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Ed's Defintion of Friendship

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Tillyestelle

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Just endured Ed taking the High Moral ground over the Face-to-Face Nominations.
Watching him come to the aid of "My Lady Jadey" was sickening!
After announcing that he would NEVER nominate a close friend, Boog called him out for the time he put Jade up instead of Tim...."I just don't know if I can beat Tim" was his reasoning at the time...Leaving the truth unsaid "but I know I can sure as hell beat Jade!"

What a Hypocrite!

Discuss......
 
I'm sure he was aware Jade would react as she did "I understand, what else could you do? I'm weak and your lesser, I completely get it! You're so cute when you make a fool of me and take me for granted...I think I just fell in love with you alll over again...."
 
His character and facade is some moralistic, perfect prince charming guy.

Of course it's bullshit. We know he's not overly intelligent. He is just self actualized enough to chose what he says carefully. We know he's not prince charming because of the Jade thing. As was said, she's the one that treats him like a princess. She just bought into the facade. Hell he gave her a rock as a gift and she thought it was amazing.

Anyway, he saw this as an opportunity to try and play a card against Tim. Of course it failed. It wasn't a good card or a real card to play. Things like him putting Jade up. There was no excuse. Of course then he gets shitty late on at Tim, as if Tim some how made him look a fool.


The funny thing is, Ed is fighting and losing the game against Tim. However he's losing to the imaginary Tim in his head. To his own paranoia.
 
He is a bit of a hypocrite but I think Ed's main problem is that he doesn't know how to argue. He basically turned the whole debacle in Tim's favour as soon as he took the moral high ground, because that wasn't what Jade was annoyed with to begin with; Jade was just upset because Tim didn't have the guts or the honesty to give his real reason for nominating Jade.

Ed made it seem as if Jade was upset simpy because Tim had betrayed her, but from what I understood that wasn't the case. Jade's 'I've stood by you the entire time' just meant (as she put it herself) 'I've stood by you the entire time so I deserve a better reason' rather than 'I've stood by you the entire time so you shouldn't have betrayed me'.

Ed's not such a bad guy because when he put Jade up he gave a proper reason: he knew he couldn't win against Tim. That's a strategic reason, and he had the guts to admit he was playing for strategy. Tim, on the other hand, nominated Jade because of a bug.
I think Jade put the whole thing very well with her 'a bug over a life experience' but Ed just made the whole thing more convoluted. Let Jade speak for herself Ed! She can evidently argue and get her point across heaps better than you ever could. (That's my only gripe with Ed.)
 
It's really clear to me what Ed is doing with Jade. He brings up issues to her, he actively encourages her to act on those issues (I've seen him to do this several times, "you should have it out with her/him"), he fans the flames of the issue, he sits on the sidelines and interjects to make sure Jade stays riled up. Then, in the aftermath, he reaffirms that she had the right to do what she did. This is the most blatant way that he is using Jade. He encourages the arguments between her and other housemates, knowing (thinking) he will be out of the limelight of it, mostly.

The time he put her up instead of Tim, fair enough, he explained his reason at the time. He had to, because he strategically didn't want Tim up. Sure, him and Jade weren't *as close* at the time, but still close enough that it hurt her. It was after that night that Jade cried and Ed consoled her by getting closer with her. He started sleeping in her bed and cuddling her more often after that. THEN he nominated her the next week.

She should be heart-broken once she hears all the things he has said about her, and especially once she realises the timing, after she gets out. She will be so determined to hold onto her 'dream' man though, that she will rationalise it in her mind, most likely by saying 'it's just a game'. Which apparently only applies to Ed, not Tim or Drew.

I think Jade is a nice person, but she is so desperate for reassurance and keeping Ed that it (JADED) has totally made her BB experience a non-existent event for her. Maybe, maybe she'll learn something from this in retrospect. If so, then that will be the silver lining to her BB cloud.
 
