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Estelle's "hard life"

Darling that is not called a hard life, that is called a lucky life. Honestly, I'm appalled that a few of you appear to have absolutely no idea what poverty really is in Australia, let alone the rest of the world.
The issue we are ruminating about on this thread is Estelle's proclamation of having a "hard life". I take it you know her. If everything you say is true she has lead a charmed life in comparison to the lives that truly poor children lead in this day and age and also in Australia in the last 30 years or so that I know of. Estelle ought to grow up and realise this and not throw a pity party for herself. It truly is a slap in the face to kids who live on or below the poverty line in Australia. I live and work amongst them mate, I know what I'm on about and young people like her who whinge just make me ill.

derspatz said:
Cheers viennamoo, great post, especially the bits about the O/S work experience.

Also, please forgive my less than kind posts re: Stell-aah (IE "lover spots, etc) / replies to you made earlier this season.

regarDS
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No dramas babe. Thanks heaps for having a cool head and knowing what's going on, it's hard to speak up sometimes when there are thousands of people who think spending 20k on a 2nd hand jag is a poor mans price whilst actively putting their blinders on to ignore the poverty in Australia and the world. ;)

Allgood said:
+1

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking all along.
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up_all_night said:
Because when some people watch the show they imagine themselves being in there, friends with the cool kids and so side and defend them. They can't take an objective approach. Because some people on hear like Stella, they feel they have to hold up the nasty side of the mean crew and then take it to another level. For them, as they see the house through the prism of certain house mates. They fail to understand how anyone can see things differently. So with that disconnect they feel entitled to just make up any old shit disconnected to the reality of the show, the house mates or what they've seen.
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Sure, I can picture how I would get on with all the HMs ... but I've never been one to hang with the "cool kids". I just find Estelle to be a bit of a space cadet. The stupid lavendar behind her ear, the stupid dancing with Ava, the lame raps, the having no idea which personality she is gonna put on each day ... but always proudly wearing her "I'm such an individual, nobody understands me" badge.

So I don't really think she is somebody I would want to spend a great deal of time with. Doesn't mean I'm some "mean girl" or member of the jocks/cheerleaders group. Well at least I bloody well hope not, seeing as I left high school 26 yrs ago.
 
Hellzbellz said:
Hey Maddy, how do you get that picture of your cat to move it's paws? It's so damn cute and I'm a cat owner (read: slave) who is a luddite when it comes to technology and I'd love to know how to make that happen with pictures of my cats. Cheers babe ;)
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I found an animated avatar, no way could I have done that myself!
 
indego said:
Everyone has had a hard life – according to themselves.

Every last one of us has a “hardest thing I’ve ever been through,” moment in our lives… Some of us might have the death of a parent, or a diagnosis of a life changing medical condition… Some of us might not get a pony for Christmas. But all of us will look at that “hardest thing ever,” as the hardest thing ever and react to it as such. It’s a perfectly normal stage of human development called adolescence.
It’s only as you get a bit of perspective (that tends to come with having more challenges) that you can actually look at a problem in its full context and see that maybe not getting that pony isn’t the same thing as getting run over by a bus.

That said, I knew a girl in TAFE who teared up talking about how hard it was to be diagnosed with myopia, and liked to talk about how it changed her outlook on life… I thought it was funny until I realised she wasn’t trying to make a joke, and was actually serious. Then it became fucking hilarious.
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OMG!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

And I also wanted to say that I agree completely with the rest of your post. But the bold part made me spit coffee!!
 
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Hellzbellz said:
You can pick up a 2nd hand jag for under 20k she says! I have to laugh Maddy, that shows how much you know about poverty. There are entire families who live on 20k a year. A single person living on the dole lives on 10k a year (and that hasn't risen in ten years whilst prices of food, petrol, electricity and rent have fucking gone through the roof in the last 10 years). Honestly, what planet do you come from? I tried to play nice with you but you have absolutely no understanding of the big wide world that you live in. It makes me sick to think about people like you.
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Really?! And yet you know nothing about me. My comment was that having a Range Rover, or Jag for that matter, does not mean you're earning 300k a year.

So from that one comment you've decided I'm a... what? Rich, young brat that daddy takes care of?

You know nothing, Hellzbellz.
 
Hellzbellz said:
Darling that is not called a hard life, that is called a lucky life. Honestly, I'm appalled that a few of you appear to have absolutely no idea what poverty really is in Australia, let alone the rest of the world.
The issue we are ruminating about on this thread is Estelle's proclamation of having a "hard life". I take it you know her. If everything you say is true she has lead a charmed life in comparison to the lives that truly poor children lead in this day and age and also in Australia in the last 30 years or so that I know of. Estelle ought to grow up and realise this and not throw a pity party for herself. It truly is a slap in the face to kids who live on or below the poverty line in Australia. I live and work amongst them mate, I know what I'm on about and young people like her who whinge just make me ill.
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Umm DARLING, I'm assuming/hoping you missed this part? "You don't have to be poor to have a hard life. There are so many terrible things that can happen to families and people E.g. drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, abuse etc etc. If this was the case, would you want to have in depth conversations of the such on national tv with people you don't know???" Or are you saying that someone who has grown up in a domestic violence, abusive environment has had a "lucky life"? I don't remember Estelle mentioning she was from poverty however everyone seems to go straight for the "she has horses, she can't be hard off" bullshit and I was simply saying that just because you have horses etc etc etc, doesn't mean you haven't had a hard life. Estelle is studying humanitarian law because she so strongly believes in helping to improve the welfare and happiness of people. I know that you won't appreciate this but Estelle is the most giving, caring, selfless person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.
 
