trying to make him see himself the way you see him.
Tim[contd]: "--to make sure that we're okay with what happened tonight."
Ed: "I'm trying to understand you, because-"
Ugh. I need a cigarette. I may come back later.
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Sarah Smith
Guest
My favourite part of this whole show was the pre-argument commentary given by Ed.
In the kitchen talking to the girls 'I'm going to say this, then Tim's going to say that, then I'm going to say this'.
Then when it comes down to reality - he says nothing!!
Douche bag!
In the kitchen talking to the girls 'I'm going to say this, then Tim's going to say that, then I'm going to say this'.
Then when it comes down to reality - he says nothing!!
Douche bag!
hughesy17
Active Member
I can't believe no-one heard this. I'm sure I heard it correctly but couldn't believe what I was hearing. Think of Michael Hutchence. Ed was in the kitchen venting about Tim after the argument. Madeline complained that after she said what she liked (I will refrain from mentioning it), Tim said something like oh you're going to be one of those weird woman you hear about on the news that dies from ...
This was on a live feed video, not on the daily show.
tilliii
Active Member
Weird bringing that up so casually lol