Deaths of Minor Celebrities

[pwta]

Oh good on ya, now you've made me sad.

Ok, then, well, I'm sad that Eliza is sad even though that might make Eliza sadder again, given that she is prone to get sad at other people's sadness, which will mean I will become even sadder. Eliza might then become really really sad, leaving me really, really, really sad. Then Eliza will be ...

Yes, it's all very sad that it is sad her daughter is going through this sad situation.

 

[Emcee]

Oh good on ya, now you've made me sad.

 

[pwta]

Awww ... that panda looks so sad !!!!

*runs off sobbing*

 

[eliza]

Agree here. But stress & anxiety are now official diseases what do you think of that?

Yes Anxiety and Stress are real both are listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. (DSM -IV)

I have nursed many people with Anxiety Disorders and Acute Stress Disorders and I would not wish either on my worst enemy. It sh*ts me off when people (not you Mud) go on about the pill popping society.

Anxiety is caused by Genetics, biochemistry, life situations, family history just to name a few. Our ability to handle stress depends on so many factors how big the trauma is, the cause and how much trauma we have experienced in the past.

I thought in 2012 that people's attitudes would have changed.

 

[Fowl an Sic]

Oh good on ya, now you've made me sad.

Oh no, now I'm so sad I have to post 5 consecutive unhappy smilies - an unprecedented occurrence on any forum I believe.

 

[Fowl an Sic]

It sh*ts me off when people (not you Mud) go on about the pill popping society.

...

I thought in 2012 that people's attitudes would have changed.

Here you go, Eliza, something to help you with your shits.

 

[Fowl an Sic]

Denial is a normal stage of grieving.

Not in the sense being used here. Besides, I reckon stating anything is normal is thwart. People are complex, react differently to situations, however, that doesn't make every reaction best or preferable for the person. Some reactions are self-harming. Apart from the initial refusal to believe a certain situation, which is how I believe you are using the word "denial", suspending or denying yourself grieving emotions isn't healthy or normal. The fact that some people are capable of doing it, doesn't make it so either.

Here, it seems, depending upon the way in which one uses the word, potentially there can be a denial of initial denial as grieving. Would it be possible to deny that denial? It's like the infectious sadness which Eliza is suffering from, threatening to engulf the world as it spreads.

Let's take Bindi Irwin, it would have been natural for her to walk around for a time, saying "I can't believe my dad is dead ... I just can't believe it! No! No! No!". That type of reaction, yes, I would agree is natural as part of the grieving process. I've experienced that myself. But to carry on one's life suspending or never dealing with the loss is the way it was being discussed here, which is the behaviour which Bindi displayed. Even when she appeared a little unhappy, it seemed like something someone told her to behave like, not a genuinely expressed emotion.

Getting back to Whitney's daughter. I'm glad she is dealing with her mother's death by grieving. Hopefully the doctors caring for her don't drug her out too much rather than allowing her to experience grief. Maybe experiencing that pain will make it harder for her to inflict that pain on her daughter, son, or other loved ones in the future by recklessly using pills, as well as sparing people like Eliza sadness.

 

[Taylia]

Pity if it leaves her totally screwed up and guilt stricken later in life. Easier isn't always best, and denial is not a good state to live in. I'm surprised to read someone, such as yourself, who acknowledges grief as normal, seeming to suggest its denial is to be preferred.

I won't bother listing my experiences with grief. This is not a competition to see who is best qualified in understanding reactions to death.

I used to wonder why some cultures would pay mourners to grieve at funerals. Now I understand a little better perhaps - to show some particularly thick and slow people how to behave naturally. I've had this experience here in Australia at a funeral of a close friend who everyone else also said they loved. I was astonished at how composed almost everyone was at the funeral.

Sometimes I wonder that those that are whaling at funerals are not just doing so for 'a look at me' response or 'must be hurting more because I am louder'. I makes me uncomfortable. But I have not grown up in their environment to understand it better.

As far as Bobbi Christina I think it is very sad that her health is suffering so much she has to hospitalised. I wouldn't say that is normal, just that my heart wrenches for the suffering she must be feeling.

Just because some people seem to show they are coping doesn't mean all is ok. It can manifest latter in terrible ways and usually further down the track when understanding is no longer forth coming.

 

[eliza]

Here you go, Eliza, something to help you with your shits.

Pass, I just dish them out. if only they had a tablet for empathy

 

[Fowl an Sic]

Pass, I just dish them out. if only that had a tablet for empathy

Empathy comes in many guises. I don't need a pill for mine. Coupled with short sightedness and quick fixes, worse aliments often evolve than those originally empathised about.

 

[Fowl an Sic]

Sometimes I wonder that those that are whaling at funerals are not just doing so for 'a look at me' response or 'must be hurting more because I am louder'. I makes me uncomfortable. But I have not grown up in their environment to understand it better.

Yep, although no-one accused me of as much, I thought it was a possibility that some may have thought that way at my friend's funeral. Although freely crying, I managed to retain some self-composure mostly, until his coffin was carried away to the hearse with mother distraughtly following and wailing, "There he goes! There he goes! He is going!", unable to stand by herself as she walked. After that I had no composure left, regardless of what show people thought I was putting on. In the end, after my own outpouring, I concluded it wasn't me putting on the show, but others who were restraining themselves, perhaps afraid by Aussie macho culture to express themselves, if they felt any great emotion at all.

I think the English, and Australians because many of them have English heritage, have some unusual difficulty with showing natural emotions at times.

