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Estelle's "hard life"

Hellzbellz said:
Darling that is not called a hard life, that is called a lucky life. Honestly, I'm appalled that a few of you appear to have absolutely no idea what poverty really is in Australia, let alone the rest of the world.
The issue we are ruminating about on this thread is Estelle's proclamation of having a "hard life". I take it you know her. If everything you say is true she has lead a charmed life in comparison to the lives that truly poor children lead in this day and age and also in Australia in the last 30 years or so that I know of. Estelle ought to grow up and realise this and not throw a pity party for herself. It truly is a slap in the face to kids who live on or below the poverty line in Australia. I live and work amongst them mate, I know what I'm on about and young people like her who whinge just make me ill.
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Daaaaaarling....

For the record, I am equally as appalled that you appear to equate hard/easy life with money.

A hard life doesn’t come down to money, it comes down to abuse, neglect, and not being nurtured and guided in an appropriate and loving manner as a child.

A healthy childhood holds you in good stead for the rest of your life. A bad one can take your whole life to undo, no matter where you sit on the monetary ladder.

You don’t know what sort of life this girl has lead. And to decide she has had a charmed life because of a fucking pony and a Range Rover really reflects your ignorance.

For the record, anyone in Australia can turn a hard life, into a lucky life. I am proof of that. Australia is built on freedom and opportunity, you just have to get off your arse to find them.

You said "I know what I'm on about and young people like her who whinge just make me ill". Personally I don't think you have a clue what you are on about, and passive aggressive ignorant people like you make me ill, so there!

Ha!

Matt34 said:
Wow! Just wow! Totally shocked at some of the posts on this thread!

Firstly, those judging Estelle and whether her life has been hard or otherwise are clearly in absolutely no position to comment. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that only one poster in this thread actually knows Estelle, and therefore that poster is the only person in any position to know what her life has actually been like. Many of you have admitted that we have actually not seen Estelle discuss her life growing up, so the judgements many of you are making can only be based on one thing, a pre conceived dislike of her, because they certainly are not based on any knowledge of her life.

Secondly, I am staggered at the narrow-mindedness of some people on here, that somehow if you have or are around money, then your life is not hard, after all, money determines everything right? As viennamoo has pointed out, there can be so many other contributing factors to someone's life being hard. Do you think someone who is from money has never suffered from depression? Got in to or been surrounded by drugs? Been in a domestic violence situation? Even taken their own life? Money does not determine everything and it is frankly a pretty sad reflection on some of the posters here that they cannot think beyond what someone has, and accknowledge that in spite of what they have, their life may well still have been genuinely hard.
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Edited my post to include this.

If I had have waited till I finished reading the thread before tapping my outrage, I would have found that someone else actually said everything I was feeling - only so much better!

Really well said, Matt34!
 
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derspatz said:
I suspect why some of the other HMs and certainly the haters in here want Estelle out of the house is similar to the same reason various folk in here hate on Tony Abbott so much.
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I'm not into Estelle's personality and I don't like her as a HM but I reckon comparisons with Tony Abbott is going too far. She's not that bad.

The business about a hard life is so relative it's difficult to gauge. It just seems making an issue about your hard life and then remaining coy as to what that is plays badly.

What I dislike about Estelle is her sense of superiority as special, better and holding more significant views. She likes to make a point of her "hard life" but has she really bothered to consider that she may be talking to someone who's life might have been harder?
 
derspatz said:
My observations made over five years of living next door to a family who ran/trained horses for a living is that it is clearly a hard, hard life, typically starting way before dawn and not finishing some nights until the early morning again (unloading, brushing down and feeding horses from floats after transporting them home from distant country towns after meets) ... and that didn't even involve unpaid riders and hands sleeping above the stables and merely riding for their keep/board.

I never saw anything to indicate it as being anything other than hard work and a hard life.

I have no doubt Stell-aah has done the hard yards and now has (and displays) a value system that is all the better for her willingness to do it hard in such a way.

For example, just the other night while other HMs were ooing and aahing and more of less wringing their hands over Sam and lalalayla doing it hard over in the wrecked captain's quarters, what was Stell-aahs primary reaction ?

