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TIM-ED argument transcript...and WHY did it start?

[cut to outside and back]

Tim: "Are you trying to make it out like I said that without her knowing I said that?" [Ed talks over the last bit of that...]
Ed: "No, no. I'm using that as an example. I didn't tell her that, did I? She doesn't even know about it."
Tim: "Why are you trying to make this out like some--"
Ed: "No, because you--"
Tim [cont]: "-- smoking gun!"
Tim is clearly getting frustrated that Ed is continuing to persecute him, while not allowing Tim to persecute Ed, Ed will not take anz blame whatsoever. I‘m not sure who ‚she‘ is.
Ed: "No! I know what you do, Tim, and I'm okay with that, but all I'm saying is that you and I differ. If you want to pull someone in to try and win an argument then fine, but I don't think--" [Mikka is standing beside Ed here]
Tim: "You're trying to use the exact same thing." [pointing to Mikka]
Maybe someone walked in Than perhaps, and Tim tried to get her to back him up, while E dis trying to get Mikkayla to back him up now.
Ed: "What you do."
Tim: "You're trying to--"
Ed: "Exactly what you do. You don't- you feel threatened by for some reason. And you feel as if you can make me feel--
Tim: "I do NOT feel threatened by you, Ed--"
Ed: "Well, Tim--"
Tim [cont]: "--THAT is the joke of this all: that I don't!"
Ed: "Well- Tim!"
Tim [cont]: "I don't need your validation at all."

Tim here is telling the absolute truth, but Ed completely believes that he is lying, that Ti mis persecuting Ed, habitually, because Ti mis threatened by Ed. Tim does not Belize that E dis a Great to him at all. At all. He is frustrated at how deluded E dis, and he wals to shatter all these illusions, to maket his big worshipped footballer to acknowledge how meaninglless he is to Tim.

Ed: "Tim, I have mates that are exactly have the same interests as you, work in the exact same thing, exactly studying what you're studying. You know nothing about me. That's what, in this whole thing, is so funny. You pass judgement upon me, whether you admit it or not."
Tim: "It's not about what we do for a job or what I'm interested in."
Ed: "No. It's who you are as a person. We- we've had this underlying... whatever it is, and that's fine, but--
Tim: "I just--"
Ed wals Tim to acknowledge the way that Ed sees Tim. Unlike Ed, Tim has considered it, understands Ed’s position, and disagrees with it.
Ed [cont]: "-- what it gets back to is, tonight, you think that, because of your underlying tone. I guess, I think that because my underlying tone with you, and the only reason that it makes it a bigger issue at times--"
More of the same from Ed.

I’ve had enough. I’m gonna go watt Korra.
 
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phatbeats33 said:
Ed postured to first Jade and then Mikkayala how he had had enough, he was going to pull Tim aside "a little later" and put him in his place...essentially tough guy talk, YET, he clearly baulked at doing so because he was actually off to bed when TIM CONFRONTED ED...and not only that, Tim confronted him with a "are we cool?" essentially presenting himself on a silver platter to Ed who was threatening to take him on....EDs reply? yeah. (massive fail) I thought he was fed up, that he was going to finally put him straight, that he was going to confront him. FAIL ? Looks as though Ed couldn't summon up the courage was off to bed to no doubt brew over it all night.

Also, when the argument started getting heated did Ed stand his ground ? NO....he began walking off like a petulant child and very far removed from the tough guy in the kitchen who was boasting how he was going to take Tim down. Ed FEARS Tim make no mistake about that.

Also, Ed had 2 moments in particular where he appeared to have a brain freeze, where he appeared utterly lost and confused. I general he looks fidgety and limp and very nervous, often looking away or at the ground and often scratching his face and shuffling from one foot to another. Tim on the other hand was smiling virtually throughout the ENTIRE exchange and always looked like he was about to get on a roll and make coherent sentences if it was not for EDs incessant interrupting (something Tim also later began to do). The body language was clear as to who was playing the dominant and who playing the submissive.

The point Tim made about not fearing Ed AT ALL was very clear, very concise, was delivered with attitude and with a smile....the fact that ED was at his MOST SILENT throughout that particular point is the clearest indication that this particular point was HITTING HOME HARD !!! Make no mistake, if Ed takes nothing else from this argument, those words will be etched into his brain.

To think that ED gained anything whosoever from the nights action is ludicrous......he postured, he huffed and puffed, he then went on to duck and weave and avoid confrontation even when it was presented to him on a silver platter....he then went on to utterly FAIL at making even a SINGLE clear point and whats more stood in stunned silence as Tim scored the only big punch of the night....all the while ED struggled to look anything but indecisive and limp.

Just because the argument was MOSTLY a mess of incomplete sentences does not mean that the proponents take nothing from it, that couldn't be further from the truth, and although neither side was ale to claim a 'knockout' victory I suspect both Tim AND ED will in their minds be fully aware that if it was Tim who won.

I suspect that EDs behaviour will change in subtle ways...but much will depend on how his pride deals with this. ED can longer foolHIMSELF with the idea that he is the big dominant cat in this jungle and I'm sure he will avoid further one on one confrontation with Tim......do not be surprised to see a more placid ED in the near future.
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Yeah.
 
tilliii said:
Weird bringing that up so casually lol
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As a group they were all discussing sexual fantasies or something from memory of the live feed blurb. Then after the big argument, there was another video of Ed and Maddy and I think some others were debriefing on troublesome Tim in the kitchen. I was surprised they put the video up of it but it seems that not many people picked up on what she said or put two and two together.
 
