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Is Jades behaviour disturbing?

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The10thDoctor

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I am only up to Wednesdays episode...

This is not an attack on her looks or how pretty girls are up themselves.

Before the show started Eds flatmate said on the Matt and Jo show that he was not interested in having a relationship in the house. He has stuck to this and made his position quite clear.

Along comes Jade who for some reason has latched onto Ed. Im not sure if she has said why she has become obsessed with him. He clearly told her he would not be taking this relationship any further. He was not ambiguous in any way at all. He was polite and treated her with respect over it.

But for some reason she just wont let it go. She keeps at him, keeps pursuing him. We teach our children that NO means NO. If a woman or a man says no then it means exactly that. You dont keep pushing. There are even sexual harassment laws to cover this.

Can you imagine the massive uproar if Tim started harrasing Tully in the same way? The papers would be full of sexual harrasment claims and today tonight would be running pieces. The forum here would be full of people calling him rude names. Germaine Greer and the Hairy Armpit Brigade would be picketing the house.

But when a woman does it ..well..thats ok..she is just being a stong woman trying to get what she wants,

Man does it and he would be a dirty creep.


As i said before No means No..her continued pursual of him IS sexual harrasment wether some of you like it or not.

Go into your workplace and try and hit onsomeone...when they reject you then start stroking them and kissing their back..see how long it takes before you are charged with something

I expect someone here will now call me a Jade hater..well yes, i dont think she is a good person..but this argument is about her behaviour and not her.
 
Initially I thought she was OTT and it was embarrassing and she should have 'got it' that he wasn't interested. I subsequently think he hasn't helped things and has allowed it to continue. Whether he is too nice to tell it to her straight, or he is worried about public perception, or he secretly like the attention etc who knows. Either way he could put a stop to it very easy if he wanted.

Pretty far fetched to say she is doing any harassing. Ed is clearly the stronger person so there is no physical threat and I have no doubt that if Ed every gave her a proper 'no it's not going to happen so stop' then she would. She is just exceedingly infatuated and equally crap at reading the obvious signs.

If it was reversed and a guy was coming onto a girl I would still only consider it harassment if the guy continued once given a very clear STOP. Ed has never quite closed the door so Jade keeps trying. It embarrassing but not harassment.
 
man, I need to get my eyes checked!!!
At first, I thought the title of this TOP POSTED thread read
" Is Tully a Dirty Whore for cheating on her Girlfriend?"
 
Hope4Rain said:
man, I need to get my eyes checked!!!
At first, I thought the title of this TOP POSTED thread read
" Is Tully a Dirty Whore for cheating on her Girlfriend?"
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I fail to see how you could mistake that string of words for the one in the title..but ok. And i dont think she is or has
 
Chump said:
Initially I thought she was OTT and it was embarrassing and she should have 'got it' that he wasn't interested. I subsequently think he hasn't helped things and has allowed it to continue. Whether he is too nice to tell it to her straight, or he is worried about public perception, or he secretly like the attention etc who knows. Either way he could put a stop to it very easy if he wanted.

Pretty far fetched to say she is doing any harassing. Ed is clearly the stronger person so there is no physical threat and I have no doubt that if Ed every gave her a proper 'no it's not going to happen so stop' then she would. She is just exceedingly infatuated and equally crap at reading the obvious signs.

If it was reversed and a guy was coming onto a girl I would still only consider it harassment if the guy continued once given a very clear STOP. Ed has never quite closed the door so Jade keeps trying. It embarrassing but not harassment.
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He took her aside and said he didnt want to take it any further. I really dont see how much more obvious he needed to be. She still pursued him after that. Im sure she is no physical threat....
In life im sure many of us have had unwanted attention from people weaker than us....it doesnt mean the weaker party has the right to pursue their actions

Ive been watching some of the tweets.. there are a few coming through actually praising Jade for pursuing ed! Wow...
 
The10thDoctor said:
He took her aside and said he didnt want to take it any further. I really dont see how much more obvious he needed to be. She still pursued him after that. Im sure she is no physical threat....
In life im sure many of us have had unwanted attention from people weaker than us....it doesnt mean the weaker party has the right to pursue their actions
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When you say he took her aside to say he didn't want to take it further, are you referring to the rambling talk about not wanting to share the bed? Or is there some other conversation I may have missed?? Genuine Q as I might have missed something.

As said initially I had a 'how can you not get it' approach and I still do to a degree but she obviously needs a clear no and he is to chicken to do it (or it may be some other reason he is holding back I don't know).

Semi related, Tully told Drew about how the house were perceiving him and Jade, Tim has now talked to Drew about how the house are perceiving Drew and Tully, why doesn't Drew have the decency to tell Jade how the house are perceiving her with Ed? She is a girl who is clearly infatuated with someone and instead of anyone helping her with the truth she is being laughed at or pitied.
 
I agree that her persueal of Ed is perculiar however Mr Vanilla needs to be blunt with her and say "I am NOT" interested. You appear to have a selective memory or haven't seen all the episodes of BB be aide there has been a lot of footage of the pair of them hooking up and Ed appears to be enjoying himself.

How have you reached the conclusion that she is not a good person? I just think she is really, really insecure.

Not sure what your first sentence is about, you seem to judge people on looks.

And thank God for Germaine and the "hairy armpit brigade" :rolleyes: saw a doco on the former and if she and other like minded people hadn't been active the women in my life might still be earning 25% less than male co-workers. I'm a bloke but I find your comments so derogatory.
 
