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Okay. So I've been watching every episode and even posted a question here to try and understand your game which was: why is there no "game talk". Come to find out that its not allowed in your house; strikes and all. BUT, I have read many posts about "alliances", so how can housemates form alliances if they cannot discuss who they will nominate. Enlighten me.
 
The only way to really form alliances is to become close friends with someone, which almost guarantees they won't nominate you (unless they are being very strategic). And if you're close friends with someone you may be more likely to both vote for the same people.
 
The australian version to american version is very different, We don't have, head of household and pov and all that jazz! :) Well basically alliances are form, by them just been hanging around each other, and they form groups and blah blah. and they might chat about who is annoying them etc. but when it comes to nominations its really everyone for themselves kind of thing. if they are smart enough, they wont go and nominate someone they are close to, (uhm matt nominated tully lols) instead they will nomimate someone they are not close to..
 
stevenx said:
The australian version to american version is very different, We don't have, head of household and pov and all that jazz! :) Well basically alliances are form, by them just been hanging around each other, and they form groups and blah blah. and they might chat about who is annoying them etc. but when it comes to nominations its really everyone for themselves kind of thing. if they are smart enough, they wont go and nominate someone they are close to, (uhm matt nominated tully lols) instead they will nomimate someone they are not close to..
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This is why i think that the AU version is a harder game to play. It's easy to ask someone outright to form an alliance and to vote the same way. But in BBAU you have to be able to read people really well to know who is close to who. Tully obviously can't do that because she think that Matt is still a close friend (alliance) but he nominated her.
 
Womack said:
how can housemates form alliances if they cannot discuss who they will nominate. Enlighten me.
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All a HM has to do is say something like, Heidi is annoying me today as she had an extra bit of butter.

Or I haven't gotten to know Drew properly etc.
 
Okay, so I get that it's very subtle. So how can the viewers (folks on this forum) assume who the "alliances" are?
 
Kaz said:
All a HM has to do is say something like, Heidi is annoying me today as she had an extra bit of butter.

Or I haven't gotten to know Drew properly etc.
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Yup, so they can kinda make it obvious but not completely obvious.

I haven't seen BBUSA but I have seen some Survivor show where people could talk openly about who they were voting for and it just bored me a bit. I would rather hear people say what they 'think' about other housemates from their actions or behaviours or different takes on conversations etc than just 'hey lets team up and vote against bob'
 
They can't say directly who they'll nominate, but they can have conversations about who has been annoying them over recent days and why. Often these will reflect their nominations, so you could view them as hinting to others who they're going to nominate. But they can't know whether others will follow their lead or not.

Another thing they seem to be allowed to say is "I don't know why you've been nominated" this implies they weren't someone who nominated them, but then again it could be a bluff.

In any event similarly minded people will tend to act in concert without needing to conspire.
 
Womack said:
Okay, so I get that it's very subtle. So how can the viewers (folks on this forum) assume who the "alliances" are?
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We assume who the alliances are by who are close friends e.g. Drew and Tim are really good friends and they have never nominated against each other so we can assume they are in an alliance. The housemates in Australia don't tend to treat it as much of a game though so instead of being labelled as alliances, they are more just known as friendships.
 
Womack said:
Okay, so I get that it's very subtle. So how can the viewers (folks on this forum) assume who the "alliances" are?
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If there were Alliances in the house, It'd look something like this

Alliance 1
Tim, Makkayla + Maybe Tahan & Ben

No Alliance - Drew (Close to both Tim & Tully) Jade (Close to both Tim & Ed)

Alliance 2
Matt, Caleb, Ed, Heidi, Tully + Maybe Suger Sisters (Romance with Caleb & hate Tahan)
 
CASEYBB said:
If there were Alliances in the house, It'd look something like this

Alliance 1
Tim, Makkayla + Maybe Tahan & Ben

No Alliance - Drew (Close to both Tim & Tully) Jade (Close to both Tim & Ed)

Alliance 2
Matt, Caleb, Ed, Heidi, Tully + Maybe Suger Sisters (Romance with Caleb & hate Tahan)
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Jade has already identified her alliance as being with Drew and Tim.
 
Womack said:
Okay. So I've been watching every episode and even posted a question here to try and understand your game which was: why is there no "game talk". Come to find out that its not allowed in your house; strikes and all. BUT, I have read many posts about "alliances", so how can housemates form alliances if they cannot discuss who they will nominate. Enlighten me.
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The alliances are more subtle and nuanced in non US versions of BB. Friendships are formed and housemates inevitably share their 'dislike' of certain hms if they feel they're on the same wavelenght. Nobody is bullied to form an alliance with a group like there would be in the US version which a poor man's Survivor. Housemates with half a brain can insinuate who they'll nominate by just dropping subtle hints in conversations, it's not that hard.
 
In the Oz version they seem to be there "for the experience" rather than to win, and in fact, the audience (who has all the power) often votes out those that seem to be "playing the game" because we always voted out the seemingly nasty people. Basically it was a popularity contest - with the audience - and who we liked. Vote to save (rather than vote to evict) has helped keep the more interesting characters in, people tend to vote who is on their mind the most. In the old days, the most boring people stayed under the radar and went on to win. Yawn. That sucked.

It's a completely different game, here they're trying to win over the audience ultimately.

I've never watched BBUS, but I'm about 12 eps into BB Canada, and whoa it's such a different game. It's a game game! I love it, the strategy and all the gasp out loud NO WAY moments (bye-bye Tom!). It's fascinating and I'm thoroughly hooked despite already knowing who wins.

But I do like our version too!
 
des moines said:
Jade has already identified her alliance as being with Drew and Tim.
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I consider an alliance more to be HM's getting together strategically to influence the game, Jade hasn't really aligned herself with anyone besides Drew & and that was more BB's doing. I think Jade's just drifting in the middle at the moment, A few friendships but no alliances.
 
I tried to watch the American version.. Because of my fascination with this concept and my goodness, it was awful.
A pile of d grade actors, lacking any real emotion,excitement, social understanding and they are all the SAME.
Love America(ns) but this show can't work over there.
 
stevenx said:
The australian version to american version is very different, We don't have, head of household and pov and all that jazz! :) Well basically alliances are form, by them just been hanging around each other, and they form groups and blah blah. and they might chat about who is annoying them etc. but when it comes to nominations its really everyone for themselves kind of thing. if they are smart enough, they wont go and nominate someone they are close to, (uhm matt nominated tully lols) instead they will nomimate someone they are not close to..
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Which is why it becomes gossip central - it's the only way to get opinions across. So, I don't get while people get bashed for gossiping (e.g. Drew) - seems like the only way to "play" the game.
 
I love the Australian version, to me this is what BB is about, people getting to know each other, having conflicts, develop friendships and crushes, gossip, ... And we the people decide who was most entertaining and true to themselves and choose a winner.
I tried the American version but hated it! Saw a bunch of people get in the house and a few guys going you look like a reliable guy let's team up, I watched 3 eps and most of the show was them talking tactics and alliances, nothing about the people or any real interaction, not my cup of tea at all!
I know it's a game and even in the Australian version people play the game but I like that it's much more subtle and also more difficult to play cause there are no clear alliances
 
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