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Tim the psychopath - his tricks, and Ed

I'm not an expert, but Tim is definately SOMETHING. Even earlier in the show, although I found him entertaining then, there were clues that something was up with him. Like when he was wondering if he really could love somebody. Then in a live feed he was saying he does want other housemates to be happy and not just him because it feels better in the house. Not because he has empathy for them but because it feels better for him. He says he only feels uncomfortable if somebody doesn't think he's speical or unique. He has no empathy for Mikk and what he did. He deflected the blame then goes "I'll get the blame for it of course" trying to act all innocent. He freaked out on Mikk as soon as she called him out on how he loves every girl .. every girl is his type. He wants Boogs and Tahan around because they're not calling him out and they're just following him around. He's selfish and doesn't seem to have empathy. He smiles when he's happy that he's lying in front of people. "I seriously love ya, Boogs" all smiley knowing he was lying to a room full of people. It sounded a lot more fake when he said "It's real for me.." by the pool trying to convince her to do a showmance. He's not just tricking the housemates.. he's trying to trick the audience too. What he says in the diary room is to keep him in the show longer.
 
Oceanblue222 said:
This simply is not true. You may encounter people who have psychopathic traits but true psychopaths are actually rare. A true psychopath has no conscious/empathy. Not some, not only towards their mom, none.
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"Sociopath" and "psychopath" are socially constructed terms that can be applied in different ways, but even the strictest definition would still result in far more people being classed as sociopaths than there are serial killers. From what I have observed, the trend amongst psychologists and psychiatrists appears to be heading towards a more liberal and inclusive use of these terms, amidst a growing realization that most sociopaths do not commit extreme acts of violence. Having a lack of empathy does not automatically lead to an insatiable lust for murder and blood. In fact, most sociopaths who commit murder do so because they're going to get something out of it, not because they're addicted to killing. You can use and abuse people without physically hurting them, which is why you're going to find many sociopaths in government and business circles, not only in prisons.
 
Firefly said:
Tim is a cunning psychopath........sorry, don't see it. Annoying little shit, yes, evil puppet-master....not so much. Everything going wrong in the house now is being blamed on him. Does he really have that much power over the others? He gets waaaay too much credit. We're talking about a 29 year-old man-boy who lives with guinea pigs he named after rock stars. There's definitely something a bit off about him but it's nowhere near as sinister as what the OP and some other idiots are making it out to be. Personally all I see is someone who was once a weird, sensitive, quite intelligent kid with a mind that differs from the norm, who grew up to be a weird, sensitive, quite intelligent man who unfortunately became quite self-obsessed in a quest to be different from what he was.

That is all.
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All of this^ is +1 from me.
 
Oceanblue222 said:
This simply is not true. You may encounter people who have psychopathic traits but true psychopaths are actually rare. A true psychopath has no conscious/empathy. Not some, not only towards their mom, none.
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Yes we do also encounter people with psychopathic traits who are not psychopaths. In fact, most of us could look through the checklist of psychopathic traits and at least relate to something in there. Personally for me I think it would be promiscuity :p

But psychopathy is not that rare. Prevalence is estimated to be between 1% and 4% of the population. If you're someone who works, or goes to uni, or socialises, and particularly if you have a job where you serve the general public on a daily basis... you can easily come into contact with psychopaths every day.
 
Why is okay for Tim to call people out on their behaviour, yet as soon as someone does it to him he takes great offence and tries to shut them down and turn it around so they look bad? I'm sure he secretly loved every minute of the confrontation with Mik and the division it has caused. He will sit back and smile as he watches the fallout.
 
Hardyhaha said:
Why is okay for Tim to call people out on their behaviour, yet as soon as someone does it to him he takes great offence and tries to shut them down and turn it around so they look bad? I'm sure he secretly loved every minute of the confrontation with Mik and the division it has caused. He will sit back and smile as he watches the fallout.
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Jade was the one that was smiling about, seeing as she started it.

And no, I don't think Tim liked it.

Mikkayla didn't catch him out, Jade told him & when she 'confronted him, he admitted to it.
 
Tim can dish it, and boy he REALLY dishes it good. But he can NOT take it, at all! He stirs the pot, backstabs, plants seeds & generally messes with people's minds & emotions. But if ANYONE, Mikkayla for example, dares to challenge or question him he doesn't like it one bit.

I especially love (hate) when he has upset someone but turns it around so that they are the villain. And the sheer audacity he has at demanding apologies from people when he is the one who should be apologising!

I've never known someone as manipulative, scheming, sly & calculating as him. He is like a cartoon villain, cackling & gleefully rubbing his hands together when he makes trouble.
 
spygirl99 said:
Tim can dish it, and boy he REALLY dishes it good. But he can NOT take it, at all! He stirs the pot, backstabs, plants seeds & generally messes with people's minds & emotions. But if ANYONE, Mikkayla for example, dares to challenge or question him he doesn't like it one bit.

