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2012 US Presidential Election

derspatz said:
You're forgetting that Palin is yet to make her move, what with her needing to be at the helm when the Nazis "come in peace" from the dark side of the moon in 2018 and all that. ;):)

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Oh, and from google news, I've just read that "Sarah Palin claims she could still join Republican race".

Heh.

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I love that quote in the movie "all presidents who start a war in their first term get reelected" it's just gold
 
Pecan, do you think the republicans are crazy enough to endorse Santorum for Pres?

Surely they can see it will all end in tears?
 
ichi said:
Pecan, do you think the republicans are crazy enough to endorse Santorum for Pres?

Surely they can see it will all end in tears?
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Romney's still beating Santorum two to one in terms of delegates:

http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries.html

I doubt Santorum will win the nomination, would make for an interesting election though if he did.

Romney also had a couple of small wins today in Hawaii and American Samoa:

http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/hi

http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/as

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kats said:
Ichi,

Maybe thats the plan though :)

They dont really want this election ;)
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Yeah, it's not a strong field. The crate-gate story is back in the spotlight again too, thanks to Stephen Colbert. This is the Republican's best candidate:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74001.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/dogs-against-romney-alabama_n_1343004.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...s-Mitt-Romney-in-doghouse-at-Westminster-show

http://www.dogsagainstromney.com/
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...of-racist-anti-obama-sticker-shuts-down-site/

The offending sticker

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I knew politics in the USA was a bit cut throat but this is just way OTT ... I only found out about this because it's gone viral on facebook and twitter.

I don't think election material should step over certain lines:

race - directly or implied
sexuality
religion etc
 
The Religion of Obama

Ironically enough ;), I'm posting the following from a place in W.A. called "Gingin", where LSCP and I stayed last night as part of a weekend out and about doing different things, wot shall culminate tonight with a closer look at part of the heavens.

For the full article, visit here.


The Religion of Obama
by Ron Cantor

Note: This is long, but worth reading. Just over a year ago I set out to investigate just what Barack Obama believes, if anything. Below are the results. This is important information for every evangelical. Before President Obama was elected I wrote several critical articles concerning his friendships and associations (such as birthing his political career in the home of unrepentant domestic terrorists and lauding of praise on PLO Attorney Rashid Khalid). It was the first and only time in my life I was called a racist. I was stunned! Dr. King's admonition was to look past the color of one's skin to character. But when I did that I was admonished precisely because of the color of his skin. (Hypocritically, when white liberals publish articles against Allen West or Clarence Thomas, no one blinks an eye.)

Now that President Obama has been in office three years, I hope people will view this for what it is-an honest investigation-not a racist diatribe.

About a year ago several prominent ministers, including T.D Jakes, wrote an open letter defending the Christian faith of President Obama. This was in response to a recent poll that claimed one in five Americans believe the President is a Muslim.

In part, it read, "We believe that questioning, and especially misrepresenting, the faith of a confessing believer goes too far." Well certainly misrepresenting ones faith is wrong, but questioning? Paul would certainly disagree. He instructed the Corinthians to dis-fellowship a professing believer because of his sinful behavior. Yeshua taught us that we don't judge a tree by its public, politically expedient confession, but by its fruit. John the Prophet urged those repenting to show fruit (Luke 3:8) and not rely on a confession ("We have Abraham as our father").

Often crime bosses claim affection for Jesus. Should we refrain from judging them, too? How about the so-called Christians of the Crusades, who killed tens of thousands of Jews and Muslims? Should we take them at their word that they were true Christians? After all, they held huge banners with crosses.

Again, contrary to the opinion of the respected leaders who signed the document, we are to judge a tree by its fruit-or by its actions, associations, or words as well as its history. When a public figure expresses faith for the purpose of getting votes, we should definitely inspect their confession, theology, and moral behavior-be it President Obama or John McCain.

One thing I learned growing up in the south is that you can call yourself a Christian, believe you are a Christian and not be a Christian. Just about everyone with whom I grew up, except for my Jewish friends, called themselves Christian, and I came to find out later that hardly any of them actually were.

So what does President Obama believe?

HE IS NOT A MUSLIM

I don't think there is any evidence that the president believes in Islam as a faith. His father was born into a Muslim family but became a confirmed atheist before Barack was born. His mother, who oversaw his education, was also an atheist. His parents divorced after two years and his father, after attending Harvard, returned to Kenya, only visiting his son once after that. In other words, he could not have raised his son as a Muslim because he didn't raise him.

