Housemate #5 TULLY!

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Lack of remorse.

Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

As I said continuum. She doesn't satisfy the DSMV for ASPD in my view. Unless someone comes forward and says s/he was raped by Tully. Sociopaths enjoy sexual torture. Sociopaths commit crime.

Having said that malignant narcissists commit crime too, for narcissitic gain like money/power over peers etc.

Like I said before, you don't know that she isn't remorseful. And she has never blamed anyone else for her cheating and I can't think of anything else she's done wrong, so I'm not sure what acts you're saying she blames on others. If she's on the sociopath spectrum then we all are.

 

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Like I said before, you don't know that she isn't remorseful. And she has never blamed anyone else for her cheating and I can't think of anything else she's done wrong, so I'm not sure what acts you're saying she blames on others. If she's on the sociopath spectrum then we all are.

I have so many examples but couldn't be arsed.

Believe what you want to believe...

But having been a victim I can sniffs these fucks out in a nanosecond. Her behaviour speaks volumes.

Interestingly, the one of the few times Ed was astute. Ed talked about narcissistic supply etc but in reference to Tim. I think Ed at some point has been a victim of an NPD. Most likely a family member. They're a pretty harsh family.

If you think she's Borderline (hard to say) she's on the spectrum.

 

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I have so many examples but couldn't be arsed.

Believe what you want to believe...

But having been a victim I can sniffs these fucks out in a nanosecond. Her behaviour speaks volumes.

Interestingly, the one of the few times Ed was astute. Ed talked about narcissistic supply etc but in reference to Tim. I think Ed at some point has been a victim of an NPD. Most likely a family member. They're a pretty harsh family.

If you think she's Borderline (hard to say) she's on the spectrum.

Ok fine, you too can believe what you want to believe, but I just want to remind you that we what we see is highly edited footage that can make some traits seem a lot more prominent that they really are. I wouldn't be surprised if she is ever diagnosed with borderline PD but it's also entirely possible that it's just the editing that portrays her that way.

Btw I think Ed was talking about narcissism after Tim had already brought up the fact that he thinks he's a narcissist.

 

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Ok fine, you too can believe what you want to believe, but I just want to remind you that we what we see is highly edited footage that can make some traits seem a lot more prominent that they really are. I wouldn't be surprised if she is ever diagnosed with borderline PD but it's also entirely possible that it's just the editing that portrays her that way.

Btw I think Ed was talking about narcissism after Tim had already brought up the fact that he thinks he's a narcissist.

Cool. My first instinct was Borderline. I've known a couple but am more of an expert on NPD... hence why I put her on the spectrum. I've never seen an NPD be jealous or bawl so much. Not sure where she lands. She did say on her twitter feed at one point something to the effect "First night alone. Sucks eh". As you know Borderlines hate to be alone.

Edit: BUT she didn't bawl/get hysterical when she left which is what all of us that thought she was Borderline was not expecting. That places her in NPD. That she used Borderline behaviours (bawling but no actual tears you might recall - her face was never wet) as they got the most effect...

Yup NPD but without the obvious grandiosity. She's gotta be a subtype.


Oh yes you're right about Tim. Someone with NPD would never admit to their narcissism btw. "Nothing wrong with me. I'm perfect. I'm a genius".

btw my mother is a malignant narcissist. Capable of crime and commits every few years - usually framing neighbours with crime or she commits untraceable fraud to improve her considerable wealth... Rich people are so under the radar, man. She's never done time. She just feigns psychosis and everyone buys it.

So I am a little unsure of peeps further down the spectrum.

 

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I have so many examples but couldn't be arsed.

Believe what you want to believe...

But having been a victim I can sniffs these fucks out in a nanosecond. Her behaviour speaks volumes.

Interestingly, the one of the few times Ed was astute. Ed talked about narcissistic supply etc but in reference to Tim. I think Ed at some point has been a victim of an NPD. Most likely a family member. They're a pretty harsh family.

