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LoveBB said:
I agree, there is definitely an existing disorder. I'm just not sure BB cares too much about the emotional abuse that is clearly going on (from Tully towards Drew AND Tahlia... Tully is playing mind games with her as well as I see it).

All it would take to sort this girl out would be a diary room session, with BB asking her lots of implied questions about her GF; how does she think Tahlia feels about her and Drew having such an exclusive relationship, is she still missing her GF... Plant some seeds of doubt in her head. Watch her squirm then...Manipulative people don't like being played at their own game.
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But if she has BPD as I strongly, strongly suspect then she may have 'splitting'. It's black/white thinking. BPDs have difficulty maintaining constancy when their partner is not there. Even just leaving the room. So Tahlia in the room "she loves me". Tahlia steps outside "she hates me. I better threaten to hurt myself so she won't leave me". It's the reason BPDs are so promiscuous.

So in her mind I suspect "Tahlia doesn't love me anymore". I think she even said something like that "why do I love people more than they love me". Classic BPD. Therefore, "I can do what I want because they're just going to leave me anyway".

Sorry bit of a ramble. Basically she ain't got no insight, therefore no remorse. She will say she still has a GF but her BW thinking means it would be shifting constantly. Drew is her partner now so he only has constancy when he's right with her.

BPDs are fucking exhausting.
 
:pp said:
But if she has BPD as I strongly, strongly suspect then she may have 'splitting'. It's black/white thinking. BPDs have difficulty maintaining constancy when their partner is not there. Even just leaving the room. So Tahlia in the room "she loves me". Tahlia steps outside "she hates me. I better threaten to hurt myself so she won't leave me". It's the reason BPDs are so promiscuous.

So in her mind I suspect "Tahlia doesn't love me anymore". I think she even said something like that "why do I love people more than they love me". Classic BPD. Therefore, "I can do what I want because they're just going to leave me anyway".

Sorry bit of a ramble. Basically she ain't got no insight, therefore no remorse. She will say she still has a GF but her BW thinking means it would be shifting constantly. Drew is her partner now so he only has constancy when he's right with her.

BPDs are fucking exhausting.
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Not possible she is BPD - you cannot tell BPDs what to do, it's impossible to think a BPD could/would enter BB, all about being controlled and told what to do.
Telling them what to do, try it, watch the fireworks.

Had a little training in how to deal with BPD people as they are so very common personality types in my line of work, not treating them - just dealing, there is no treatment.
(But 2 years ago they discovered one method that may work).

She may just be a stupid immature brat, seems Dad must have overcompensated and spoilt her rotten.
Doesn't she just do everything exactly like some toddler of 4?
I think that is what astounds me watching, like what the hell...............Honey I BlewUp the Baby.
Shrink her back down to 2 feet, now, please. Giant babies are unbearable.
 
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kxk said:
Not possible she is BPD - you cannot tell BPDs what to do, it's impossible to think a BPD could/would enter BB, all about being controlled and told what to do.
Telling them what to do, try it, watch the fireworks.

Had a little training in how to deal with BPD people as they are so very common personality types in my line of work, not treating them - just dealing, there is no treatment.
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No treatment for NPD and ASPD but BPD can be helped with CBT... to a point.

I would normally agree with you in a domestic setting but they are desperate for validation, so uber validation via fame is a mighty payoff for a Borderline. I suggest it tipped the scales for her to tolerate the lockdown and the rules etc.
 
kxk said:
Not possible she is BPD - you cannot tell BPDs what to do, it's impossible to think a BPD could/would enter BB, all about being controlled and told what to do.
Telling them what to do, try it, watch the fireworks.

Had a little training in how to deal with BPD people as they are so very common personality types in my line of work, not treating them - just dealing, there is no treatment.
(But 2 years ago they discovered one method that may work).

She may just be a stupid immature brat, seems Dad must have overcompensated and spoilt her rotten.
Doesn't she just do everything exactly like some toddler of 4?
I think that is what astounds me watching, like what the hell...............Honey I BlewUp the Baby.
Shrink her back down to 2 feet, now, please. Giant babies are unbearable.
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Just so you know, there are effective treatments for BPD. I was diagnosed 2 years ago, have had DBT and ACT, and the difference in me has been astounding. I can live a normal life and don't cause problems for myself and people around me.