Goosegoose said:
I agree that her persueal of Ed is perculiar however Mr Vanilla needs to be blunt with her and say "I am NOT" interested. You appear to have a selective memory or haven't seen all the episodes of BB be aide there has been a lot of footage of the pair of them hooking up and Ed appears to be enjoying himself.

How have you reached the conclusion that she is not a good person? I just think she is really, really insecure.

Not sure what your first sentence is about, you seem to judge people on looks.

And thank God for Germaine and the "hairy armpit brigade" :rolleyes: saw a doco on the former and if she and other like minded people hadn't been active the women in my life might still be earning 25% less than male co-workers. I'm a bloke but I find your comments so derogatory.
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Mr Vanilla .... That's so apt :D
 
Goosegoose said:
I agree that her persueal of Ed is perculiar however Mr Vanilla needs to be blunt with her and say "I am NOT" interested. You appear to have a selective memory or haven't seen all the episodes of BB be aide there has been a lot of footage of the pair of them hooking up and Ed appears to be enjoying himself.

How have you reached the conclusion that she is not a good person? I just think she is really, really insecure.

Not sure what your first sentence is about, you seem to judge people on looks.

And thank God for Germaine and the "hairy armpit brigade" :rolleyes: saw a doco on the former and if she and other like minded people hadn't been active the women in my life might still be earning 25% less than male co-workers. I'm a bloke but I find your comments so derogatory.
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It was a couple weeks ago when he took her outside and said he wasnt interested in whatever..it was after that that she seemed to have some issue with not accepting rejection

As for her not being a good person...she may very well have nice qualities, but the discovery of these isnt part of a sexual harrasment discussion.


As for germaine Greer and her ilk... I am friends with a number of prominent feminists. Two of them work for Melbourne radio and are well known people. One thing they fight for is equality for women and men. People like Greer want this equality and more. She fights for womens rights which is good, but then she doesnt care who gets hurt in the process. The fight should be for ALL people to be equal. She doesnt want equality
 
Ed says to jade that he is not interested and doesn't want to to go further
Ed kisses jade
Ed and jade share a bed

Jade gets mixed messages (and confused) and is encouraged by other housemates to make her move

Jade is portrayed as the one chasing Ed and that it's all one sided

I don't believe that for a minute. He is sending her mixed messages and she doesn't know how to respond.
 
I feel sad that Jade clearly has such low self-esteem that she feels she has to latch on to a guy to have value. She is also not letting go & having fun - everything I see her in she looks like she is just standing aside in her own little world too self-conscious to jump in.
 
Chump said:
When you say he took her aside to say he didn't want to take it further, are you referring to the rambling talk about not wanting to share the bed? Or is there some other conversation I may have missed?? Genuine Q as I might have missed something.

As said initially I had a 'how can you not get it' approach and I still do to a degree but she obviously needs a clear no and he is to chicken to do it (or it may be some other reason he is holding back I don't know).

Semi related, Tully told Drew about how the house were perceiving him and Jade, Tim has now talked to Drew about how the house are perceiving Drew and Tully, why doesn't Drew have the decency to tell Jade how the house are perceiving her with Ed? She is a girl who is clearly infatuated with someone and instead of anyone helping her with the truth she is being laughed at or pitied.
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Was the whole bed talk the time when Ed took jade outside at night for a chat? I think he made is very clear.


I can only relate it back to when i was 20. there was a girl who liked me a lot. I also liked her a lot, but couldnt go there due to me not a good person at the time. I told her i wasnt interested even though we both knew differently. We managed to stay great friends and hugged a lot and was very close..and she never harrassed me for more.

Ed is doing what i did - didnt cut her off and kept her as a close mate.
A mature Adult like Jade should be able to see that and handle it. But she isnt. And thats whats disturbing.

If it was the other way 'round then the general public would be up in arms.

Maybe Ed does need to be tougher..but im guessing he has never faced this situation before and doesnt know how to handle it. I am wondering wether the BB psychologist needs to intervene before Jade gets out of hand and makes her situation worse.

I do think Drew needs to man up and act like a friend and say something
 
HippyGirl said:
Ed says to jade that he is not interested and doesn't want to to go further
Ed kisses jade
Ed and jade share a bed

Jade gets mixed messages (and confused) and is encouraged by other housemates to make her move

Jade is portrayed as the one chasing Ed and that it's all one sided

I don't believe that for a minute. He is sending her mixed messages and she doesn't know how to respond.
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Exactly.
 
HippyGirl said:
Ed says to jade that he is not interested and doesn't want to to go further
Ed kisses jade
Ed and jade share a bed

Jade gets mixed messages (and confused) and is encouraged by other housemates to make her move
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You dont kiss friends of the opposite sex? What are the situations in which he kissed her? Was it a party situation like the spa night where he also kissed Jasmin? I think the message was clear there- bunch of young fools messing about in the spa..i dont see that as a precursor to a relationship.

As for sleeping in the bed..that are in an unusual situation where bedding is at a minimum. Heck, ive crashed in mates beds before.
If he was taking her to bed each night and having a tongue pash or grope..then that would be cause for concern
 
HippyGirl said:
Ed says to jade that he is not interested and doesn't want to to go further
Ed kisses jade
Ed and jade share a bed

Jade gets mixed messages (and confused) and is encouraged by other housemates to make her move

Jade is portrayed as the one chasing Ed and that it's all one sided

I don't believe that for a minute. He is sending her mixed messages and she doesn't know how to respond.
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Excellent summation!~ BRavO!
 
It takes two to tango. Ed's a loser. He can't even draw the line for himself, let alone Jade. She's foolish, but he's the one leading her on!
 
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