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claire_michell
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Tully is emotionally supportive - empathetic towards the other housemates - as well as Drew
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Hope4Rain
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THIS is not thread worthy in my opinion. I joked with ya about the ED thread last week. SHE has several thread dedicated to her DEFENSE as you say.
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claire_michell
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Haha - yes possibly - I do find Tully has that quality - look at the the other housemates? who would you say has a that much empathy - and is willing to share it? Tim is the only other housemate in my opinion
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tconroy135
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Whatever you say I love Tully, super sexy, Drully forever!
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Pristian
I'll give an example. When she was comforting Jade yesterday or the day before when she was crying about being nominated.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
I did agree with this back in the days of the wall, but lately she is emotionally torturing Drew, not supporting him. She is, as you say, empathetic, but it has become apparent that she needs a bit more self awareness. To tell off Drew for having a tantrum or for being immature, or missing the point of Matt's quite acute observations yesterday really show she cannot judge her own behaviour with the accuracy which she can judge others.
As a topic, In Defense of Tully is an interesting one. Why does her worst behaviour inspire defense? I have no problem with her best points. Her worst points, however, are abyssmal, and ever more present on what we are shown. I want to like her, but I can no longer ignore the emotional abuse she dishes out daily.
Do people defend her now in a hipsterlike way, because everyone hates her now? I spent a lot of time defending her in the comments under youtube vids in the first few weeks, but now, this behaviour cannot be defended, The only positive that can come of it is if it were brought out and shown to be unacceptable and thus reduced in the community outside the house.
As a topic, In Defense of Tully is an interesting one. Why does her worst behaviour inspire defense? I have no problem with her best points. Her worst points, however, are abyssmal, and ever more present on what we are shown. I want to like her, but I can no longer ignore the emotional abuse she dishes out daily.
Do people defend her now in a hipsterlike way, because everyone hates her now? I spent a lot of time defending her in the comments under youtube vids in the first few weeks, but now, this behaviour cannot be defended, The only positive that can come of it is if it were brought out and shown to be unacceptable and thus reduced in the community outside the house.
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I honestly feel like she was doing that for show, though. Because she doesn't even like Jade - as was shown when she was being all nice to her in the bedroom, then later went out into the lounge room and reported back to Heidi and others about what was said/bitched about her.
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But if you believe that was for show, I don't know what she could possibly do that wouldn't be for show, in your eyes. And what about Ed and Matt - Do you think they were also comforting Jade for show?
I think Tully does like Jade but she told Heidi and Drew(?) what she said, she was doing in the same way that teenage girls tell their best friends everything that someone else said. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do, but I don't think she was doing it in a malicious way.
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Queen Alla
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But in that situation she still made it about her - having a go at the boys for making her feel like she can never be emotional, what it's like for her when she gets nominated.
Winterbourne
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Ed seemed to be.
No, she made that about herself by going on about when she gets upset. I'd like to think her intentions were good though then, although I have my doubts considering how much she talks about Jade behind her back.
I don't think she's 'all bad' or anything - it just makes me not want to watch her when I see her saying things like she loves others more than they love her, and yet she's not showing any consideration to the fact that it was her choice to put herself in the public eye, she knows social media, and yet she chooses to put her g/f in a position where she's humiliated and she'd have to know that she'd be copping it on the outside, when she wasn't the one who chose to put herself in the public. It's selfish and does not show the love she says she feels at all. She's only thinking of her own feelings.
Just like how she is in an argument, she cannot hear the other person, she has to get her point across and then talk over the other person and accuse them of everything that she's doing. That's not empathy. Empathy isn't twisting everything around to relate to yourself, it's understanding how the other person is feeling for THEM, not you.
I think she needs to be less self-involved and MORE empathetic and perhaps she'd see things from anothers point of view, and consider them in decisions she makes. That's why I don't like watching her.
chiclet
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She has said that for a long time before she entered the house she had no time for men, found them gross, and was surprised by how lovely she found all the male HMs to be (paraphrasing). I think when Drew pulled faces and laughed while Jade was crying it triggered Tully's default dislike of stereotypical male behaviour so she reacted (as she usually does to things that don't suit her) with anger and control. It was confronting for her to see Drew behave in a stereotypical male way. I don't think she was defending Jade qua Jade but rather Jade as a woman who was being dismissed by a man. It seemed a political reaction more than a personal one.
None of this is a criticism of Tully, it's just a description of the dynamic I thought I was seeing. I don't like Tully but it doesn't mean I think she is bad and/or wrong every living minute.
None of this is a criticism of Tully, it's just a description of the dynamic I thought I was seeing. I don't like Tully but it doesn't mean I think she is bad and/or wrong every living minute.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
Drew was probably doing it because he is so scared of how she would react if he showed affection or concern for Jade, and he erred on the side of levity.
I can actually see both perspectives here. I also think that Tully genuinely likes Jade, but in the "I'm secretly jealous of my friend so I don't let my boyfriend near her" kind of way. And in a weird way I think Jade likes her too. I know a lot of girls in real life who have friendships like Tully and Jade do as strange as that sounds.
However I'm not sure how genuine she was when Jade had her breakdown the other night. The difference with Matt and Ed was that they appeared genuinely concerned and were making it about Jade. (Ed would obviously be worried because the more upset Jade got the worse it made him feel/look because he was partly responsible). Tully on the other hand made the whole situation about her and started having a go at the boys for not letting her be emotional. I think the daggers in Ed and Matt's eyes at Tully and how they kept looking at each other knowingly indicated that they didn't think her concern was genuine either.
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claire_michell
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Perhaps Tully's empathetic quality - makes it easier for the other housemates- she's the emotional barometer- of the house -
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claire_michell
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Well as much as I like jade - Tully really understood the confusion of Drew - and went to his support - Drew must of really felt it - because he's very loyal to Tully
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claire_michell
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Matt is emotionally supportive as well - as for Ed? - I cant believe his self involvement - he has little empathy for anything - except himself - his tears were for how bad HE felt - unbelievable - so selfish
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claire_michell
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Yep - but the fact she did - means she was being true to herself (she's a young person) still finding herself - and it is a game with a big prize - so shows charcter