I especially love (hate) when he has upset someone but turns it around so that they are the villain. And the sheer audacity he has at demanding apologies from people when he is the one who should be apologising!

I've never known someone as manipulative, scheming, sly & calculating as him. He is like a cartoon villain, cackling & gleefully rubbing his hands together when he makes trouble.
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What? If anything it's the other way around. Tim generally doesn't seem like he gives a shit either way. And if anything, he often seems amused when people challenged him. He was basically extremely calm/laughing during the entire Mikkayla drama whereas Mikkayla was the one all bent out of shape, yelling and crying. Tim was basically just like...lol ok so what, big deal. I've never seen Tim really be that bent out of shape over anything anyone has said to or about him in the house. So I'm not really sure where you're getting that from. He seems to take it pretty well.
 
spygirl99 said:
Tim can dish it, and boy he REALLY dishes it good. But he can NOT take it, at all! He stirs the pot, backstabs, plants seeds & generally messes with people's minds & emotions. But if ANYONE, Mikkayla for example, dares to challenge or question him he doesn't like it one bit.

I especially love (hate) when he has upset someone but turns it around so that they are the villain. And the sheer audacity he has at demanding apologies from people when he is the one who should be apologising!

I've never known someone as manipulative, scheming, sly & calculating as him. He is like a cartoon villain, cackling & gleefully rubbing his hands together when he makes trouble.
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I agree with everything you said. Tim can't take it. He got defensive and yelled at Mik to "grow up", thus trying to make out that Mik didn't have a valid point and was being childish. He put her down and walked away and then expected her to apologise for pulling him up on his actions/behaviour. Why didn't he just sit down with her and discuss it? He is the one who continually wants to call HM's out on their behaviour. I'm really hoping he will turn on Boog one day, because I think she will tear strips off him and will be the only one capable of putting him in his place. Tim knows he has the upper hand and can twist things to cause chaos and confusion. He knows others can get emotional when confronting him. Boog is so similar to him in that regard that I bet she could give him a run for his money.
 
Hardyhaha said:
I agree with everything you said. Tim can't take it. He got defensive and yelled at Mik to "grow up", thus trying to make out that Mik didn't have a valid point and was being childish. He put her down and walked away and then expected her to apologise for pulling him up on his actions/behaviour. Why didn't he just sit down with her and discuss it? He is the one who continually wants to call HM's out on their behaviour. I'm really hoping he will turn on Boog one day, because I think she will tear strips off him and will be the only one capable of putting him in his place. Tim knows he has the upper hand and can twist things to cause chaos and confusion. He knows others can get emotional when confronting him. Boog is so similar to him in that regard that I bet she could give him a run for his money.
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Maybe because she didn't have a valid point and because he didn't care enough to sit down with her and talk to to her about it? Mikkayla basically tried to make it seem like it was Tim's fault she said something rude about Boog. No, you said it. If you didn't want anyone finding out about it you should've kept your mouth shut which was basically Tim's whole point "Don't make this about me because you didn't want Boog to find out what you said." He didn't sit down with her and talk about it because he clearly thought the whole thing was stupid and probably didn't think it was a big enough deal to do so to begin with and he really doesn't seem too interested in patching things up with her regardless. It seems like he takes it more as a joke than anything. I mean clearly it wasn't that serious to him to begin with, even when he first relayed what Mikkayla said about Boog he was laughing about it.
 
spygirl99 said:
Tim can dish it, and boy he REALLY dishes it good. But he can NOT take it, at all! He stirs the pot, backstabs, plants seeds & generally messes with people's minds & emotions. But if ANYONE, Mikkayla for example, dares to challenge or question him he doesn't like it one bit.

I especially love (hate) when he has upset someone but turns it around so that they are the villain. And the sheer audacity he has at demanding apologies from people when he is the one who should be apologising!

I've never known someone as manipulative, scheming, sly & calculating as him. He is like a cartoon villain, cackling & gleefully rubbing his hands together when he makes trouble.
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Agreed! When he's called out on things tries to turn the blame somewhere else. Mikk mentions how he falls in love with everybody ... Tim freak out. Mikk asks him why he did something ... deny, deny, blame drew, deny, blame drew again, turn it around on her that it's her fault for saying it, deny, finally admits it but gives a lie as to why he said it, turns it around on her again that it's her fault for saying it rather then answer why he said it. Then moves to the kitchen where he's all "Did you say it or not?"

Good grief! A simple "We all say stuff." or anything could have sufficed. But he can't take being called out on anything. Just misdirects the blame to somebody else then wants an appology.