Also, perhaps consider your tone when talking about different groups of people. It wouldn't be acceptable to have that tone when talking about people from a different race or sexuality to you, or people with Down's Syndrome, so perhaps think about not using that tone when discussing people with mental health issues.
 
No LoveBB. BPD looks like a mood disorder but that where it ends.

Good on you Queen Alla!! and hope my tone hasn't been disrespectful. I harbour resentment having an NPD mother and have to keep it in check when discussing mental health.
 
:pp said:
No LoveBB. BPD looks like a mood disorder but that where it ends.

Good on you Queen Alla!! and hope my tone hasn't been disrespectful. I harbour resentment having an NPD mother and have to keep it in check when discussing mental health.
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No, it's fine. I'm probably a little extra sensitive because there are so many misconceptions about BPD and whenever someone brings it into a conversation it's usually with the same derogatory tone so I sometimes am a little too sensitive even when that tone isn't there.

To be honest, I see a lot of my younger self's behaviour in Tully. I was a rare breed of personality disorder though that I had some self awareness. I would exhibit classic BPD, spiral into self harm because I felt so guilty and hated myself for what I was doing to people around me, then lash out again. I also was/am of the type where myBPD is accentuated in romantic relationships. It came as a huge shock to my family when they heard about my behaviour because other than a few bouts of depression, I'd been completely 'normal'. I was able to hold down responsible jobs, I'm a mother now and without sounding biased, my daughter is amazing, intelligent, well adjusted, happy and she and I have a very close bond. My downfall comes with romantic partners, and then I am batshit crazy and self destructive. I am still in treatment, because it is an ongoing thing, but for all intents and purposes I lead a normal life now and have plenty of healthy relationships in my life.

But yeah, I can certainly see behaviours between Tully and Drew that are similar to relationships I've had. Both with me as the Tully and the Drew. I think someone needs to intervene for both their sales. And whether Tully has a personality disorder or something else, I really don't think she should be in that house any longer, for her own sake as much as others. And I hope she is open to treatment options when she gets out. Though its likely that the poor reception she receives will just make her defensive and lash out.
 
Queen Alla said:
Just so you know, there are effective treatments for BPD. I was diagnosed 2 years ago, have had DBT and ACT, and the difference in me has been astounding. I can live a normal life and don't cause problems for myself and people around me.

Also, perhaps consider your tone when talking about different groups of people. It wouldn't be acceptable to have that tone when talking about people from a different race or sexuality to you, or people with Down's Syndrome, so perhaps think about not using that tone when discussing people with mental health issues.
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My apologies, I don't mean to sound horrid but I'm aware I often do - I'm a bit too blunt, and a bit rushed sometimes.

I have had horrific experiences with BPD, and kind of just feel like running when that word is mentioned.
Last workplace, assaults, attacks(chairs thrown), abuse, all from our local BPD sufferers. Two in particular just kept attacking us, and we would have to close and call the police.

And we just couldn't find any help for them.

I had heard of some advancements in treatment, are things improving?
 
kxk said:
My apologies, I don't mean to sound horrid but I'm aware I often do - I'm a bit too blunt, and a bit rushed sometimes.

I have had horrific experiences with BPD, and kind of just feel like running when that word is mentioned.
Last workplace, assaults, attacks(chairs thrown), abuse, all from our local BPD sufferers. Two in particular just kept attacking us, and we would have to close and call the police.

And we just couldn't find any help for them.

I had heard of some advancements in treatment, are things improving?
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It's fine :) thank you for the apology, and I apologise too, I can be a bit defensive sometime because the more, ah, disruptive BPD sufferers give everyone a bad name.

There have been some huge leaps and bounds in regard to BPD treatment. I was medicated for a while but that seemed to make things worse - I had a breakdown in relationship which can be traumatic enough for a BPD, but while I was on mess I had by far the worst reaction I've ever had (nearly being hospitalised). I admit I am, in general, a milder case of BPD if such a thing as mild BPD exists, and appreciate that there are cases that are far more extreme and ongoing. I've done a couple of group therapy programs, and for the most part the people have been similar to myself. However, the programs are voluntary and more extreme cases where there is a lack of self awareness are unlikely to commit to therapy and attend as it is admitting there is something wrong with them. I guess like any mental health issue there are degrees of it, and there are people willing to get help and others not. Unfortunately the BPD sufferers who are extreme, are incredibly extreme and often lack empathy and are definitely a danger to those around them, and everyone gets painted with the same brush. No hard feelings.
 