Something selfless. She went and cooked some food for them.

I suspect why some of the other HMs and certainly the haters in here want Estelle out of the house is similar to the same reason various folk in here hate on Tony Abbott so much.

The simple reason is that both Estelle and Tony's light shines too bright for them and it makes the hater's own lights look all the more dim if not dark by comparison.

So they seek to remove from view if not snuff out that which makes them look bad.

regarDS
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Just because they do long days etc does not make it a hard life, that's what you do when you have a passion for something like that.

If it was such a hard life then you wouldn't do it would you, you would seek another passion/career
 
up_all_night said:
You were going well there DS until you brought up Abbot.
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But one must seize each moment to enlighten the world that you are a Liberal voter, and there for orientated to the political right!!!
If people don’t know who you vote for, however will they know that you’re a morally upstanding citizen whose opinion is worth significantly more than those on the left?

Hehe. No offence meant DS, that had to have been the best non sequitur I’ve come across for a while, and I simple had to embrace the humour in it.

Simpo said:
Just because they do long days etc does not make it a hard life, that's what you do when you have a passion for something like that.

If it was such a hard life then you wouldn't do it would you, you would seek another passion/career
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I agree with you in one regard, long days do not make life hard if you have a passion for what you’re doing. And yes, you can always change careers (although I don’t know what options would be available to an ex horse trainer…)

But long hours (especially in a situation where there’s no one to cover for you if you’re sick) DO change your outlook on like. It does not by any means make a life “hard,” but you learn to prioritise everything, cut out the unnecessary and unenjoyable, and you learn to suck it up and get on with it.

Like I said, it’s doesn’t make it a “hard life,” but it DOES make it a different one.
 
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viennamoo said:
I hate to repeat myself but...since when does owning two properties (with her mother) and a 1997 Range Rover make you rich, when the two properties are in rural parts of Vic (morwell)? Just because you dropout of school and are studying doesnt mean you cant earn a decent amount of money, She works full time for a Government agency and is studying via correspondence. When Estelle worked overseas with horses, she had to save for her flight, she slept above a horse stable, cleaned out stables and rode 8 horses a day to earn her breakfast, lunch and dinner. She didn't get paid for it and it wasn't a holiday, she did it for the experience. Also a lot of the horses she has had she started from nothing or they have been lease horses. None of you have any idea what her life was like growing up. You don't have to be poor to have a hard life. There are so many terrible things that can happen to families and people E.g. drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, abuse etc etc. If this was the case would you want to have in depth conversations of the such on national tv with people you don't know???
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Thank you very much for what you wrote. I understand Estelle a little better now. I would have never judged her on what I have seen on BB.

You are right you don't have to be poor to have had a hard life.

What about having been continuously sexually abused from the age of 4 to 14, with very rich parents? And now that person is a multi millionaire? BUT the emotional scars are still very much there. (No, it’s not me)
 
Wow, so many silly posts in this thread! Luckily some ppl with hlf a brain have raised all the points i was going to. Just two things to add though:

1. On one of the daily shows this week there was a convo between Josh and Michael, where they were complaining about Estelle. Josh actually said he is sick of hearing about how hard her life was. Not that he didnt believe her, or didnt feel sorry at all, just that she keeps talking about it like its some kind of badge of honour. Being sick of hearing someone babble on about one subject over and over would get old anywhere, let alone inside the BB house!

2. Even though we have fuck all access to what these ppl are really like (ie no live streaming), then I am happy to go along with what the majority of them think. That is that Estelle is an overbearing pain in the arse. From the little we are shown I tend to agree with them, and as I said, if so many of them think the same way about her, I tend to believe them.
 
Evolution said:
Wow, so many silly posts in this thread! Luckily some ppl with hlf a brain have raised all the points i was going to. Just two things to add though:

1. On one of the daily shows this week there was a convo between Josh and Michael, where they were complaining about Estelle. Josh actually said he is sick of hearing about how hard her life was. Not that he didnt believe her, or didnt feel sorry at all, just that she keeps talking about it like its some kind of badge of honour. Being sick of hearing someone babble on about one subject over and over would get old anywhere, let alone inside the BB house!

