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Housemate #5 TULLY!

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BBfan- said:
I should clarify, I didn't mean that it's wrong to judge HMs once they're out of the house. I just meant that now that Tully is off our screens, we don't have much access to her life anymore. It would be like you trying to work out what I'm like and what my life is like just from reading a few of my posts on this forum. You wouldn't be able to find out that much about me.
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haha i don't think the comparison is quite even (because we have seen her and her behaviors, i have only read you and you could write anything but i would never see a facial expression), but i get your point.

my impression of you is that you are smart and nice and you like tully but you are open to analyzing her and others in a polite and decent way :)
 
BBfan- said:
I should clarify, I didn't mean that it's wrong to judge HMs once they're out of the house. I just meant that now that Tully is off our screens, we don't have much access to her life anymore. It would be like you trying to work out what I'm like and what my life is like just from reading a few of my posts on this forum. You wouldn't be able to find out that much about me.
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You make a great point, remember how shocked everyone was at how different the Eviction night Tully was to the highly edited HM Tully, people were taken aback because they expected tears and she came out really strong.
 
Mooseface said:
This is a very interesting discussion. I am learning things here. No disrespect intended (at all) but could you explain how Tully used gaslighting? Is it when she would suggest to Drew that he was swearing at her, or yelling at her, or moody or throwing tantrums. Is that gaslighting? He then has to assess whether what she said was true?

Does gaslighting involve blaming the other person for actions/behaviors that you yourself do/perform, or is it more general than that?
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Gaslighting could be any of those but typically it means revising reality or revisionism. Your example: Tully yells "stop yelling at me" when Drew has not raised his voice. "I wasn't yelling" says Drew. "Yes you were" yells Tully. Drew gets confused. Did I yell? She's yelling. Maybe I did yell. "sorry Tully. I'll never do it again". Tully grins. That was fun, she thinks to herself.

Brainwashing effectively. Drew is a very easy target. Too easy in a way.

What the behaviour or technique of gaslighting does is keep the victim confused and unsure to which the gaslighter can then use to advantage. Victims start losing sense of what's real and not real... this happens over a longer period of time. When victims recover they tend to be what we call "world truth tellers". They whistleblow at work. Become activists. Things like that. They become obsessed with the truth.

I am a bit of a WTT myself. It can be argued that WTT have a little bit of NPD ruboff on them inasmuchas they gain some notoriety from whistleblowing and there is a bit of narcissistic payoff.
 
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:pp said:
Gaslighting could be any of those but typically it means revising reality or revisionism. Your example: Tully yells "stop yelling at me" when Drew has not raised his voice. "I wasn't yelling" says Drew. "Yes you were" yells Tully. Drew gets confused. Did I yell? She's yelling. Maybe I did yell. "sorry Tully. I'll never do it again". Tully grins. That was fun, she thinks to herself.
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The thing I don't quite get about this is that Tully seemed to be less aware than that. She seemed to me to be caught up in for example the yelling and in the heat of the moment rather than constructing the scene - it didn't seem contrived or intended. She seemed to me to wrongly accuse him but to actually believe it (rather than thinking to herself 'that was fun').

No? Is that still gaslighting if she does it unawarely?
 
itsthehops said:
haha i don't think the comparison is quite even (because we have seen her and her behaviors, i have only read you and you could write anything but i would never see a facial expression), but i get your point.

my impression of you is that you are smart and nice and you like tully but you are open to analyzing her and others in a polite and decent way :)
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Haha you know more about me than I thought you did. Jk :p
 
CASEYBB said:
You make a great point, remember how shocked everyone was at how different the Eviction night Tully was to the highly edited HM Tully, people were taken aback because they expected tears and she came out really strong.
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Because the tears, IMO, were contrived/fake. Did anyone actually see water, or was it just scrunched up face...
 
Mooseface said:
The thing I don't quite get about this is that Tully seemed to be less aware than that. She seemed to me to be caught up in for example the yelling and in the heat of the moment rather than constructing the scene - it didn't seem contrived or intended. She seemed to me to wrongly accuse him but to actually believe it (rather than thinking to herself 'that was fun').

No? Is that still gaslighting if she does it unawarely?
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That would be plausible for a one off. She did it regularly so no, she constructed it for an outcome.

Hamish whatisface, the comic, parodied it on his radio broadcast.
 
:pp said:
Because the tears, IMO, were contrived/fake. Did anyone actually see water, or was it just scrunched up face...
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I agree with you, I don't think you could gauge any of the HM's true personalities from a TV show especially when they're all playing a game for $250,000
 
:pp said:
That would be plausible for a one off. She did it regularly so no, she constructed it for an outcome.

Hamish whatisface, the comic, parodied it on his radio broadcast.
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I saw the link somewhere to Hamish's program but haven't listened. Intrigued about the tears. Will go back and have a look. I entirely agree in many cases her distress was not genuine eg most (if not all) the evictions, (but then again, that seems almost de rigueur. alot of them seem to put on the distress and be super emotional at evictions or showdowns or other known to be filmed occasions) but I am less sure about her other upsets. But you have me interested so iI'll have a look back through some of the footage.
 
Wow, good old argument going on here. I'll just butt in on the tears thing and say, early on in the piece Thalia said that Tully cries at 15 second kleenex adverts so I'm thinking the tears are at least somewhat real. She just doesn't have a very good grasp on her emotions/ tear ducts. Plus, she can't have seriously thought, being the big BB fan that she is that being overly emotional would get her anywhere in the comp.

Regardless I think we have to be very careful about judging people, especially their mental health in relation to anything we've seen on BB or of them since leaving the house. We see so little of the time inside, and it's heavily edited to portray channel 9's storylines and what we see outside is just as heavily edited.

Mikka said today in the LF the Drew said he would move to Sydney, makes me wonder even more what their drunken chat was about before she left.

Tully also tweeted today that she met Pete Cunnignham, one of the BB voices, so I think she may be back on the GC for the eviction tonight. Wonder if Channel 9 know something and it is Drew leaving.
 
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http://ec.libsyn.com/p/d/0/9/d09169b4adacc2bf/HA_PODCAST_BORDER_SECURITY.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01c08635d8cd58b0a9&c_id=6131990

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Thanks. Yeah, ok. Not overly excited about the Tully impersonation (had a ring of familiarity, but...). However just found her on the Heidi eviction video - where she and H were the last two. There was lots and lots of scrunched up face and boohoo noise, but no visible tears. I do have to say she was not the only one boohooing. The ones that were not making noise were the ones who wiped tears, whereas the ones boohooing didn't sem to have actual tears. Interesting!
 
Any news from her Twitter account on whether she's heading up to the Gold Coast tonight or not?
 
pecan said:
Thanks for that. I came in here and saw 3 new pages of posts and assumed people were discussing the possibility of Drew being evicted if she had headed to the GC. Just more armchair diagnosis again.
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Of course. That's what we do.
 
CASEYBB said:
I agree with you, I don't think you could gauge any of the HM's true personalities from a TV show especially when they're all playing a game for $250,000
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Amen. Especially when it is so easy for the production team to portray a housemate in a particular way by showing mostly positive or negative footage of them.
 
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