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US 2016 Presidential Election
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Columbo
Never again
You could say the same thing about Hillary Clinton.
Columbo
Never again
He makes perfect sense to me, young Mooseface. He just wants to look out for America. Which I feel is a noble pursuit. One that should be admired.
Columbo
Never again
Well to my untrained eye I can see no real difference. Wet places get wet and dry places get dry. The circle of life.
Columbo
Never again
I hardly ever get sunburnt because that would mean i would have to go outside and talk to people and I hate that. Not that I would care anyway. I mean I might have cared in the past, but if it's one thing this forum has taught me it is to be more selfish and uncaring. Because emotions like love and kindness are just a waste.
Well maybe if you were less of a selfish prat you would realise what is happening in the big wide world out there. I work from home so I don't leave the house all that much but I still care enough to understand what is happening, and want to at least try to have left this world no worse off than when I was brought into it, and if at all possible maybe made at least a part if a little bit better. Maybe if everyone wanted that arseholes like Trump would never be in power.
but fuck everybody as long as somehow there is this this little isolation pod that keeps trump reepbot and inigo safe from climate change, natural disaster, poorness, homelessness, racism, bigotry, war or anything else that may be a direct effect of the policies Trump is putting into place.
Columbo
Never again
If I was less of a selfish prat I wouldn't be me, Isee. I would hate to be nice. By god that would be horrible to contemplate. It is a good thing though that we can without doubt state that I am not a nice person at all.
And it should be Trump, Inigo, and Tina. I don't care about myself.
Everything you talk about has you as the central theme. you think a lot about yourself.
Columbo
Never again
Yes I do think a lot about myself. I am a very selfish person. A very stupid and selfish person. But I don't care about myself.
- Some of the "Hippies" with an opinion on this
Paris climate accord: Elon Musk, Bob Iger quit Trump council in CEO climate fury
http://www.theage.com.au/business/w...ent-over-trumps-decision-20170601-gwipva.html
The business community lashed back at Donald Trump's decision to ditch the Paris climate accord, as two high-profile executives quit the US President's advisory council and Goldman Sachs' Lloyd Blankfein took to Twitter for the first time ever to express disapproval.
"Today's decision is a setback for the environment and for the US's leadership position in the world," Mr Blankfein wrote.
The one-sentence venture into the Twittersphere - by a CEO whose Wall Street firm has the most former employees in the administration - was but a drop in the waterfall of discord on Mr Trump's decision, announced on Thursday.
Walt Disney chief executive Bob Iger and Tesla Motors founder Elon Musk both withdrew from a presidential jobs panel as a result.
✔@elonmusk
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.
And such blue-chip US titans as General Electric, Ford Motor, Dow Chemical and Microsoft were among companies weighing in with their dismay.
https://twitter.com/richardbranson
✔@richardbranson
Business, activists, citizens come together, backing just & swift transition to #CleanEnergy economy https://virg.in/4dD @thebteamhq
Gary Cohn, who was Mr Blankfein's deputy for more than a decade, defended Mr Trump on CNN, saying, "What President Trump believes is that he was elected to grow the US economy and provide great job opportunities for American citizens.
"What he believes he did today was do exactly that," he said.
The former Goldman executive repeated that position as Wolf Blitzer asked three times whether Mr Trump stood by his past tweets labelling global warming a hoax. Ultimately, Mr Cohn said, "You're going actually have to ask him."
GE's Jeffrey Immelt, responding to Mr Trump's decision on the President's favourite social-media forum, was more direct. "Climate change is real," he tweeted. "Industry must now lead and not depend on government."
https://twitter.com/JeffImmelt
✔@JeffImmelt
Disappointed with today’s decision on the Paris Agreement. Climate change is real. Industry must now lead and not depend on government.
Dow CEO Andrew Liveris, meanwhile, stopped short of walking away from his role on the panel Mr Musk and Mr Iger abandoned. While Mr Liveris wrote in an email that he was disappointed with Mr Trump's decision, he said he understands "there are always many potential solutions to challenges and are eager to work toward alternative solutions".
Musk response
Mr Musk said he would follow through on his earlier pledge to quit the council should Mr Trump abandon Paris. "Climate change is real," he tweeted. "Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world."
Mr Iger, who in March had vowed to stay on the council to maintain "a voice in the room" with the President, changed his mind on Thursday. "As a matter of principle, I've resigned from the President's Council over the Paris Agreement withdrawal," he tweeted.
https://twitter.com/RobertIger
✔@RobertIger
As a matter of principle, I've resigned from the President's Council over the #ParisAgreement withdrawal.
