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Who is the narcissist?

gleeful83 said:
There is a difference between pulling a prank and keeping a secret. A huge difference! And everyone is entitled to have secrets. It's called privacy. I would be a bit pissed at friend who thought they had a right to demand info from/about me at all times, I don't care how good a friend they are. A good friend would would realise not everything is about them and the friendship. And using the word 'lie' is being a bit dramatic.
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If Drew had been keeping a secret about something very personal then that would be fine and I wouldn't expect him to tell her. If he had been keeping a secret about a surprise that would benefit everyone then I wouldn't expect him to tell her. But it was a prank that was designed to make everyone look stupid and for Tim to get special treatment and extra attention all day.
 
gleeful83 said:
There is a difference between pulling a prank and keeping a secret. A huge difference! And everyone is entitled to have secrets. It's called privacy. I would be a bit pissed at friend who thought they had a right to demand info from/about me at all times, I don't care how good a friend they are. A good friend would would realise not everything is about them and the friendship. And using the word 'lie' is being a bit dramatic.
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i'm with you here. I'm sure she doesn't report every time she wipes her arse.
 
BBfan- said:
If Drew had been keeping a secret about something very personal then that would be fine and I wouldn't expect him to tell her. If he had been keeping a secret about a surprise that would benefit everyone then I wouldn't expect him to tell her. But it was a prank that was designed to make everyone look stupid and for Tim to get special treatment and extra attention all day.
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this logic makes no sense bbfan, i luv ya but c'mon. He's closer with Jade and he didn't tell her, he's probably just as close to a few others too, if he told everyone he was friends with it wouldn't be much of a prank. And he's closer to Tim than any of them so what of their friendship had he squealed? If someone was going to get hurt i'd get it, but all they did was have fun. Bunch of sooks. Tully is too much hard work..
 
Jo-bot said:
this logic makes no sense bbfan, i luv ya but c'mon. He's closer with Jade and he didn't tell her, he's probably just as close to a few others too, if he told everyone he was friends with it wouldn't be much of a prank. And he's closer to Tim than any of them so what of their friendship had he squealed? If someone was going to get hurt i'd get it, but all they did was have fun. Bunch of sooks. Tully is too much hard work..
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I don't think he's necessarily closer with Jade and Tim than Tully but we can't really tell with the edit. What I'm saying is that Tim shouldn't have done it at all if he didn't want to offend anyone. I'm glad he did it because I found it entertaining but I can also understand why others would be upset by it.
 
Being a Wikipedia qualified psychologist, I actually think you could categorise Tully (and to a degree, some of the other HMs) as having Histrionic Personality Disorder...


Exhibitionist behavior
Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
Pride of own personality and unwillingness to change, viewing any change as a threat
Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior of a sexual nature
Using somatic symptoms (of physical illness) to garner attention
A need to be the center of attention
Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification
Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
Making rash decisions
Blaming personal failures or disappointments on others
Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
Being overly dramatic and emotional


As for Tim, he actually has quite a well-adjusted attitude, not really caring about other people's approval, deliberately not taking part in any in-house pecking order, challenging authority, and not taking part in the pack mentality. He's obviously got healthy self-esteem, but that doesn't make him a narcissist. He also has displayed empathy in the house, in discussions he's had with people when they're upset (such as Heidi) and has actually come across as genuine. He also prefers to air grievances and not let them manifest in passive-aggressive behaviour, and has the courage of his convictions, even when he's standing alone. Most of the other HMs cave under peer pressure and betray their own values and convictions, which makes it really ironic that Tim's been branded as untrustworthy just for playing a harmless prank. At least you know where you stand with Tim.
 
BBfan- said:
I don't think he's necessarily closer with Jade and Tim than Tully but we can't really tell with the edit. What I'm saying is that Tim shouldn't have done it at all if he didn't want to offend anyone. I'm glad he did it because I found it entertaining but I can also understand why others would be upset by it.
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but she's angry with drew. He just kept his mouth shut. I just thought she treated him really bad and you could tell he was upset by it.
 
chumly said:
Being a Wikipedia qualified psychologist, I actually think you could categorise Tully (and to a degree, some of the other HMs) as having Histrionic Personality Disorder...


