Estelle's "hard life"

[eliza]

I'm sorry if my post came across as me having ago at you because it wasn't even directed at anyone? More to the whole thread as everyone was speculating about Estelles financial situation. Also what Tess said about me repeating myself was because she asked me about Estelle studying? Anyway, I do have a lot of time on my hands between baby crying/feeding/crying/sleeping/crying/crying/crying

I don't think you get first home owners if you co-own a property with someone who already owns a place.

It is less unrealistic now that you have explained that she is only paying for half of one property. Most full-time workers who have managed to save a deposit could stretch to afford one property.

Cheers Viennna.

 

[ichi]

So why didn't Estelle just tell the housemates that instead of going on with all the 'oh so mysterious' crap!? How hard for her to say I co-own with my Mum. Why was she getting stoned in Amsterdam if she was working oh so hard cleaning out horse stables?

I think it is fair to say by now there is no hard life to be had. Just a normal young australian life.

 

[up_all_night]

She doesn't have to fully tell anyone anything. All the house mates do that crap. Look at Josh with this, "i go to bali four times a year." Not explaining it.

 

[sprite]

If you're not going to elaborate, don't exaggerate!

If she had explained that she had worked hard to get where she is due to money problems etc, I would admire her. But, to keep going 'woe is me' (and this is not just my opinion but shared by many who are actually in the house with her 24 hours a day), well then elaborate rather than brushing it off with "I work for the government, so I can't say anything."

 

[up_all_night]

When is an example of her going woe is me?

Not Josh in general terms talking about her.

 

[aajptt]

I'm sorry if my post came across as me having ago at you because it wasn't even directed at anyone? More to the whole thread as everyone was speculating about Estelles financial situation. Also what Tess said about me repeating myself was because she asked me about Estelle studying? Anyway, I do have a lot of time on my hands between baby crying/feeding/crying/sleeping/crying/crying/crying

I can relate with the baby time, I have mastered the art of feeding and typing. I take no responsibility for any post I make at 2 am, its pure delirium.
I pull out my phone so I don't fall asleep.


How do you think your girl tonight, I'm a tad worried, I would rather her get angry and reactive than passive.

I think she needs to have a good yell and throw some shit around. But from what you have told us that is not in her nature.



It must be hard for you watch sometimes

 

[Someone]

If you're not going to elaborate, don't exaggerate!

If she had explained that she had worked hard to get where she is due to money problems etc, I would admire her. But, to keep going 'woe is me' (and this is not just my opinion but shared by many who are actually in the house with her 24 hours a day), well then elaborate rather than brushing it off with "I work for the government, so I can't say anything."

Why do people keep trying to justify their unsubstantiated opinions by using the opinions of other housemates as some sort of "evidence"? We've only heard the most superficial snippets of the other housemates' opinions on this issue, but even if we had heard everything that they have ever said about Estelle, this would still be useless and irrelevant information until we got to hear first hand what she has actually said about her life experience. Why would anyone in their right mind want to base their opinions on biased hearsay spoken by people who have a long trend of demonising Estelle for no apparent reason?

 

[Morbo]

If you're not going to elaborate, don't exaggerate!

If she had explained that she had worked hard to get where she is due to money problems etc, I would admire her. But, to keep going 'woe is me' (and this is not just my opinion but shared by many who are actually in the house with her 24 hours a day), well then elaborate rather than brushing it off with "I work for the government, so I can't say anything."

totally agree with up_all_night.

Where sprite where is all this first hand footage of estelle saying woe is me and even of her mentioning this 'hard life' in her words. All that you are going from is what other housemates regurgitate.

Forming such definitive opinions of yours from what is clearly here-say until we hear it from her mouth is a rookie mistake and as such makes your ramblings all the more unsubstantiated

 

[ichi]

Pffft you mean like UAN definitively diagnosing Ben as a sociopathic psychopath?

I'd also like to point out that there has been no footage that disproves the notion of woe is me either. It's all hearsay and conjecture.

 

[Morbo]

Pffft you mean like UAN definitively diagnosing Ben as a sociopathic psychopath?