If you think she's Borderline (hard to say) she's on the spectrum.

having been the victim of a sociopath twice in the past 5 years [first one was romantic, second was in the workplace] I, too can spot them a mile away. Tully certainly falls somewhere into the category and interestingly enough I say that because of her after-house behavior more than for what she did in there. cold, no remorse, still playing tahlia with the custody of the dog. scary people, the socios. I read Martha Stout's book and while the one-in-four ratio she claims seems high, I do think huge numbers of sociopaths live among us.

 

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having been the victim of a sociopath twice in the past 5 years [first one was romantic, second was in the workplace] I, too can spot them a mile away. Tully certainly falls somewhere into the category and interestingly enough I say that because of her after-house behavior more than for what she did in there. cold, no remorse, still playing tahlia with the custody of the dog. scary people, the socios. I read Martha Stout's book and while the one-in-four ratio she claims seems high, I do think huge numbers of sociopaths live among us.

So sorry to hear that but I would be amazed if she was that far on the spectrum.

Agreed it was her seamless exit and outside behaviour that made me falter on the Borderline hypothesis... but socios are recidivist crims typically and always always always are rapists.

It's pretty grim but I do know of a female sociopath. An ex's mother. She used to make her children have sex with each other. Rape plays a huge part in a socio's lifestyle.

Edit: I'm the queen of afterthoughts but you're SO RIGHT about poor Tahlia. I think Tully said "Tahlia will always be in my life". That's the narcissistic supply talking. You have to think of emotional manipulation for personal gain is sport for them. They feed off it. So having to see Tahlia every 3/4 days re: the dog gives her access to Tahlia's pain and will perpetuate it.

I think what's driving my Drade is the fear of Drully. She could really take that boy down. He's the softest target I've ever seen.

Sweetie, have a look at http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/narcissistic-personality-disorder.html --> I know it's my situation-specific but perhaps the pathological traits you recognised in your perps might have had NPD, that is if there was no criminal/sexual torture element to their behaviours.

Much love.

 

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having been the victim of a sociopath twice in the past 5 years [first one was romantic, second was in the workplace] I, too can spot them a mile away. Tully certainly falls somewhere into the category and interestingly enough I say that because of her after-house behavior more than for what she did in there. cold, no remorse, still playing tahlia with the custody of the dog. scary people, the socios. I read Martha Stout's book and while the one-in-four ratio she claims seems high, I do think huge numbers of sociopaths live among us.

But how could you know what she's like outside the house unless you know her in real life? She's been in a few interviews and the rest of what we know has come from tweets...

 

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So sorry to hear that but I would be amazed if she was that far on the spectrum.

Agreed it was her seamless exit and outside behaviour that made me falter on the Borderline hypothesis... but socios are recidivist crims typically and always always always are rapists.

It's pretty grim but I do know of a female sociopath. An ex's mother. She used to make her children have sex with each other. Rape plays a huge part in a socio's lifestyle.

Edit: I'm the queen of afterthoughts but you're SO RIGHT about poor Tahlia. I think Tully said "Tahlia will always be in my life". That's the narcissistic supply talking. You have to think of emotional manipulation for personal gain is sport for them. They feed off it. So having to see Tahlia every 3/4 days re: the dog gives her access to Tahlia's pain and will perpetuate it.

I think what's driving my Drade is the fear of Drully. She could really take that boy down. He's the softest target I've ever seen.

Sweetie, have a look at http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/narcissistic-personality-disorder.html --> I know it's my situation-specific but perhaps the pathological traits you recognised in your perps might have had NPD, that is if there was no criminal/sexual torture element to their behaviours.

Much love.

yipes, really? the rape part? really? I didn't realize that was a guaranteed part of the socio profile. my encounters were with remorseless, calculated and cunning females with most of the socio traits, but there was no violent aspect to the encounters. i'm no expert, but tully displays the enjoyment of manipulating her targets, gathering her throngs of admirers with charm, now torturing for sport tahlia via twitter and the dog... call it what one will, it's frightening behavior to me.