 

[Taylia]

I think the English, and Australians because many of them have English heritage, have some unusual difficulty with showing natural emotions at times.

I am sure that is true. I wonder if with Bindi and family if living in the animal world has given them a different perspective on life and death. I'm sure they have seen a lot of death in their young years.

One person I will never forgive is the so called girlfriend of my husbands father who passed away. Not only from the day he died she call herself defacto, something they would not admit to when he was alive, but that she got her sister to video the funeral. Not just from the back, but from the front, panning the mourners. I thought this was the height of rudeness.

 

[eliza]

Empathy comes in many guises. I don't need a pill for mine. Coupled with short sightedness and quick fixes, worse aliments often evolve than those originally empathised about.

I agree when not appropriately prescribed medication can do more harm than good, however the right medication in the right dose can save lives.

 

[Fowl an Sic]

I am sure that is true. I wonder if with Bindi and family if living in the animal world has given them a different perspective on life and death. I'm sure they have seen a lot of death in their young years.

Keeping in mind that their "animal world" is just another branch of the entertainment world, I wouldn't be surprised if it is responsible for the perverse reaction. Rural farming people would be just as familiar with the animal world as the Irwins, but don't see it as an invitation to provide a spectacle or make themselves the centre of attention.

In case you haven't realised, I was no fan of Steve Irwin, regarded him as a wildlife pest - nor am I of his family or business. I hope Bindi rises above it all one day.

 

[Mud Cake]

I am sure that is true. I wonder if with Bindi and family if living in the animal world has given them a different perspective on life and death. I'm sure they have seen a lot of death in their young years.

One person I will never forgive is the so called girlfriend of my husbands father who passed away. Not only from the day he died she call herself defacto, something they would not admit to when he was alive, but that she got her sister to video the funeral. Not just from the back, but from the front, panning the mourners. I thought this was the height of rudeness.

Not just rude but extremely tacky

 

[allican]

It may be, or maybe it was for someone who couldn't be there. I couldn't be at my mother's funeral - long story, I won't go into it - and was so grateful for a cassette of the service, notes and stories from the people who were there. It would have been nice to have a video.

If it was just to relive it, then it's a little weird to say the least.

 

[derspatz]

not yet known whether the singer died before or after becoming submerged in a bath tub.

Was it a spa bath ?

Anyhoo, hot bath, blood pressure goes up, brain says it wants more oxygenated blood than should go to feet, puts the body into a faint, head indeed goes lower despite it not being the best location for that to happen. glug, glug, glug, choke, choke, choke, etc.

Bloke at work lost his 21yo son in a hot spring in South America around 3 months ago basically the same way. He had had a few drinks with mates, they left, he stayed to look at the stars for a bit longer, and the authorities fished his body out the next day.

Those warnings on hot springs about not staying in too long are for a reason ...

Not a good idea to hot bath, hot springs, hot spa alone or for too long, particularly in a source of hot water that doesn't cool off relatively quickly making you wanna get out before your core heats up too much and your blood pressure stays artificially higher than normal for too long.

Particularly if your body and its systems have been previously weakend by various kinds of self-abuse over the years, whether it was substance abuse or by being a lyrca clad cyclerrorist 8 days a week or reading too much BTB.

So, if you're looking for a way of getting rid of granny or your crack-whore mum or some of the retirees who are driving you crazy at the hospise where you work, dial up the thermostat and timers on their hotwater system, spa, sauna, or hydotherapy pool.

regarDS

 

[eliza]

^^^ One of my mates seems to live in his new outdoor spa and I do know he is partial to a drop of vino. I'm going to mention it to him because his wife works nights and he often has a spa after she goes off to work.

Re medication and mental illness, the trouble is that people who are genuinely unwell and who would benefit from medication are lumped in with those who just have poor coping mechanisms and don't want to try and help themselves and want drugs as a quick fix. These days most GP's will do proper assessments to ensure the correct treatment is given whether that be referral to a specialist, therapy or some sort or a medication regime.

 

[derspatz]

^^^ One of my mates seems to live in his new outdoor spa and I do know he is partial to a drop of vino. I'm going to mention it to him because his wife works nights and he often has a spa after she goes off to work.

Hot tubs and saunas pose no risk to healthy people as long as they are not misused. People with high blood pressure should tolerate saunas well as long as they are not experiencing a hypertensive crisis.

Heat from hot tubs and saunas cause blood vessels to open up (called vasodilation.) Vasodilation also happens during normal activities like a brisk walk. If your doctor has told you to avoid moderate exercise, you should also be careful when considering hot tubs and saunas.

People with high blood pressure should not move back and forth between cold water and hot tubs or saunas. This could cause an increase in blood pressure.

Drinking alcohol and using a sauna isn't a good combination either, so don't mix the two

and

Alcohol Hot Tub Risks

Many individuals choose to relax and enjoy an alcoholic beverage in their hot tub. What many people don't know is that consuming alcohol while submerged in a hot tub can be very dangerous. The heat from the spa accelerates the effects of the alcohol and can lead to unconsciousness. It is best to avoid alcohol when using a hot tub.

So, if ya feel faint after a brisk walk or frolic in the bed or on the kitchen table, prolly not a good idea to spa alone.

I've known about this since before I got my spa but it hasn't slowed me down yet. Perhaps I should start wearing a Mae though.

Anyhoo, tell ya mate that he shouldn't play with himself when alone in the spa coz it might cause him to faint and drown and everyone will laugh at his funeral at how he was found with his hand on it.

regarDS

 

[allican]

lol ders Very informative.