Ed would have been over the moon when Jade confronted Tim and Drew over their reasoning. It gave him the opportunity to jump on his moral high horse and race in like the "hero" to defend Jade. However it totally backfired because he started arguing an issue that was completely different to what Jade was upset about. He started going on about betrayal and Tim's morals (which wasn't Jade's issue at all - more wanting a real reason from him), which completely backfired when Boog brought up his own betrayal of Jade.

I do think the issue of Ed putting Jade up over Tim was very different (he was put in an impossible position), but he himself has actually nominated Jade as well so I don't know how he honestly thinks anyone (in or out of the house) was going to buy his argument...especially when there's two intruders in the house that would have seen him nominate her.

It would have been more beneficial to him to just STFU. Jade had it handled. Him jumping in and arguing a completely different issue didn't help Jade get the answer she really wanted at all, and it just made him look like a massive self righteous hypocrite. His desire to use Jade's pain to his own advantage against Tim and Drew got the best of him though.
 
Gemini said:
Ed would have been over the moon when Jade confronted Tim and Drew over their reasoning. It gave him the opportunity to jump on his moral high horse and race in like the "hero" to defend Jade. However it totally backfired because he started arguing an issue that was completely different to what Jade was upset about. He started going on about betrayal and Tim's morals (which wasn't Jade's issue at all - more wanting a real reason from him), which completely backfired when Boog brought up his own betrayal of Jade.

I do think the issue of Ed putting Jade up over Tim was very different (he was put in an impossible position), but he himself has actually nominated Jade as well so I don't know how he honestly thinks anyone (in or out of the house) was going to buy his argument...especially when there's two intruders in the house that would have seen him nominate her.

It would have been more beneficial to him to just STFU. Jade had it handled. Him jumping in and arguing a completely different issue didn't help Jade get the answer she really wanted at all, and it just made him look like a massive self righteous hypocrite. His desire to use Jade's pain to his own advantage against Tim and Drew got the best of him though.
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I don't think we've seen Jade in weeks, it's sad but just like Heidi & Makkayla, shes turned into one of Ed's talking parrots, completely trained and only regurgitates what shes been trained to say.
 
CASEYBB said:
I don't think we've seen Jade in weeks, it's sad but just like Heidi & Makkayla, shes turned into one of Ed's talking parrots, completely trained and only regurgitates what shes been trained to say.
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I do agree that we haven't seen Jade in a couple of weeks, but I think we did when she was questioning Tim and Drew over their nomination reasons. I was happy she stood up and wanted real reasons from them, because if two people I had been close with for most of my time there nominated me for such a stupid reason I'd want to know why they really did it. I don't think that came from Ed at all. I think she was genuinely upset.

The problem however was that Ed jumped in and started using Jade's pain as an excuse to argue his own issues. The thing is though, his issues with Tim and Drew were totally different to Jade's. She was going at it from the perspective of "we've always had each other's backs, tell me why you're really nominating me", but Ed was using it as an excuse to question their moral integrity.

To me he wasn't defending Jade. If he were he'd help her get the answers out of them she wanted (i.e. their real reasons for nominating her). The way I saw it he was using her issues as a platform to launch into the issues he himself had with Tim. It had nothing to do with Jade, but he saw her questioning them as an opportunity to try and "play a card".

I don't think Jade is one of Ed's talking parrots at all. Ed has been in her ear about Tim and Drew for weeks but she still didn't nominate them. And yet he's hiding behind Jade and her issues with Tim and Drew as a way of firing his own shots at them.
 
Ed might not have been close to Jade then compared to now (because he had other people to hang out with). But he was still closer to Jade then, than Tim is now to Jade (especially after group divide).
 
1member1 said:
Ed might not have been close to Jade then compared to now (because he had other people to hang out with). But he was still closer to Jade then, than Tim is now to Jade (especially after group divide).
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Exactly. And he knew very well she liked him. A guy you like throwing you under the bus (in front of everyone) is much worse than someone you're sort of close to.
 