 

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But how could you know what she's like outside the house unless you know her in real life? She's been in a few interviews and the rest of what we know has come from tweets...

hi my spar partner i think i should always add the caveat that i don't know these people well enough to be certain about any of my assertions! but i don't like the fact that she is displaying no break-up sadness as a "normal" person would/offering no respect to tahlia's pain at all. she is back to the business of attracting love and adoration online as if nothing happened [ok, she doesnt have to share but still... her normal, jilted ex is behaving appropriately pained) and, knowing that tahlia wants the puppy and wants it and certainly deserves it, she is demanding half custody and snapping photos hugging it as soon as tahlia tweets how much she misses it! it's all so conscienceless on tully's part [in my humble opinion].

as i have said before, i am too passionless about the topic to say i am right - i could be way off base, but all totaled, this is what i think is going on with tully. for tahlia, drew and all her friends' and future friends' sake, i hope i am wrong.

 

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yipes, really? the rape part? really? I didn't realize that was a guaranteed part of the socio profile. my encounters were with remorseless, calculated and cunning females with most of the socio traits, but there was no violent aspect to the encounters. i'm no expert, but tully displays the enjoyment of manipulating her targets, gathering her throngs of admirers with charm, now torturing for sport tahlia via twitter and the dog... call it what one will, it's frightening behavior to me.

That's why it's a continuum. Your perps are probs NPD. It's similar but without the sexual and criminal aspect very unlikely. Socios are like crocodiles. They're dead inside y'know?

Have a look at the link I entered and see what you think.

 

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hi my spar partner i think i should always add the caveat that i don't know these people well enough to be certain about any of my assertions! but i don't like the fact that she is displaying no break-up sadness as a "normal" person would/offering no respect to tahlia's pain at all. she is back to the business of attracting love and adoration online as if nothing happened [ok, she doesnt have to share but still... her normal, jilted ex is behaving appropriately pained) and, knowing that tahlia wants the puppy and wants it and certainly deserves it, she is demanding half custody and snapping photos hugging it as soon as tahlia tweets how much she misses it! it's all so conscienceless on tully's part [in my humble opinion].

as i have said before, i am too passionless about the topic to say i am right - i could be way off base, but all totaled, this is what i think is going on with tully. for tahlia, drew and all her friends' and future friends' sake, i hope i am wrong.

That's right. When Tully is being adored/centre of attention no problem. NPDs can be great company, funny etc. They can be great friends... that is until you cross them, ignore them, take away their supply and you are well and truly fucked. I would be surprised if Tahlia ever saw that pooch again.

 

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hi my spar partner i think i should always add the caveat that i don't know these people well enough to be certain about any of my assertions! but i don't like the fact that she is displaying no break-up sadness as a "normal" person would/offering no respect to tahlia's pain at all. she is back to the business of attracting love and adoration online as if nothing happened [ok, she doesnt have to share but still... her normal, jilted ex is behaving appropriately pained) and, knowing that tahlia wants the puppy and wants it and certainly deserves it, she is demanding half custody and snapping photos hugging it as soon as tahlia tweets how much she misses it! it's all so conscienceless on tully's part [in my humble opinion].

as i have said before, i am too passionless about the topic to say i am right - i could be way off base, but all totaled, this is what i think is going on with tully. for tahlia, drew and all her friends' and future friends' sake, i hope i am wrong.

I'm totally fine with people judging her behaviour inside the house because that's the whole point of this forum, but now that she's gone, we really don't know anything. We can't judge her on just a couple of lines of text. Tully could be devastated or she could be ecstatic, or she could be both, and we would have no idea. We also don't know anything about the dog situation. Maybe it was Tahlia who came up with the idea of sharing her. Don't assume anything from a couple of tweets. They're usually meaningless.