Ooops! Forgot to actually add more about treatments. DBT was the go to therapy for a while, but not many places offer it and it can be expensive. I live in a rural area also so it was even harder to come by. I did a little bit of that in a group setting and it would have been effective, but the getting to and from and disruption to my life had a detrimental effect too, so overall it wasn't great. I receive treatment through my local hospital that has a psychiatric department and see a psychiatrist once every couple of months and have a trained case manager in between. He introduced me to ACT therapy and I have been working through that with him. I am about to start another group therapy program that has been organised by Spectrum (an organisation that specialises in personality disorders, especially BPD). Their program draws from a wide range if treatments but has its basis in ACT, and from all accounts is incredibly effective. With your line of work I would strongly suggest getting in touch with them as I'm sure they would be able to give you information and support for dealing with BPD.
 
Queen Alla said:
Ooops! Forgot to actually add more about treatments. DBT was the go to therapy for a while, but not many places offer it and it can be expensive. I live in a rural area also so it was even harder to come by. I did a little bit of that in a group setting and it would have been effective, but the getting to and from and disruption to my life had a detrimental effect too, so overall it wasn't great. I receive treatment through my local hospital that has a psychiatric department and see a psychiatrist once every couple of months and have a trained case manager in between. He introduced me to ACT therapy and I have been working through that with him. I am about to start another group therapy program that has been organised by Spectrum (an organisation that specialises in personality disorders, especially BPD). Their program draws from a wide range if treatments but has its basis in ACT, and from all accounts is incredibly effective. With your line of work I would strongly suggest getting in touch with them as I'm sure they would be able to give you information and support for dealing with BPD.
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Thank you, what your talking about sounds like what I was spoken to about 2 years ago, that new ways of addressing the condition were having great results.

I have taken a step back from that work, after being personally assaulted physically it was time for a rest, thus I'm not so up to date with what's developing.
We just found it so frustrating there was no real help out there for these clearly very troubled people, we kept getting blank walls - and that's when we organised our own session and found some hope.

We also found amphetamine addicts were behaving rather like people with BPD, one woman especially is just fine now she kicked the drugs.

Must be tough as hell disorder to live with, wonderful to hear that there is some help and your doing well - that is a lot of hardwork you put in.
 
:pp said:
No treatment for NPD and ASPD but BPD can be helped with CBT... to a point.

I would normally agree with you in a domestic setting but they are desperate for validation, so uber validation via fame is a mighty payoff for a Borderline. I suggest it tipped the scales for her to tolerate the lockdown and the rules etc.
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Yep, your right, the attention seeking outweighs the can't take orders, and they kind of fight for priority.

She could just be a brat, who went in there expecting to be admired for her beauty, tall slim, model girl - oh shit, not just one but 2 are real beauties.
What am I, shit, I don't think I'm even areal lesbian, but Drew is so pretty, maybe I am......
 
Thanks so much Queen Alla and kxk for yr insight.

Interesting that many on the forum made the comparison of domestic violence behaviour and (what we believe is) her Borderline.

"I hate you! Don't leave me!"

With male perped domestic violence is about entitlement. I own you.

So I can see where there are similarities. One is personality-based, the other patriarchal societal-induced.
 
OMG, that last update about empathy - I reckon people are going to use clips of her to show kids what empathy is NOT.

She has no clue what empathy means, it's embarrassing/cringy watching her.

And now I truly believe she's not crazy, she is a spoilt immature brat, pure and simple, a bitch.
And she has based some of her dumbarse life on fucking Twilight - Jasper the empathy vampire, he gets all crazy with feeling everyone's emotions and does crazy stuff.

Oh god she's such a fuckwit, she really has no concept of what that word means -have we seen her try to comfort a single soul?
Empathise with Jade ya bitch, or Mikka, or Tahan.
Oh does ya empathy thing only work on guys? But, I thought, didn't you say you are a lesbian?
So where are you girl buddies???

Tim had her summed up, one of the early shows, as a part of that fake cliché of upthemselves Sydney socialite lesbian hipster posers, and they are all bitches
 
asdf said:
Heidi is going home tomorrow, this greasy mop will be in the top 3 save% probably.
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Who on earth will still be voting for him? I am sure you are right though..the results often end up the complete opposite to what I imagine(hope)
 
I am still about a week behind in BB. However I don't like Drew. He's quite a week personality and a sheep.

He needs to be a fucking man and not a little bitch.
 
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