Exhibitionist behavior
Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
Pride of own personality and unwillingness to change, viewing any change as a threat
Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior of a sexual nature
Using somatic symptoms (of physical illness) to garner attention
A need to be the center of attention
Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification
Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
Making rash decisions
Blaming personal failures or disappointments on others
Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
Being overly dramatic and emotional


As for Tim, he actually has quite a well-adjusted attitude, not really caring about other people's approval, deliberately not taking part in any in-house pecking order, challenging authority, and not taking part in the pack mentality. He's obviously got healthy self-esteem, but that doesn't make him a narcissist. He also has displayed empathy in the house, in discussions he's had with people when they're upset (such as Heidi) and has actually come across as genuine. He also prefers to air grievances and not let them manifest in passive-aggressive behaviour, and has the courage of his convictions, even when he's standing alone. Most of the other HMs cave under peer pressure and betray their own values and convictions, which makes it really ironic that Tim's been branded as untrustworthy just for playing a harmless prank. At least you know where you stand with Tim.
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Agree with your analysis of Tim. I wasn't aware of Histrionic Personality Disorder, but gain I agree it certainly suits Waily well. Thanks heaps!
 
Funny you say that, [MENTION=33242]chumly[/MENTION] That was the personality type that first came to mind whilst watching Tully over the past weeks. I love couch-diagnosing haha

Seriously though... I was a bit baffled when Caleb and Ed were having that chat. I don't think Tim is all that narcissitic but just a cheeky prankster and quite eccentric.
 
chumly said:
Being a Wikipedia qualified psychologist, I actually think you could categorise Tully (and to a degree, some of the other HMs) as having Histrionic Personality Disorder...


Exhibitionist behavior
Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
Pride of own personality and unwillingness to change, viewing any change as a threat
Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior of a sexual nature
Using somatic symptoms (of physical illness) to garner attention
A need to be the center of attention
Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification
Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
Making rash decisions
Blaming personal failures or disappointments on others
Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
Being overly dramatic and emotional


As for Tim, he actually has quite a well-adjusted attitude, not really caring about other people's approval, deliberately not taking part in any in-house pecking order, challenging authority, and not taking part in the pack mentality. He's obviously got healthy self-esteem, but that doesn't make him a narcissist. He also has displayed empathy in the house, in discussions he's had with people when they're upset (such as Heidi) and has actually come across as genuine. He also prefers to air grievances and not let them manifest in passive-aggressive behaviour, and has the courage of his convictions, even when he's standing alone. Most of the other HMs cave under peer pressure and betray their own values and convictions, which makes it really ironic that Tim's been branded as untrustworthy just for playing a harmless prank. At least you know where you stand with Tim.
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Okay the bolded part made me laugh out loud! And the rest of the post made me think. Thinking! On a Saturday! Great post chumly!
 
Dystopia said:
Exactly. You won't like that for me Tim is also the narcissist. Tim Heidi, Heidi Tim - peas in a pod. With you being a Tim fan I don't expect you to see it (I mean this nicely), but Tim and Heidi have much in common.
Loud-mouthed, obnoxious, unkempt... I'd better stop, out of the corner of my eye I just glimpsed people bending down to pick up rocks ttfn :p
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Tim is absolutely in love with himself, it's a big reason why I hated him from day one. However, he seems to be the only one aware that they're all there to put on a show and I love his antics. He's a fantastic housemate and he grew on me. As other's have said, he brings out the best in other housemates- Drew's mischievousness, Mikkayla's horse ride, Tahan's jungle woman. He deserves to win right now for pretty much saving the show from over-saturation of bitchiness and crying (and Jade, UGH, kick her out!).

edit: The difference between him and Heidi is that she is as boring as an old piece of cardboard.
 
Basically Tully was expecting Drew to betray a confidence between himself and Tim, because she saw Drew keeping the secret from the group as a betrayal of confidence between Drew and herself. Totally hypocritical, unreasonable, and immature. She needs to control her temper and stop placing unrealistic expectations on other people. As Drew said, it's not like she's his girlfriend, and quite frankly, if my boyfriend played a prank like this on me, the last thing on my mind would be that it's a betrayal of trust - it's a JOKE. She really needs to get a grip and grow up.
 
