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Estelle's "hard life"

See supers post above.

That does not give an example what youre talking about.

i have seen the footage, and most other footage and i am yet to see Estelle acting "like she is on such a higher plane because it is her snack of choice"(to quote you)

Seriously.. go and re-watch it
 
Well she comes from Morwell, Vic. Morwell/Moe I think has the highest unemployment in Vic.
Remember Jaiden Leski, the toddler murder, it's that area.
Poor and not very nice places.

If she was hanging around skate parks in Morwell it would be pretty rough going.

But then we have her riding in the Netherlands supposedly, how does that work? she's quite well spoken.

Michael says she's allways going on about her tough life.

All we ever hear about anything is people talking about having talked about something -why do we never hear the real conversations?

Moe = mockys on everyone
 
Not at all Maddy.

However I do think you have a bizarre notion of what real poverty is. Indeed I'm sending you an open invitation down to Woolloomooloo and I'll show you around. If you give me enough notice I'm sure I can organize some home visits with some families around here, as well as showing you the homeless shelters and the streets where many homeless people live when they can't find a bed in a shelter and where they actually live day to day, summer, winter, autumn, spring. I'm more than happy to take you for a guided tour around Redfern too and we'll see if you think that a Jag bought for less than 20 grand is a good price and worthy of being included in an idea of what poverty means.

It's up to you darling, I am more than happy to help open your eyes. I'm not a bitch, I realize that you are probably just uneducated and not a horrible person at heart. I am willing, more than willing to help rectify your muddy views.

Please send me a private message and I'l happily respond and hopefully we can organize this eye-opening tour for your benefit. That is if you are interested in broadening your horizons?!

Kind Regards, Helena


Really?! And yet you know nothing about me. My comment was that having a Range Rover, or Jag for that matter, does not mean you're earning 300k a year.

So from that one comment you've decided I'm a... what? Rich, young brat that daddy takes care of?

You know nothing, Hellzbellz.
 
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Not at all Maddy.

However I do think you have a bizarre notion of what real poverty is. Indeed I'm sending you an open invitation down to Woolloomooloo and I'll show you around. If you give me enough notice I'm sure I can organize some home visits with some families around here, as well as showing you the homeless shelters and the streets where many homeless people live when they can't find a bed in a shelter and where they actually live day to day, summer, winter, autumn, spring. I'm more than happy to take you for a guided tour around Redfern too and we'll see if you think that a Jag bought for less than 20 grand is a good price and worthy of being included in an idea of what poverty means.

It's up to you darling, I am more than happy to help open your eyes. I'm not a bitch, I realize that you are probably just uneducated and not a horrible person at heart. I am willing, more than willing to help rectify your muddy views.

Please send me a private message and I'l happily respond and hopefully we can organize this eye-opening tour for your benefit. That is if you are interested in broadening your horizons?!

Kind Regards, Helena

We were talking about a hard life, not poverty. My point was having money does not preclude someone from having problems that have caused them hardship.

As to having my eyes opened, I've already said you know nothing, so take your sanctimonious, self righteous attitude and shove it.
 
Of course wealthy people can have 'hard' lives. I thought it was obvious that when Estelle was referring to having a so called "hard life" she was referring to wealth and opportunity etc. She certainly didn't refer to a lack of love, family support or anything else.

Your responses always revolve around financial wealth. Indeed you said something like: Well you can buy a 2nd hand Jag for under 20 grand. So YOU were referring to monetary wealth when talking about Estelle's supposed "hard life". ANd now you want to try and say something different. I mean really, try and back-track all you like and try to call me sanctimonious but the truth is, you have been caught out mate.
I tried to kindly offer you a tour through a poor suburb or two, but no, your response is to deny your original statement and then have the fucking temerity to call me sanctimonious.

My advice? Grow up. Take a long hard look in the mirror.


We were talking about a hard life, not poverty. My point was having money does not preclude someone from having problems that have caused them hardship.

As to having my eyes opened, I've already said you know nothing, so take your sanctimonious, self righteous attitude and shove it.
 
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We were talking about a hard life, not poverty. My point was having money does not preclude someone from having problems that have caused them hardship.