Even Twitter's leader felt the need to respond. "This is an incredibly shortsighted move backwards by the federal government," tweeted CEO Jack Dorsey. "We're all on this planet together and we need to work together."
https://twitter.com/jack
✔@jack
This is an incredibly shortsighted move backwards by the federal government. We're all on this planet together and we need to work together. https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/870378430398816257 …
The response follows months of letters and outreach to Mr Trump from companies in industries as diverse as manufacturing, technology and energy to remain part of the 195-nation accord, making arguments that went well beyond sustainability, good corporate citizenship or the need for American leadership.
While Mr Trump's explanation for exiting the accord was, in part, that it would hurt domestic manufacturing and cost US jobs, appeals by chief executives to the President have been largely business-focused, saying rather that an exit threatens American competitiveness, raises the risk of negative trade implications and could hurt their ability to create jobs.
Leading up to the announcement, several chief executives made final arguments to Mr Trump or issued pleas for staying in the deal. Bloomberg reported that on Tuesday Apple chief executive Tim Cook placed a call to the White House to urge the President to stay in.
Apple chief Tim Cook's attempts to convince Trump to honour the Paris accord failed. Photo: AP
The same day, Mr Musk tweeted an open threat to Mr Trump, saying he would lose him on the business advisory councils if Mr Trump exited the accord.
"I've done all I can to advise directly to POTUS, through others in WH & via councils, that we remain," Mr Musk wrote.
When a follower asked him what he would do if Mr Trump makes the call to exit, Mr Musk said he would have "no choice" but to leave the White House councils of which he is a member.
The final push by chief executives also included letters that were featured in full-page ads in newspapers, such as one signed by 25 companies that ran in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal on Thursday and earlier in May.
The ads were sponsored by the Centre for Climate and Energy Solutions and the sustainability non-profit Ceres and included a shorter version of a letter that was first signed in April, arguing that "the United States can best exercise global leadership and advance US interests by remaining a full partner in this vital global effort".
Google, Intel, Unilever and Schneider Electric were just a few of the names that signed the letter.
Before Mr Trump made his decision public, oil explorers Exxon Mobil, ConocoPhillips and BP also reiterated their support for the global agreement.
Their argument: the US is better off with a seat at the table so it can influence global efforts to curb emissions that are largely produced by the fossil fuels they profit from.
Exxon meeting
Exxon CEO Darren Woods took it a step further during the company's annual investor meeting in Dallas on Wednesday. He reiterated his commitment to the Paris pact's goals and methods, and said oil demand would continue to grow in the coming decades, even with the Paris agreement in place.
"Energy needs are a function of population and living standards," Mr Woods said during his first annual meeting since becoming CEO on January 1.
"When it comes to policy, the goal should be to reduce emissions at the lowest cost to society."
Mr Woods has been a staunch advocate for keeping the US in the Paris group, as was his predecessor Rex Tillerson, who is now Mr Trump's secretary of state.
In his first blog post after becoming CEO, Mr Woods advocated low-emission fuels, carbon capture and bio-fuels as tools for meeting the goals of the Paris agreement.
Conoco, the world's largest independent oil producer by market value, also expressed support for the climate agreement on Wednesday.
"It gives the US the ability to participate in future climate discussions to safeguard its economic and environmental best interests," spokesman Daren Beaudo said in an email.
BP CEO Bob Dudley said that even if the US quit, the nation should find new policies to support the inevitable transition to a low-carbon economy.
"We've got to transition the world to lower-carbon forms of energy," Mr Dudley said in an interview on Thursday on Bloomberg Television in St Petersburg, Russia.
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What's next
If Mr Trump quits the accord, Mr Dudley said before the decision was announced, "we need to be really clear - rather than just walking away from it - what you put in place in the United States".
Industrial concerns and Wall Street weren't alone in condemning Mr Trump's decision.
Microsoft president Brad Smith and blue-jeans manufacturer Levi Strauss & Co's Chip Bergh joined the chorus of displeased executives.
"We're disappointed with the decision to exit the Paris Agreement. Microsoft remains committed to doing our part to achieve its goals," Mr Smith tweeted.
✔@BradSmi
We’re disappointed with the decision to exit the Paris Agreement. Microsoft remains committed to doing our part to achieve its goals.
While Mr Trump, in defence of his action, said leaving the accord would save money and jobs, Mr Bergh and Salesforce.com chief executive Marc Benioff foresee a different outcome.
"Leaving the Paris Climate Accord puts us - and our US peers - at a huge disadvantage," Mr Bergh said in an emailed statement. Nonetheless, he added, "we will continue to pursue technologies that can reduce the apparel industry's environmental impact". Mr Benioff, meanwhile, pledged to double the company's efforts to combat climate change, saying he was "deeply disappointed".