I actually know someone with diagnosed HPD and they are very Tully-like in a lot of ways! BTW, I'm not anti-Tully - I'm actually glad she's in the house. Gives us all something to talk about when there are interesting personality types! :)
 
Jo-bot said:
but she's angry with drew. He just kept his mouth shut. I just thought she treated him really bad and you could tell he was upset by it.
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Yeah, from his perspective it would seem like he had no choice but to keep it a secret. He probably shouldn't have gone along with the prank but I can see why he did. Tully's not unjustified in being angry but I think taking it out on Drew wasn't the best choice.
 
torifrog said:
Shouldn't the Tim party stuff be discussed in ... I dunno .. the Tim's party thread?
http://forum.behindbigbrother.com/showthread.php?49282-Regading-Tim-s-fake-birthday-party
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You started it sister - and by that I mean the over-analysis of narcissistic and you are also responsible for my over-indulgence of nerve-settling prescription drugs this arvo.

I'll admit, Ed shares most of the blame as he astounded most of us with his explaining and correcting of what narcissistic means to Caleb. I really got a kick outta that one - now Caleb knows two foreign words: narcissistic and condescending - what a champ!

But I am digressing. I also admit to suffer from a mild Wikipedia addiction - but I know my limits. When my addled brain requires confirmation as to the meaning of a word, I simply consult the dictionary.

Here then, the definition of narcissism according to the Oxford English Dictionary Twelfth Edition (still the most recent one):

narcissism excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's appearance.

There, short and sweet and it fits Tim to the tee. Except for the 'erotic' part perhaps, in that department he's more like a Castrato. :)
 
Dystopia said:
You started it sister - and by that I mean the over-analysis of narcissistic and you are also responsible for my over-indulgence of nerve-settling prescription drugs this arvo.

I'll admit, Ed shares most of the blame as he astounded most of us with his explaining and correcting of what narcissistic means to Caleb. I really got a kick outta that one - now Caleb knows two foreign words: narcissistic and condescending - what a champ!

But I am digressing. I also admit to suffer from a mild Wikipedia addiction - but I know my limits. When my addled brain requires confirmation as to the meaning of a word, I simply consult the dictionary.

Here then, the definition of narcissism according to the Oxford English Dictionary Twelfth Edition (still the most recent one):

narcissism excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's appearance.

There, short and sweet and it fits Tim to the tee. Except for the 'erotic' part perhaps, in that department he's more like a Castrato. :)
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I didn't "overanalyse" anything - I merely presented some information on narcissism and commented it felt more appropriate to Tully than Tim IMO, and invited comment on the topic (ie. narcissism). And yes, I knew what it means, but wanted to refresh myself on the finer details, hence requiring more than a mere dictionary could provide. How that translates to a discussion of Tim's behaviour specifically at his faux birthday eludes me.

Enjoy your drugs.
 
If you're going to go back to the etymology of the word and think about Narcissus in love with his own reflection, I'd say there are a few other housemates who more aptly fit the term than Tim. I don't see Tim as particularly vain, just someone with well-grounded self-esteem who doesn't seek peer approval. He's a very self-aware, self-contained individual. I'm not saying he doesn't have his flaws, but as far as housemates go, he's a very successful one because he's able to thrive in that environment without the comfort of loved ones and familiar surroundings, and is also super-entertaining. Sure, he's a total stirrer, but I don't think it comes from malice. Spiteful and malicious people tend to have a lot of insecurities, and Tim doesn't seem to have many of those!
 
torifrog said:
I didn't "overanalyse" anything - I merely presented some information on narcissism and commented it felt more appropriate to Tully than Tim IMO, and invited comment on the topic (ie. narcissism). And yes, I knew what it means, but wanted to refresh myself on the finer details, hence requiring more than a mere dictionary could provide. How that translates to a discussion of Tim's behaviour specifically at his faux birthday eludes me.

Enjoy your drugs.
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No, pretty sure you are over analysing.
 
Where did I analyse anything? I stated which traits I felt could apply, that was it. Hell if that's analysis, my Masters would have been a hell of a lot easier to get than it actually was.
 
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