As to having my eyes opened, I've already said you know nothing, so take your sanctimonious, self righteous attitude and shove it.

......Estelle?
 
Not at all Maddy.

However I do think you have a bizarre notion of what real poverty is. Indeed I'm sending you an open invitation down to Woolloomooloo and I'll show you around. If you give me enough notice I'm sure I can organize some home visits with some families around here, as well as showing you the homeless shelters and the streets where many homeless people live when they can't find a bed in a shelter and where they actually live day to day, summer, winter, autumn, spring. I'm more than happy to take you for a guided tour around Redfern too and we'll see if you think that a Jag bought for less than 20 grand is a good price and worthy of being included in an idea of what poverty means.

It's up to you darling, I am more than happy to help open your eyes. I'm not a bitch, I realize that you are probably just uneducated and not a horrible person at heart. I am willing, more than willing to help rectify your muddy views.

Please send me a private message and I'l happily respond and hopefully we can organize this eye-opening tour for your benefit. That is if you are interested in broadening your horizons?!

Kind Regards, Helena

You really are a self-righteous little monkey, Helena.

Given that we know the cycle of poverty in this country is built on dis-empowerment and dysfunction ie abuse/alcoholism/drugs/lack of education/long term unemployment. What are you actually doing to empower these people to help bring positive change?

Most of us know and understand the problem of welfare Australia and feel powerless to help. Apart from offering to take forum members on Contiki like poverty tours, throwing bits of hamburgers and cake to the starving poor people and visiting them in their worn out cages, what do you suggest, we, as a country do?

If you work in welfare, you are well aware of the many opportunities, programs and educational positions available for socio-economically challenged Australian’s to improve employment chances and raise self esteem and self-worth, which are completely funded by the government, and yet most don’t take it. Why do you think that is, and what ideas do you have to break that welfare cycle?
 
So why did you bring up wealth and the cost of a Jaguar?????? Indeed your entire argument involved pontificating about why, how or where Estelle may have got her money and assets from..I had to laugh when you said perhaps she inherited them. Gina Rhineheart inherited an iron ore mine too!) My point is that your views on poverty are abstract and frankly, obscene. You have no idea. Plus sweetheart, a lack of money is often a MAJOR factor in living a hard life.

Honestly, get your argument straight before you start waffling on and back-tracking and spouting all sorts of bullshit.

Again, I tried to play nice but you aren't worth it. You obviously find it impossible to have a civil, if not intelligent debate.

We were talking about a hard life, not poverty. My point was having money does not preclude someone from having problems that have caused them hardship.

As to having my eyes opened, I've already said you know nothing, so take your sanctimonious, self righteous attitude and shove it.
 
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And you are a presumptuous bitch who cannot follow the conversation properly.

You lock up poor women for a living and I have no doubt that you believe that there are many opportunities to help the poor. The statistics tell us a different story. A story that these so called opportunities aren't fucking working! Plus don't forget, it's a bare market. No matter what the politicians call this, we are in the midst of a depression, not a mere recession.

A poor mans contiki tour? Throwing hamburgers at the poor? WHAT THE FUCK? Your sarcasm may amuse you but I find it abhorrent. Perhaps you should properly read the dialogue I've had with the woman I offered to show around my neighborhood.

I don't work in welfare btw, I live amongst the poor as a poor person myself. So before you start throwing slings and poisened arrows in my direction, take a look at whom at what I'm responding to.

You really are a self-righteous little monkey, Helena.

Given that we know the cycle of poverty in this country is built on dis-empowerment and dysfunction ie abuse/alcoholism/drugs/lack of education/long term unemployment. What are you actually doing to empower these people to help bring positive change?

Most of us know and understand the problem of welfare Australia and feel powerless to help. Apart from offering to take forum members on Contiki like poverty tours, throwing bits of hamburgers and cake to the starving poor people and visiting them in their worn out cages, what do you suggest, we, as a country do?

If you work in welfare, you are well aware of the many opportunities, programs and educational positions available for socio-economically challenged Australian’s to improve employment chances and raise self esteem and self-worth, which are completely funded by the government, and yet most don’t take it. Why do you think that is, and what ideas do you have to break that welfare cycle?
 