What's next
If Mr Trump quits the accord, Mr Dudley said before the decision was announced, "we need to be really clear - rather than just walking away from it - what you put in place in the United States".
Industrial concerns and Wall Street weren't alone in condemning Mr Trump's decision.
Microsoft president Brad Smith and blue-jeans manufacturer Levi Strauss & Co's Chip Bergh joined the chorus of displeased executives.
"We're disappointed with the decision to exit the Paris Agreement. Microsoft remains committed to doing our part to achieve its goals," Mr Smith tweeted.
✔@BradSmi
We’re disappointed with the decision to exit the Paris Agreement. Microsoft remains committed to doing our part to achieve its goals.
While Mr Trump, in defence of his action, said leaving the accord would save money and jobs, Mr Bergh and Salesforce.com chief executive Marc Benioff foresee a different outcome.
"Leaving the Paris Climate Accord puts us - and our US peers - at a huge disadvantage," Mr Bergh said in an emailed statement. Nonetheless, he added, "we will continue to pursue technologies that can reduce the apparel industry's environmental impact". Mr Benioff, meanwhile, pledged to double the company's efforts to combat climate change, saying he was "deeply disappointed".
#Alternative facts there reepbot - If you bothered to look out there in the big wide world today you may have heard that the stock market hit record highs - wall street and Trump are very much in in bed together.
http://www.businessinsider.com/stocks-hit-record-highs-2017-6?IR=T
Columbo
Never again
Not as much as Clinton is though. At least Trump has the courage of his convictions to fly out on his own. To face the evils of globalization and terrorism head on.
Columbo
Never again
Of course Hilary Clinton is way more wall street than Trump. But I doubt I will ever be able to convince you of that fact. Anyway I am not out of touch with reality. I am perfectly sane.
Bernie Sanders tears into Trump for pulling out of Paris Agreement: 'It is a disgrace'
Bernie Sanders says that Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement is a disgrace.
Mr Sanders released his statement on the president’s decision shortly before Mr Trump stepped up to the Rose Garden podium to announce that the US would withdraw from the accord, virtually pitting America against the vast majority of the global community.
“President Trump's decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement is an abdication of American leadership and an international disgrace. At this moment, when climate change is already causing devastating harm around the world, we do not have the moral right to turn our backs on efforts to preserve this planet for future generations,” Mr Sanders said.
Retreating from the pledges in the Paris climate accord was a prominent component of Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign. The president repeatedly promised American voters — particularly in places like Kentucky where whole communities have been ravaged by declining coal demand and competitiveness — that he would bring back American energy jobs, even if they yield a heavy responsibility for greenhouse gas emissions. Mr Trump also mocked the idea of climate change during the 2016 campaign.
But Mr Sanders said that the issue of climate change was too dire to not address, and Americans would have to address the growing threat one way or another.
“The United States must play a leading role in the global campaign to stop climate change and transition rapidly away from fossil fuels to renewable and more efficient sources of energy,” he said. “We must do this with or without the support of Donald Trump and the fossil fuel industry.”
It appears that states will now lead the charge when it comes to reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the US. The California legislature, for instance, is currently considering measures that would require the state to become completely reliant on renewable energy — like solar and wind power — by 2045.
Edit to add source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...al-disgrace-a7768151.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Bernie Sanders says that Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement is a disgrace.
Mr Sanders released his statement on the president’s decision shortly before Mr Trump stepped up to the Rose Garden podium to announce that the US would withdraw from the accord, virtually pitting America against the vast majority of the global community.
“President Trump's decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement is an abdication of American leadership and an international disgrace. At this moment, when climate change is already causing devastating harm around the world, we do not have the moral right to turn our backs on efforts to preserve this planet for future generations,” Mr Sanders said.
Retreating from the pledges in the Paris climate accord was a prominent component of Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign. The president repeatedly promised American voters — particularly in places like Kentucky where whole communities have been ravaged by declining coal demand and competitiveness — that he would bring back American energy jobs, even if they yield a heavy responsibility for greenhouse gas emissions. Mr Trump also mocked the idea of climate change during the 2016 campaign.
But Mr Sanders said that the issue of climate change was too dire to not address, and Americans would have to address the growing threat one way or another.
“The United States must play a leading role in the global campaign to stop climate change and transition rapidly away from fossil fuels to renewable and more efficient sources of energy,” he said. “We must do this with or without the support of Donald Trump and the fossil fuel industry.”
It appears that states will now lead the charge when it comes to reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the US. The California legislature, for instance, is currently considering measures that would require the state to become completely reliant on renewable energy — like solar and wind power — by 2045.
Edit to add source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...al-disgrace-a7768151.html?cmpid=facebook-post