No idea what you mean with that one. i was referring to the above post of his

I'd also like to point out that there has been no footage that disproves the notion of woe is me either. It's all hearsay and conjecture.

Completely agree with you. I never said that she did not say these things but until we hear it for ourselves we cant form a definitive opinion either way... at least i cant. But i can see what people are doing based on what she 'supposedly' said.

But, at the end of the day.. if she actually did say these things and these are the worst things she has said, i would still prefer that anyday to a mean-spirited, vindictive person that Angie comes across as in her televised footage

 

[Someone]

Pffft you mean like UAN definitively diagnosing Ben as a sociopathic psychopath?

I'd also like to point out that there has been no footage that disproves the notion of woe is me either. It's all hearsay and conjecture.

Well I've yet to see any footage which disproves that Ben enjoys ripping the heads off babies and drinking the blood, but I'm going to assume he does until I see any evidence to the contrary.

 

[abbie1217]

You have to remember josh's woe is me rant came after she confronted him about shutting her up which she had every right to. His rant was his.way of turning it back on her and making it seem like she was the problem.

 

[supermonster]

Forming such definitive opinions of yours from what is clearly here-say until we hear it from her mouth is a rookie mistake and as such makes your ramblings all the more unsubstantiated

It's a problem with the lack of footage in general. That being said, we're trying to piece together and understand why HMs are so off Estelle. We have these clues such as Josh summing her up as playing for sympathy. Apparently HMs have heard her talk about her hard life but without detail. It fits with numerous examples of her self-aggrandisement.

It seems maybe she's a little embarrassed by her good life. There was some background on her around here linked in a thread that I can't find now that mentioned she was a member of Socialist Alliance. It's a hard life being a middle class lefty.

 

[Morbo]

It's a problem with the lack of footage in general. That being said, we're trying to piece together and understand why HMs are so off Estelle. We have these clues such as Josh summing her up as playing for sympathy. Apparently HMs have heard her talk about her hard life but without detail. It fits with numerous examples of her self-aggrandisement.

It seems maybe she's a little embarrassed by her good life. There was some background on her around here linked in a thread that I can't find now that mentioned she was a member of Socialist Alliance. It's a hard life being a middle class lefty.

True.. so true.. this lack of footage is infuriating. Honestly, i too would love to understand exactly why they are so off her and there have been a few moments where she has said things that make me understand a bit (ie the 'addicted to pushing myself' garbage she said) so i think i can kind of relate to some of what theyre feeling.. but, and this is a big but.. the housemates on a regular basis, through footage we see, seem to fuel the notion that irrespective of her little annoying 'quirks' and things she might say here and there(which EVERYONE, including the other housemates have and do), they chose to single her out and make her the house scapegoat (as was even admitted by many housemates and how they felt bad because they had allowed themselves to not think for themselves, probably from fear of being excluded also). So through this footage of the other housemates, they come off as exaggerating things about estelle so she remains the scapegoat, and they also come off as being more nasty than they need to be. Whereas what ive seen of estelle, yes she might be odd or awkward at times, but she also appears kind, warm and interesting and not in any way nasty.

Why dont they just show this footage, even one bit of footage (because apparently she goes on about this hard life a bit so there must be loads of footage.. youd think right?) of estelle in her own words saying something about this hard life so that we, i, whoever can get a more accurate idea! But they dont mysteriously, yet they show on many many occasions other housemates being mean to Estelle. Youd think they would let the viewers know exactly why the other hm's are/were being mean to her other than just second or third hand accounts by the said, mean, instigative housemates

 

[up_all_night]

Pffft you mean like UAN definitively diagnosing Ben as a sociopathic psychopath?

I'd also like to point out that there has been no footage that disproves the notion of woe is me either. It's all hearsay and conjecture.

Saying Ben was a psychopath was simply ticking off the Hare Psychopathy Checklist against his behavior as occurring in the daily shows.

It's different than saying someone is doing/saying stuff in the house with out actually hearing it.