Don't bother with them, they don't understand and never will. I consider myself fairly well off and comfortable but I still couldn't afford a $20,000 car. I grew up a lot poorer than we are now but I still never considered us to be poor because we always had food in the fridge and I had a roof over my head which my mum worked 3 jobs to keep so maybe that's why I took offence to what Maddy said as well, one thing I can tell you is we never had a car back in the day because we couldn't afford one (oh the horror). By the way I don't consider ever having had a hard life, mainly because most of the kids I grew up with and went to school with were refugees from worn torn countries, in fact my wife came over on a Refugee visa, it's all what you have experienced I guess.

And you are a presumptuous bitch who cannot follow the conversation properly.

You lock up poor women for a living and I have no doubt that you believe that there are many opportunities to help the poor. The statistics tell us a different story. A story that these so called opportunities aren't fucking working! Plus don't forget, it's a bare market. No matter what the politicians call this, we are in the midst of a depression, not a mere recession.

A poor mans contiki tour? Throwing hamburgers at the poor? WHAT THE FUCK? Your sarcasm may amuse you but I find it abhorrent. Perhaps you should properly read the dialogue I've had with the woman I offered to show around my neighborhood.

I don't work in welfare btw, I live amongst the poor as a poor person myself. So before you start throwing slings and poisened arrows in my direction, take a look at whom at what I'm responding to.
 
And you are a presumptuous bitch who cannot follow the conversation properly.

You lock up poor women for a living and I have no doubt that you believe that there are many opportunities to help the poor. The statistics tell us a different story. A story that these so called opportunities aren't fucking working! Plus don't forget, it's a bare market. No matter what the politicians call this, we are in the midst of a depression, not a mere recession.

A poor mans contiki tour? Throwing hamburgers at the poor? WHAT THE FUCK? Your sarcasm may amuse you but I find it abhorrent. Perhaps you should properly read the dialogue I've had with the woman I offered to show around my neighborhood.

I don't work in welfare btw, I live amongst the poor as a poor person myself. So before you start throwing slings and poisened arrows in my direction, take a look at whom at what I'm responding to.

Wow. That was quite a spray.

First I have to say I love the fact you have dropped the passive aggressive behaviour and are going with fully blown aggressive, I find it far more direct. My pet hate is passive aggressiveness.

Now back to your post. Speaking of presumptuous little bitches that can’t follow a conversation, there are a couple of your own presumptions that we need to clear up….

Ha!

First we need to touch on my information, that you have obviously viewed and somehow jumped to all the wrong conclusions - I don’t lock up “poor women” for a living. I have already explained this to you once before, but you obviously didn’t retain it. My forum information shows that I live in a correctional facility, not work in one; it suggests I live in one as an inmate. It is a joke, that everyone else has got, but I guess some people need jokes explained to them (twice).

Your post says "you live amongst the poor as a poor person" and it saddens me that you feel you have to label yourself as a victim. I too could smother myself in 'poor me' labels, given that I am third generation welfare, who was raised in housing commission Acacia Ridge who then continued the welfare cycle and had a baby, despite having no job, no father for the baby and an expensive drug addiction to boot. Our welfare system supported me and my son for his first eight years. During this time I was made aware as to what support programs, choices and educational opportunities were available to me and I made a goal to re-educate myself and break that cycle of a welfare, which had dogged my family, and to be a role model for my son. Pop a few well-placed mentors who helped guide and advise me on the way and presto I was able to re-educate and break that cycle.

We live in a country that does its best to support the financially challenged by offering huge support. We have the PBS to help subsidise the cost of pharmaceuticals, charities to help those in dire need, as well as many support programs such as rent assistance, government housing, The Smith Family, austudy, school based scholarships, family tax payments and so on. There are also educational opportunities and workshops which are also available for socio-economically challenged Australian’s to improve employment chances and raise self-esteem and self-worth, which are completely costed and funded by the government. However, there does come a point, where you have to take responsibility for your own choices and you have to help yourself. Magic doesn’t happen and dreams don’t come true. It takes drive and dedication and sacrifice to succeed.