2. Even though we have fuck all access to what these ppl are really like (ie no live streaming), then I am happy to go along with what the majority of them think. That is that Estelle is an overbearing pain in the arse. From the little we are shown I tend to agree with them, and as I said, if so many of them think the same way about her, I tend to believe them.
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Thankyou for putting what I was thinking in words!
 
from what i can see, only josh michael and angie are die hard estelle haters, considering themselves one spineless whinger, one egotistic and one green eyed bogan, that really doesnt make estelle that bad.
 
viennamoo said:
I hate to repeat myself but...since when does owning two properties (with her mother) and a 1997 Range Rover make you rich, when the two properties are in rural parts of Vic (morwell)? Just because you dropout of school and are studying doesnt mean you cant earn a decent amount of money, She works full time for a Government agency and is studying via correspondence. When Estelle worked overseas with horses, she had to save for her flight, she slept above a horse stable, cleaned out stables and rode 8 horses a day to earn her breakfast, lunch and dinner. She didn't get paid for it and it wasn't a holiday, she did it for the experience. Also a lot of the horses she has had she started from nothing or they have been lease horses. None of you have any idea what her life was like growing up. You don't have to be poor to have a hard life. There are so many terrible things that can happen to families and people E.g. drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, abuse etc etc. If this was the case would you want to have in depth conversations of the such on national tv with people you don't know???
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I want to repost this because it is so true. There is so much we don't know that for us to judge is just silly.
It really goes to show how BB colours out POVs by only showing what others say about Estelle and not showing her telling her story or anything else. BB is being particularly sneaky in making us form our opinion of Estelle based mostly on what others say.
 
We have never heard Estelle say she had a hard life, we have only heard HM's say it about her, perhaps they are referring to facts she has let slip not claims she has made.

If you were to keep telling me I have to conform to the norm I would be forced to keep telling you why I can't, or don't want to, do as you ask. You might then claim I am a broken record because I keep telling you the same thing over and over and over again without seeing that I wouldn't keep saying it if you didn't keep putting me in a position where that's all I can say.

What I do know, as a psychologist, is that the harder a person's life has been the more "wierd" they can seem to people whose idea of hardship is not having enough money!
 
indego said:
Assumeing viennamoo is female...
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a redundant statement. We already know that viennamoo is female because she states in her post that Estelle was one of her (viennamoo's) bridesmaids.. and only a bride has bridesmaids. The article 'she' in "Sure SHE was" is referring to Estelle.. who we also already know is female

:)
 
It's a hard life when no one believes you're a gangster when you tweet pictures of your LV jeans..

As someone said, hard life doesn't mean poor. Which clearly she isn't....
 
Morbo said:
a redundant statement. We already know that viennamoo is female because she states in her post that Estelle was one of her (viennamoo's) bridesmaids.. and only a bride has bridesmaids. The article 'she' in "Sure SHE was" is referring to Estelle.. who we also already know is female

:)
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...And off goes the light bulb. Can you believe I'm an ex-editing student? lmfao.
 
Maybe Estelle had a hard life because of the extremely irritating skin condition that was making her wriggle all over the carpet in tonight's DS.
 
Hellzbellz said:
Darling that is not called a hard life, that is called a lucky life. Honestly, I'm appalled that a few of you appear to have absolutely no idea what poverty really is in Australia, let alone the rest of the world.
The issue we are ruminating about on this thread is Estelle's proclamation of having a "hard life". I take it you know her. If everything you say is true she has lead a charmed life in comparison to the lives that truly poor children lead in this day and age and also in Australia in the last 30 years or so that I know of. Estelle ought to grow up and realise this and not throw a pity party for herself. It truly is a slap in the face to kids who live on or below the poverty line in Australia. I live and work amongst them mate, I know what I'm on about and young people like her who whinge just make me ill.
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"I take it you know her"
Do you?
 
Jam said:
Maybe Estelle had a hard life because of the extremely irritating skin condition that was making her wriggle all over the carpet in tonight's DS.
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She was just copying delilah ;-)
 
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