Bullying

[Tee]

I agree with you, only time she has ever been really upset was the Sarah conversation, after being nominated (thats not bullying its part of the game, Sara-Mare, Camilla all had worse) and hearing Michael nominating her, which cant of effected her to much since she is now spending most nights kissing him.

If I were Estelle and read half the stuff on here about me as this poor little victim I would be horrified. Estelle believes herself to be a strong independent girl who can stand up for what she believes and is happy with who she is, I think she would be embarrassed that people see her as a perpetual victim that needs protection.

And even people like Angie who struggled with her most in the house said she didnt hate her, she struggled to live in a confined space 24/7 with her which most people would with anyone. Fact of life is you wont get along with everyone, people will not always like you, and if you are on a game show based on personality you have to expect that. I'll be interested when Estelle is evicted to see what she thinks about being thought of as a victim I imagine she will struggle with that more than she would anything thats happened in the house.

To mimic some nut in here,

Quoted for truth.

 

[mutleyp]

Oh stop it.

Honestly, I think some of you in here wouldn't know bullying if it jumped up punched you in the throat then gave you a wedgie till your arse bled.

Agreed again TraLa, just because someone doesnt like you and might bitch behind your back is not bullying, thats life, if you have experience true bullying you would know how horrible and damaging it is and how frustrating it is when people scream "Bully" just because they dont like what has been said, someones opinion or point of view, we have become this society where we want to label things with whatever buzzwords are at this moment. Next year it will be something different.

 

[Connoisseur]

Love it how bullies justify bullying. That one incident involving Sarah is the only time Estelle lost her composure outside of the dairy room. Credit to Estelle for not letting the bullies know they were getting to her in any further incidents but it does not mean that just because she's not obviously displayed emotional distress by their actions that they're not engaging in bullying behaviour.

Go and stick it up'em Estelle!

 

[Tee]

Love it how bullies justify bullying. That one incident involving Sarah is the only time Estelle lost her composure outside of the dairy room. Credit to Estelle for not letting the bullies know they were getting to her in any further incidents but it does not mean that just because she's not obviously displayed emotional distress by their actions that they're not engaging in bullying behaviour.

Go and stick it up'em Estelle!

Same can be said for the victims in here, justifying being constantly victimised against.

Thankfully this can't be said about Estelle.

You might want to steal a leaf out of her book.

 

[mutleyp]

Love it how bullies justify bullying.

So are you saying we are bullies?

 

[la`cat]

Same can be said for the victims in here, justifying being constantly victimised against.

Thankfully this can't be said about Estelle.

You might want to steal a leaf out of her book.

Exactly TraLa ............ we should all steal a leaf out of estelle's book

Most of the rest of them have shown us what they are made of.......and pretty unpalatable stuff that is...
Ben actually said the word last night when talking about the hairspray and the stacey said friends and estelle only being there for the money

SHUNNED ..........had to use uppercase so everyone could see.
Depending on why someone is being shunned , it can be in the bully class.
eg Benn used the word because stacey had told him a lie...and therefore estelle had been shunned because of that lie.
not nice.



ps i find articulate hard this early in the day

 

[Connoisseur]

I don't know what other assumption to make. You'd never catch me making excuses for anything I find abhorrent.

 

[Kaz]

Love it how bullies justify bullying. That one incident involving Sarah is the only time Estelle lost her composure outside of the dairy room. Credit to Estelle for not letting the bullies know they were getting to her in any further incidents but it does not mean that just because she's not obviously displayed emotional distress by their actions that they're not engaging in bullying behaviour.

If Estelle is/was being bullied (which I don't think she is/was) for her not to say something about it, she is condoning this behaviour.

 

[v-tone]

The devout Estelle Extremist has to hate either Ben or Michael, and the devout Ben Extremist has to hate Estelle.

The irony is, both sides fight and name call in a spit filled vitriolic frenzy, in the never ending crusade against all that is bullying and nastiness.

We can all be stirred to anger and I don't think most of us would claim we're above that. However, Estelle nutters admire her for getting closer than most of us ever could.

As for the target of one's "vitriolic frenzy", surely it's more righteous (yukky connotations in that word, I know, but...) if it's directed against the person doing the isolating and the backstabbing rather than the target? That's what's so uplifting about being an Estelle nutter: we know we hold the moral high-ground!