It's just relying on people bitching and how the characterize her apparent attitude. With no relation of exactly what she was doing or saying. Hell if you watch the show, people throw hissy fits because Estelle dips carrots in dips saying she orgasms about broccoli? Should we take it on face value Estelle has orgasmic dreams on broccoli? Of course not. Josh complaining about Estelle is the same way. Further to this, they are in a house where the game is to get people to not nominate you. Directing people to vote certain ways, co-ordinating under the radar. Which ads another level of unreliability on the accuracy of bitching about house mates to one and other.

It'd be comparable maybe if you were saying, "look at all these examples of Estelle's behavior, it appears as if she likes being woe as me." Which isn't what happened. It's now taking comments said by a house mate and at best maybe trying to retrofit some stuff. Nothing that'd have made you come to the conclusion with out being told it by Josh.

Ben as a psychopath was identifying behavior that seemed like that of a work place bully. Creating a hypothesis. Then testing that hypothesis against a checklist designed to identify psychopaths. To either confirm or deny.

 

[up_all_night]

You have to remember josh's woe is me rant came after she confronted him about shutting her up which she had every right to. His rant was his.way of turning it back on her and making it seem like she was the problem.

I think this gets to a lot of the bitching. We all do it in various forms. You go into damage control. I also suspect the woe is me allegations against Estelle is a way of trying to minimize or remove any guilt for constantly nominating her. You deflect their reaction to being nominated as being solely on them. They're to blame. To try and alleviate the fact it's because the house mates keep nominating her.

 

[ichi]

Well I can identify plenty of attention seeking, please look at me, I am evolved to a higher state than you behaviour from Estelle but I don't think I cna attach the name of a disorder to it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Re the broccoli, it's because she acts like she is on such a higher plane because it is her snack of choice, they did the same thing to Sarah when she went on vego rants. Her comments that Angie was a sugar fairy or something were like AND? who the hell cares if Angie is, who appointed Estelle god of what can and cannot be eaten?

Some people just can't see the Estelle problems for the lavender!!

 

[supermonster]

Saying Ben was a psychopath was simply ticking off the Hare Psychopathy Checklist against his behavior as occurring in the daily shows.

You cobbled together a series of decontextualised and misrepresented examples so that you could bleat about how you thought he was a psychopath. The check list was a fig leaf of justification. There was never a credible hypothesis because you never presented a statement that could be subjected to testing and failure.

The whole question of Ben being a psychopath was disgracefully begged in the first instance. You presented information in a way that would bring about your preferred conclusion.

Hell if you watch the show, people throw hissy fits because Estelle dips carrots in dips saying she orgasms about broccoli? Should we take it on face value Estelle has orgasmic dreams on broccoli? Of course not.

I watch the show and hear Angie make a remark about Estelle's broccoli dreams after Estelle's veggie comments (including put downs of Angie as a sugar fairy) with context supplied by the voice over narrator reminding me that there's a pattern to Estelle's 'healthy eating' sermonising.

Why are HMs not fans of Estelle? There are clues but no direct footage. I'm weighing up the options to understand the household/Estelle dynamic. On the one hand there are reasons. The "hard life" bit is one. On the other hand Estelle is incredibly unfortunate to have been cast in a reality show full of people who simply enjoy being mean to her for its own sake.

That doesn't seem very likely to me so I'm plumbing for there being actual reasons for HMs responses to Estelle. There's a clue that she thinks she's in the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.

 

[Morbo]

Well I can identify plenty of attention seeking, please look at me, I am evolved to a higher state than you behaviour from Estelle but I don't think I cna attach the name of a disorder to it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Re the broccoli, it's because she acts like she is on such a higher plane because it is her snack of choice, they did the same thing to Sarah when she went on vego rants. Her comments that Angie was a sugar fairy or something were like AND? who the hell cares if Angie is, who appointed Estelle god of what can and cannot be eaten?

Some people just can't see the Estelle problems for the lavender!!

Honestly, i dont know where you get it from but i have yet to see in actual footage of Estelle acting "like she is on such a higher plane because it is her snack of choice".

Where do you get this from? you sound like one of the housemates that has it in for her no matter what she does or how she does it

 

[ichi]

See supers post above.