[MENTION=35069]Winterbourne[/MENTION]


Wonderful work...absolutely enjoyed reading your breakdown.
I'm always happy to read others insights into key BB moments and I suspect this was THE defining BB moment this season.

If you feel up to it at some point I'd love to read your take on more. In your own time mate.
 
When they were all sitting outside on the lounges .....Tim was saying lets play Jump In then he said anyone who doesn't play is a prude and boring (something along those lines). Ed MUST have said something (couldn't hear) then Tim responded by saying I never said that....you're an idiot yada yada yada.

Does anyone know what Ed said for Tim to retaliate?
 
GalPal said:
When they were all sitting outside on the lounges .....Tim was saying lets play Jump In then he said anyone who doesn't play is a prude and boring (something along those lines). Ed MUST have said something (couldn't hear) then Tim responded by saying I never said that....you're an idiot yada yada yada.

Does anyone know what Ed said for Tim to retaliate?
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I don't know but what's Jump In?
 
This is all highly edited. Maybe Ed actually approached Tim earlier to say he wanted to talk to him tomorrow. And Tim just confronted him then because he couldn't wait.

Ed said this which is what makes me think this may have been a possibility: "Nah, I was gonna speak to you tomorrow because "
 
just after tim says "like a criminal even" he says something like "because you did say "he likes the animals"".
 
[MENTION=22768]tilliii[/MENTION]

This is the live feed blurb from around the time of the Tim and Ed blow-up (Day 74): Group discussion-The HMs are staving off boredom with group discussions on various topics ranging from first sexual experiences to most embarrassing illnesses.

The video of the kitchen debrief is in the Video section with the title Day 74: Ed leads a conversation about disliking Tim.
 
BBfan- said:
I don't know but what's Jump In?
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Sorry he said if anyone wants to play jump in now and if u don't ur a boring prude. Then Ed said if u own it. Didn't get much out of that lol
Wish we knew what was said before this......we won't be shown which sucks.
 
hughesy17 said:
[MENTION=22768]tilliii[/MENTION]

This is the live feed blurb from around the time of the Tim and Ed blow-up (Day 74): Group discussion-The HMs are staving off boredom with group discussions on various topics ranging from first sexual experiences to most embarrassing illnesses.

The video of the kitchen debrief is in the Video section with the title Day 74: Ed leads a conversation about disliking Tim.
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That's so weird - I couldn't remember hearing that so went and re-watched it, the sound cut out as Maddie was talking just like it did when I first watched it. Then clicked back and heard what you are talking about quite clearly - twice! Makes a bit more sense now, but odd that the video did that for me.
 
poor widdle ed...."the other kids wont play with me"....."tim called me an idiot"...waaaahhh

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Be realistic. Everyone feels left out from time to time. Unless you've fallen out with, or upset your loved ones somehow, being left out this time is unlikely to be a regular occurrence. The worst response to this type of situation is to feel sorry for yourself and to sit tight waiting for someone else to solve your sorrow. White knights don't charge in to mop up self-pity; only you can do that.

http://www.wikihow.com/Cope-when-You-Feel-Left-Out
 
Meewa said:
That's so weird - I couldn't remember hearing that so went and re-watched it, the sound cut out as Maddie was talking just like it did when I first watched it. Then clicked back and heard what you are talking about quite clearly - twice! Makes a bit more sense now, but odd that the video did that for me.
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I can't find the video, can you post a direct link to it? Thanks
 
Meewa said:
That's so weird - I couldn't remember hearing that so went and re-watched it, the sound cut out as Maddie was talking just like it did when I first watched it. Then clicked back and heard what you are talking about quite clearly - twice! Makes a bit more sense now, but odd that the video did that for me.
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I'm glad you heard it too. I was beginning to think I was imagining it. :-)
 
hughesy17 said:
I'm glad you heard it too. I was beginning to think I was imagining it. :-)
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I did a double take and clicked back to where she said it as I couldn't believe my ears. Can only imagine what caused the drama if nobody batted an eye over that one.
[MENTION=36427]Sarah Smith[/MENTION] i'm not entirely comfortable pasting a link - there's kids in here :)
 
hughesy17 said:
As a group they were all discussing sexual fantasies or something from memory of the live feed blurb. Then after the big argument, there was another video of Ed and Maddy and I think some others were debriefing on troublesome Tim in the kitchen. I was surprised they put the video up of it but it seems that not many people picked up on what she said or put two and two together.
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Nice find....I didn't pick that one up.

still all a bit patchy and hard to decipher exactly what was said though..... Whatever it was it seems as though in a group discussion of sorts Tim may have said something to pus the discussion along, Ed may have taken exception to something (more than likely misinterpreted is my guess) and made a remark which Tim took as belittling. Tim snapped back and Ed then saw that as his opportunity to finally take him on. The rest is history.

i suspect we'll never see the full unedited scene so as to properly put the argument into context.
 
Meewa said:
I did a double take and clicked back to where she said it as I couldn't believe my ears. Can only imagine what caused the drama if nobody batted an eye over that one.
[MENTION=36427]Sarah Smith[/MENTION] i'm not entirely comfortable pasting a link - there's kids in here :)
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Fair enough! I did find it, was just being lazy. And you can quite clearly hear what Madeline says.

Unlike mumbles, who is just muttering away about all the stuff he is going to do and say to Tim. Ed has to go, he's so irratating
 
[MENTION=36316]Meewa[/MENTION] [MENTION=36609]phatbeats33[/MENTION] Refer to Jo-Bot's post at 6:18pm. I think that is why Tim lashed out and called Ed an idiot. Without watching live feeds the average viewer would have no idea what the argument was about.
 
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