 

[Tee]

Exactly TraLa ............ we should all steal a leaf out of estelle's book

Most of the rest of them have shown us what they are made of.......and pretty unpalatable stuff that is...



ps i find articulate hard this early in the day

I don't know what other assumption to make. You'd never catch me making excuses for anything I find abhorrent.

That's the thing I find the funniest in here.

When you say nasty and hurtful things in retaliation, that doesn't make you better than the person you dislike so much, it just makes you the same.

Connoisseur, I think you are a great example of this. You are a walking contradiction. You are the self appointed Anti Bully Activist, who spits bile and hatred at other housemates in retaliation.

You are a forum oxymoron.

 

[la`cat]

That's the thing I find the funniest in here.

When you say nasty and hurtful things in retaliation, that doesn't make you better than the person you dislike so much, it just makes you the same.

Connoisseur, I think you are a great example of this. You are a walking contradiction. You are the self appointed Anti Bully Activist, who spits bile and hatred at other housemates in retaliation.

You are a forum oxymoron.

What am I quoted for ?? I am not fully awake yet...and having seen the vidoes on the os am just stunned.
That or I am having a yuck day.

 

[Tee]

We can all be stirred to anger and I don't think most of us would claim we're above that. However, Estelle nutters admire her for getting closer than most of us ever could.

As for the target of one's "vitriolic frenzy", surely it's more righteous (yukky connotations in that word, I know, but...) if it's directed against the person doing the isolating and the backstabbing rather than the target? That's what's so uplifting about being an Estelle nutter: we know we hold the moral high-ground!

I respect the average Estelle Fan, I really do.

However this cluster of Estelle Al-Qa'ida Extremists who use Estelle's time in the house to produce victimised propaganda and hatred to incite their retarded War on Bullies, make me fucking sick.

 

[Tee]

What am I quoted for ?? I am not fully awake yet...and having seen the vidoes on the os am just stunned.
That or I am having a yuck day.

It was in response to the "them" you speak of and the "unpalatable stuff".

It just read like you were being nasty in retaliation, which was the topic of my post.

 

[mutleyp]

I don't know what other assumption to make. You'd never catch me making excuses for anything I find abhorrent.

Have you yourself been subject to bullying? I have, not going to share my sob story here as its not particularly relevant nor is it anybodies business, but I dont see what is classed as bullying in this case, and it frustrates me that its bandied around so much and takes away meaning.

 

[cattle_and_cane10]

Just keep in mind, it is your role to empower your children, not to teach them to be victims.

You sound like a first class tool. It's pretty arrogant to be telling other people how to raise their children.

Your "victim" theory is interesting. So the onus is completely on the recipient of the bullying and his/her parents? The bullies themselves are at leisure to do what they like. Hmm ... guess you were a bully once, or maybe still are.

 

[la`cat]

It was in response to the "them" you speak of and the "unpalatable stuff".

It just read like you were being nasty in retaliation, which was the topic of my post.

I didn;t write it that way, adding here, and nor did I mean it that way.....I was stating how I saw some of the behaviour and lies in the house.
Nothing nasty, just observations of the standards they present, and the standards I regard as acceptable. I find a lot of the behaviour, by any of, and all of, the housemates unacceptable. if I was the mother of some of them I would not be proud, but cringing.
I was talking standards, you were talking bullying....but the shunned one I saw last night, so added that.
Cranky bldy fairy this time of the morning.

 

[Fonzerelli]

I don't think Estelle has been bullied really - the closest was Sarah telling her to be quiet and grabbing her arms in a weird, passive aggressive way.

Sure she's been ostracised, bitched about etc but bullied? Not really.

 

[Michael Nguyen]

I am gay myself and as Ben is a gay man, I would of thought that he would treat others how he would want to be treated with respect and dignity, he has shown no respect to Estelle... its sad the general public dont see this because of Channel 9's manipulation..

 

[mutleyp]

I don't think Estelle has been bullied really - the closest was Sarah telling her to be quiet and grabbing her arms in a weird, passive aggressive way.

Sure she's been ostracised, bitched about etc but bullied? Not really.

I agree with this, I think some of the housemates have shown some less than favourable behaviours and I hope once they get out they see and are ashamed of those behaviours

 

[Fonzerelli]

Ben simply has a dual personality - the natural one and the rational one.

Natural - Nasty little shit talker, uber drama queen
Rational - Dr Phil psychobabble, over-analysing mother figure