I have worked hard to get where I am. I have two jobs, I work as a Community Worker and a Disability Worker and I am also in my last 8 weeks of study for nursing, which I attend one day per week and I will be a registered Enrolled Nurse come December. I love the fact I am more financially secure than I have ever been, and I feel proud that I was able to take advantage of the opportunities available to me.

I have only just started travelling and in the last two years I have visited a couple of developing counties, and I learned, through their level of poverty and despair, just how lucky we are in this country to have a safety net to fall back on. There is no welfare, health system, secondary education or PBS to catch the low income when they fall. We should feel grateful to have that, not entitled. I think JFK said it best when he said “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”.

For the first time ever, I have a brand new car and just for the record, I FUCKING LOVE IT!
 
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Wow. That was quite a spray.

I too could smother myself in 'poor me' labels, given that I am third generation welfare, who was raised in housing commission Acacia Ridge who then continued the welfare cycle and had a baby, despite having no job, no father for the baby and an expensive drug addiction to boot. Our welfare system supported me and my son for his first eight years.

I'm sorry to say this but that's not a poor me story it's a poor tax payer story, if I read your statement correctly, to use tax payers dollars to pay for a drug habit is not something to use as pity. Also my post is more directed at Maddy, from memory you didn't make that statement. I just can't see with your background how you also don't recognise how stupid the statement was.

Anyway, glad to hear you have worked out your life, and I genuinely think you have done great things for your sons future.
 
I'm sorry to say this but that's not a poor me story it's a poor tax payer story, if I read your statement correctly, to use tax payers dollars to pay for a drug habit is not something to use as pity. Also my post is more directed at Maddy, from memory you didn't make that statement. I just can't see with your background how you also don't recognise how stupid the statement was.

Anyway, glad to hear you have worked out your life, and I genuinely think you have done great things for your sons future.

I think you may be confused.

My post was in fact to Helena.

I was going to try and explain to you how poverty and addiction/sexual abuse/family dysfunction/child abuse can go hand in hand, but lost the urge. Google it. You will see how they are directly linked to each other.

You obviously missed the bigger picture of my post, but you get that. You are right. I was a drug addicted 18 year old living on welfare, sucking the tax payer dollar to help fund my addiction, it is not something I am proud of, but I won't feel shame by it either. It is what it is. Lucky for me the same tax payer dollar helped pay for my rehab and guided me to opportunities to improve my education, which would later empower me to believe in myself and open up choices to me which I never realised were available.

Given that my partner and I paid a combined $28 000 in tax this financial year and got barely anything back in a return, you can rest assured that we are proudly supporting our tax system, which supported me when I was at my lowest, and will continue to do so all of my working life.
 
I think you may be confused.

My post was in fact to Helena.

I was going to try and explain to you how poverty and addiction/sexual abuse/family dysfunction/child abuse can go hand in hand, but lost the urge. Google it. You will see how they are directly linked to each other.

You obviously missed the bigger picture of my post, but you get that. You are right. I was a drug addicted 18 year old living on welfare, sucking the tax payer dollar to help fund my addiction, it is not something I am proud of, but I won't feel shame by it either. It is what it is. Lucky for me the same tax payer dollar helped pay for my rehab and guided me to opportunities to improve my education, which would later empower me to believe in myself and open up choices to me which I never realised were available.

Given that my partner and I paid a combined $28 000 in tax this financial year and got barely anything back in a return, you can rest assured that we are proudly supporting our tax system, which supported me when I was at my lowest, and will continue to do so all of my working life.
Onya !
 
Ha!

Like sands through the hourglass, so to are the days of TraLa's life....
 
I have worked in Forensic Mental Health for the past 17 years mixing with actual sociopaths and psychopaths on a daily basis. I am not qualified to diagnose but from my observations no behaviour we are observing in the BB house come even close to either personality type.
 
I have worked in Forensic Mental Health for the past 17 years mixing with actual sociopaths and psychopaths on a daily basis. I am not qualified to diagnose but from my observations no behaviour we are observing in the BB house come even close to either personality type.

What about on the forums?

Ha!
 
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