Think "Mommie Dearest"..that child had unimaginable privilege and unimaginable abuse at the same time
and I am in no way saying that this is Estelle's situation...just trying to make a point
 
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Umm , are you serious ? Because surely life is what you make it and how you respond to it ? Or are you taking the piss ?


I was referring to up-all-night
 
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deelynn said:
Umm , are you serious ? Because surely life is what you make it and how you respond to it ? Or are you taking the piss ?
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Not sure who you're responding to
But...
a child cannot "make" their life, someone else does it for them until they can take over
 
Wow! Just wow! Totally shocked at some of the posts on this thread!

Firstly, those judging Estelle and whether her life has been hard or otherwise are clearly in absolutely no position to comment. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that only one poster in this thread actually knows Estelle, and therefore that poster is the only person in any position to know what her life has actually been like. Many of you have admitted that we have actually not seen Estelle discuss her life growing up, so the judgements many of you are making can only be based on one thing, a pre conceived dislike of her, because they certainly are not based on any knowledge of her life.

Secondly, I am staggered at the narrow-mindedness of some people on here, that somehow if you have or are around money, then your life is not hard, after all, money determines everything right? As viennamoo has pointed out, there can be so many other contributing factors to someone's life being hard. Do you think someone who is from money has never suffered from depression? Got in to or been surrounded by drugs? Been in a domestic violence situation? Even taken their own life? Money does not determine everything and it is frankly a pretty sad reflection on some of the posters here that they cannot think beyond what someone has, and accknowledge that in spite of what they have, their life may well still have been genuinely hard.
 
Yes tell people if they've had hard lives that they actually could have a worse life and they are wrong for complaining. That does nothing to the mental well being of someone, blaming them for not being happier. As if something is wrong with them. All mental health professionals I am sure use that approach.....

Once again the Estelle haters blame Estelle for everything.
 
i hard a hard life too noone asked me to be a fuckwit on a reality tv show
 
Matt34 said:
Wow! Just wow! Totally shocked at some of the posts on this thread!

Firstly, those judging Estelle and whether her life has been hard or otherwise are clearly in absolutely no position to comment. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that only one poster in this thread actually knows Estelle, and therefore that poster is the only person in any position to know what her life has actually been like. Many of you have admitted that we have actually not seen Estelle discuss her life growing up, so the judgements many of you are making can only be based on one thing, a pre conceived dislike of her, because they certainly are not based on any knowledge of her life.

Secondly, I am staggered at the narrow-mindedness of some people on here, that somehow if you have or are around money, then your life is not hard, after all, money determines everything right? As viennamoo has pointed out, there can be so many other contributing factors to someone's life being hard. Do you think someone who is from money has never suffered from depression? Got in to or been surrounded by drugs? Been in a domestic violence situation? Even taken their own life? Money does not determine everything and it is frankly a pretty sad reflection on some of the posters here that they cannot think beyond what someone has, and accknowledge that in spite of what they have, their life may well still have been genuinely hard.
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so much this.

haters like hellzbellz probably blame estelle for picking herself up by her bootstraps and making something of her life. how dare she climb up out of her hard life!
 
Hellzbellz said:
Darling that is not called a hard life, that is called a lucky life.
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My observations made over five years of living next door to a family who ran/trained horses for a living is that it is clearly a hard, hard life, typically starting way before dawn and not finishing some nights until the early morning again (unloading, brushing down and feeding horses from floats after transporting them home from distant country towns after meets) ... and that didn't even involve unpaid riders and hands sleeping above the stables and merely riding for their keep/board.

I never saw anything to indicate it as being anything other than hard work and a hard life.

I have no doubt Stell-aah has done the hard yards and now has (and displays) a value system that is all the better for her willingness to do it hard in such a way.

For example, just the other night while other HMs were ooing and aahing and more of less wringing their hands over Sam and lalalayla doing it hard over in the wrecked captain's quarters, what was Stell-aahs primary reaction ?

Something selfless. She went and cooked some food for them.

I suspect why some of the other HMs and certainly the haters in here want Estelle out of the house is similar to the same reason various folk in here hate on Tony Abbott so much.

The simple reason is that both Estelle and Tony's light shines too bright for them and it makes the hater's own lights look all the more dim if not dark by comparison.

So they seek to remove from view if not snuff out that which makes them look bad.

regarDS
 
riddim said:
so much this.

haters like hellzbellz probably blame estelle for picking herself up by her bootstraps and making something of her life. how dare she climb up out of her hard life!
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+1 ...squared. Well said Matt34
 
viennamoo said:
Umm DARLING, I'm assuming/hoping you missed this part? "You don't have to be poor to have a hard life. There are so many terrible things that can happen to families and people E.g. drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, abuse etc etc.
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Thank you for spelling this out! It's a shame some people are apparently so restricted to their own fields that they can't comprehend the fact that poverty is not the only cause of a 'hard life'. Jumping to conclusions can have embarrassing results sometimes.

It's good to have input from someone who knows a HM personally too.
 
viennamoo,


Do you know Estelle through the horse industry or are you both from the same neck of the woods?
 
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