Then later lies to Boog that he wouldnt be upset if she had just asked him alone. Which she did, and he's the one who went into a room of people to fight with her about it.
 
Autumn said:
Agreed! When he's called out on things tries to turn the blame somewhere else. Mikk mentions how he falls in love with everybody ... Tim freak out. Mikk asks him why he did something ... deny, deny, blame drew, deny, blame drew again, turn it around on her that it's her fault for saying it, deny, finally admits it but gives a lie as to why he said it, turns it around on her again that it's her fault for saying it rather then answer why he said it. Then moves to the kitchen where he's all "Did you say it or not?"

Good grief! A simple "We all say stuff." or anything could have sufficed. But he can't take being called out on anything. Just misdirects the blame to somebody else then wants an appology.

Then later lies to Boog that he wouldnt be upset if she had just asked him alone. Which she did, and he's the one who went into a room of people to fight with her about it.
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He's a sinister little weasel lol. And like you said he directs the blame to someone else. He is such a LIAR! He tries to get out of it (trouble) by deflecting, denying, and basically talking over the top of the other person. He exhausts his opponent by relentlessly talking, talking, talking. He won't shut-up & let the other person state their case. He's a bully.

That's why I loved it when Mikkayla stood strong against him. She didn't back down. Even though he lied & twisted the truth/story. He tried to smother her & shut her up with his words. And because she wouldn't back down he walked off, throwing a tanty and demanding an apology (what a bloody cheek lol).

He is so immature. I cannot believe he is almost 30.
 
How is he a liar? Just because he is good at wordplay and can actually get to the crux of the issue he is a liar? Mikkayla was ranting at him like a banshee - a few well placed questions and comments by Tim and she ramps it up even further when the funny thing is Boog's dislike of Mikk had ZERO to do with Tim and everything to do with Mikks shitty attitude towards Boog.

Tim had every right to twist it back onto Mikk because it was a total overreaction from her - also when she snapped and named the group - as Tim said that was really what she was chuking the shits about.
 
I'd be interested to know what he was talking about in the clip last night, about being 'caught in his own web'. He seemed very sincere in his admissions.

If I were a cynic, I'd be thinking he spent all that time alone for the past few days and he's realised that out of all that footage: Nathan questioning him in the spa, Ed having a crack, Mik losing her mind at him... He is smart enough to know some, if not all of that would be shown to the public and perhaps he needed to explain it all away. I hope he was being open and honest.
 
ichi said:
How is he a liar? Just because he is good at wordplay and can actually get to the crux of the issue he is a liar? Mikkayla was ranting at him like a banshee - a few well placed questions and comments by Tim and she ramps it up even further when the funny thing is Boog's dislike of Mikk had ZERO to do with Tim and everything to do with Mikks shitty attitude towards Boog.

Tim had every right to twist it back onto Mikk because it was a total overreaction from her - also when she snapped and named the group - as Tim said that was really what she was chuking the shits about.
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This sums it all up nicely to me. Mikk is just losing it a bit (understandable this long in there would get tough - plus she is being starved). Tims didn't treat it as that big a deal at start cause it really isn't a big deal. She went off on one out of proportion to her supposed issue (which was a complaint about things she does herself). She was making a mountain out of a molehill so Tim telling her to grow up was justified IMO. And the naming the group thing was a definite case of her true issue coming out under it all.

I don't hate Mikk. I have gone off her (and definitely think she is too bossy/controlling) but she seems a nice enough person in general. It's just that she has too many of her own faults to get that picky and angry about others. I think she also got worked up by conversations with Ed etc and needed an outlet so hearing Tim had told Boogs what she said just opened the gas valves
 
ichi said:
How is he a liar? Just because he is good at wordplay and can actually get to the crux of the issue he is a liar? Mikkayla was ranting at him like a banshee - a few well placed questions and comments by Tim and she ramps it up even further when the funny thing is Boog's dislike of Mikk had ZERO to do with Tim and everything to do with Mikks shitty attitude towards Boog.

Tim had every right to twist it back onto Mikk because it was a total overreaction from her - also when she snapped and named the group - as Tim said that was really what she was chuking the shits about.
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He's a liar because he lies. Pretending he didn't know what she was talking about. After her repeating it numerous times then he pretends to JADE that he doesn't know what she's talking about. When he said "Oh that?" although he already knew. THEN lied to Boog about how he wished Mikk had just asked him alone. Which she did.

Mikk ranted at him after he was continuing to act like it was Drew's fault and that he didn't do anything. She had to repeat "No, Tim. I'm talking about THIS ...." even though he already knew.
 
the whole deflecting responsibility for his actions with someone and then making out he is the victim is emotional abuse.
 
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