For long portions of his childhood his mother was working in Indonesia while he lived with his grandparents in Hawaii. It is true that he spent time in a Muslim school as well as a Catholic one in Indonesia, but his primary influences were in Hawaii.

In the president's memoir, Dreams of my Father, he points to Frank Marshall Davis as a mentor during his teenage years. Davis has been publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (Obama's Communist Mentor, Cliff Kincaid, www.aim.org) and actually authored a pornographic novel, which many believe to be autobiographical. Here is a glimpse into his psyche-"The genuine Communists I knew as well as others so labeled had one principle in common: to use any and every means to abolish racism." (Popular fronts: Chicago and African-American cultural politics, 1935-46, By Bill Mullen) Davis' views were much closer to Black Liberation Theology (see below) than Islam. And President Obama's young adult life portrays a man who is more concerned with social justice than jihad.

Quoting Arabic phrases in Cairo (during his infamous 'can't we all just get along' speech) was merely a humanistic effort to bridge the gap between the US and the Arab world. Of course it was troubling that he gave his first interview as president-not to ABC, NBC or CBS, but to Al-Arabiya, who claims to be the leading news channel of the Arab world. This speaks more to his naive belief that a little friendship can overcome the deep-seated demonic hatred in the Arab world against the US and Israel, than to the idea that he himself is a Muslim. The president seems to believe that the root of terrorism is not Islamic fundamentalism, but rather Western aggression and he wants to portray himself as the first US president who gets it.

HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Can you believe in premeditative killing of a child inside its mother's womb and be a true Christian? Can you believe that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice and be born again? Where in his adult life can the fruit, the passion to live for Yeshua, or a witness to the lost be seen? Is there any outward evangelical evidence in his life besides his confession?

But Ron, he attended Church for 20 years. And what did they preach at that church? Jesus the Messiah, who died for your sins, who conquered death, hell and the grave, and through Him you can have eternal life? Or Jesus, the Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Susan B Anthony all rolled up into one, of His day, who set us an example of standing against social injustice and inequality; an example that we must follow? (Just so no one misunderstands me, I have the greatest respect for all three of those historical figures who stood up for the rights of the downtrodden. My point is that Yeshua's mission was much greater.)

It would seem the latter from his interview in Christianity Today. This interview, in which President Obama speaks of his faith, was arranged for political purposes to dispel rumors that he is a Muslim. He says as if repeating a text (and again, I don't know what is in his heart, but dear friends-this is politics-very
little is unscripted), "I believe in the redemptive death of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."

But then he takes a radical and quite revealing turn: "But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Christianity Today, Q&A with Barack Obama, Interview by Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen, January 23, 2008)

Following Yeshua's example of good works is MORE IMPORTANT than his redemptive work on the cross according to the President. And the last little bit where he speaks of prioritizing the weak over the strong is a page right out of the Black Liberation Theology playbook. It would be one thing to say, "My born again experience moves me to follow the example of Yeshua," as it should, but it is another thing entirely to say that following His example is more important than being born again.

As I said before, that interview was set up for political purposes with the goal of convincing people that he was a Christian. However, a few years earlier, then State Senator Obama gave another interview on his religion, where it could not be clearer that he is not an evangelical

“So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”

He was asked, “Do you pray often?” His response, “Uh, yeah, I guess I do.”

Furthermore, he takes issues with the doctrine of hell. He doesn’t believe “my God” would send anyone to hell. Any sane believer would have some struggle to understand the doctrine of hell, but we believe the word of God.

“If I live my life as well as I can, [I believe] that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

Not sure if there is a heaven, but if so, the way to get there is through being good. This is not evangelical doctrine. He goes on to define sin, not as breaking God’s law, but, “Being out of alignment with my values.”

His spiritual role models? Ghandi, Dr. King and President Lincoln.

And if you read the whole interview it becomes clear that his church involvement stemmed from his desire to be a community organizer—not from any religious passion.

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I find that hilarious.

Though i totally disagree. I like Obama. And he's streets ahead of either Romney or Santorum.

He just is ok.

And have you looked up Santorum on google definitions, google bomb. :)
 
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