Gemini said:
The problem however was that Ed jumped in and started using Jade's pain as an excuse to argue his own issues. The thing is though, his issues with Tim and Drew were totally different to Jade's. She was going at it from the perspective of "we've always had each other's backs, tell me why you're really nominating me", but Ed was using it as an excuse to question their moral integrity.

To me he wasn't defending Jade. If he were he'd help her get the answers out of them she wanted (i.e. their real reasons for nominating her). The way I saw it he was using her issues as a platform to launch into the issues he himself had with Tim. It had nothing to do with Jade, but he saw her questioning them as an opportunity to try and "play a card".

I don't think Jade is one of Ed's talking parrots at all. Ed has been in her ear about Tim and Drew for weeks but she still didn't nominate them. And yet he's hiding behind Jade and her issues with Tim and Drew as a way of firing his own shots at them.
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ABSOLUTELY!!! He was talking for and on behalf of Jade and using HER reasons selfishly as a way to attack Tim/Drew...heaven help growing a set of balls and actually offering his own opinions/feelings for once!!!
 
Gemini said:
I do agree that we haven't seen Jade in a couple of weeks, but I think we did when she was questioning Tim and Drew over their nomination reasons. I was happy she stood up and wanted real reasons from them, because if two people I had been close with for most of my time there nominated me for such a stupid reason I'd want to know why they really did it. I don't think that came from Ed at all. I think she was genuinely upset.

The problem however was that Ed jumped in and started using Jade's pain as an excuse to argue his own issues. The thing is though, his issues with Tim and Drew were totally different to Jade's. She was going at it from the perspective of "we've always had each other's backs, tell me why you're really nominating me", but Ed was using it as an excuse to question their moral integrity.

To me he wasn't defending Jade. If he were he'd help her get the answers out of them she wanted (i.e. their real reasons for nominating her). The way I saw it he was using her issues as a platform to launch into the issues he himself had with Tim. It had nothing to do with Jade, but he saw her questioning them as an opportunity to try and "play a card".

I don't think Jade is one of Ed's talking parrots at all. Ed has been in her ear about Tim and Drew for weeks but she still didn't nominate them. And yet he's hiding behind Jade and her issues with Tim and Drew as a way of firing his own shots at them.
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Great Post Gemini and you're right, the issue has been more Ed jumping on opportunities to use Jade then anything shes really done herself. It makes you realize how much Ed is poisoning her character to the viewing public.
 
tilliii said:
Loved everything Drew had to say in the DR lol
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Ed is pretty transparent, but that being said, Drew has him completely pegged and his Ed-bashing in the DR is awesome.

I really hope that if they do a Last Supper style Secrets Revealed show this year that Ed gets to see Drew's DR footage. I want to see Ed's resultant apoplectic seizure.

Edit: I also want Jade to see Ed nominate her and trash-talk her behind her back, like the perfect gentleman he is. Aww, truluv4eva.
 
aieee said:
Ed is pretty transparent, but that being said, Drew has him completely pegged and his Ed-bashing in the DR is awesome.

I really hope that if they do a Last Supper style Secrets Revealed show this year that Ed gets to see Drew's DR footage. I want to see Ed's resultant apoplectic seizure.
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That would be very good TV but they might think people in the next series will hold back, not bitch about each other cos they know it will all be revealed.
 
tilliii said:
That would be very good TV but they might think people in the next series will hold back, not bitch about each other cos they know it will all be revealed.
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They did the Secrets Revealed show last year and they didn't hold back this year.
Face to face noms this year might affect things next year, but they just never know what they're gonna get.
 
tilliii said:
Exactly. And he knew very well she liked him. A guy you like throwing you under the bus (in front of everyone) is much worse than someone you're sort of close to.
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Yes, and Jade knew Tim nominated Drew few weeks ago when she had the super power who is his best friend. She still thought Tim could nominate Drew but not her? I thought she was closer to Ben than she is to Tim, yet she nominated Ben few times.
 
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