 

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That's right. When Tully is being adored/centre of attention no problem. NPDs can be great company, funny etc. They can be great friends... that is until you cross them, ignore them, take away their supply and you are well and truly fucked. I would be surprised if Tahlia ever saw that pooch again.

see, i thought the intentional cat and mouse inflicting pain game was a sociopathic behavior - the intentional joy of making others suffer seems to be to be above and beyond narcissism. but again, i know little about the various diagnoses. the pooch thing makes me sad. i love dogs and that little luna is such a peach. ugh.

 

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see, i thought the intentional cat and mouse inflicting pain game was a sociopathic behavior - the intentional joy of making others suffer seems to be to be above and beyond narcissism. but again, i know little about the various diagnoses. the pooch thing makes me sad. i love dogs and that little luna is such a peach. ugh.

Not at all. Socios share traits with other PDs. Lack of remorse, gaslighting etc.

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I'm totally fine with people judging her behaviour inside the house because that's the whole point of this forum, but now that she's gone, we really don't know anything. We can't judge her on just a couple of lines of text. Tully could be devastated or she could be ecstatic, or she could be both, and we would have no idea. We also don't know anything about the dog situation. Maybe it was Tahlia who came up with the idea of sharing her. Don't assume anything from a couple of tweets. They're usually meaningless.

anyone who opens their life to public scrutiny by going on "reality" TV is going to be judged, including once the show is over. they know that going into it. and believe me, tully knows what people are saying - it is her line of work and the food for her ego to read what people are saying. bullying is bad, harassment is bad, but i don't think discussing the various players in the BB game in a non-threatening and intellectual way is bad. i am saying what impression her various on and off screen behaviors have left on me. had television never introduced me to her or her jilted lover, i would have no opinion of them at all. if the evictees and their significant others privated their various social media pages, i would have no insight and nothing to say. but they all want their various messages to be heard/admired/supported/adored. and for that reason, the discussion of them goes on long after BB is done, here and elsewhere.

 

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On the LF Mikk has recounted that Drew said he's moving to Sydney to be with Tully. Poor fuck. Hopefully she's moved on already.

 

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Not at all. Socios share traits with other PDs. Lack of remorse, gaslighting etc.

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thanks for that info! it will keep me from being quite so free with the designation.

 

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Most important thing to recognise that for whatever reason you were a target for these scourges of society (which they are - they're antisocial despite appearing to have the best social skills - O the irony). I'm very pleased to hear you can sniff them out now.

 

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anyone who opens their life to public scrutiny by going on "reality" TV is going to be judged, including once the show is over. they know that going into it. and believe me, tully knows what people are saying - it is her line of work and the food for her ego to read what people are saying. bullying is bad, harassment is bad, but i don't think discussing the various players in the BB game in a non-threatening and intellectual way is bad. i am saying what impression her various on and off screen behaviors have left on me. had television never introduced me to her or her jilted lover, i would have no opinion of them at all. if the evictees and their significant others privated their various social media pages, i would have no insight and nothing to say. but they all want their various messages to be heard/admired/supported/adored. and for that reason, the discussion of them goes on long after BB is done, here and elsewhere.

I should clarify, I didn't mean that it's wrong to judge HMs once they're out of the house. I just meant that now that Tully is off our screens, we don't have much access to her life anymore. It would be like you trying to work out what I'm like and what my life is like just from reading a few of my posts on this forum. You wouldn't be able to find out that much about me.

 

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Most important thing to recognise that for whatever reason you were a target for these scourges of society (which they are - they're antisocial despite appearing to have the best social skills - O the irony). I'm very pleased to hear you can sniff them out now.

This is a very interesting discussion. I am learning things here. No disrespect intended (at all) but could you explain how Tully used gaslighting? Is it when she would suggest to Drew that he was swearing at her, or yelling at her, or moody or throwing tantrums. Is that gaslighting? He then has to assess whether what she said was true?

Does gaslighting involve blaming the other person for actions/behaviors that you yourself do/perform, or is it more general than that?