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Housemate #5 TULLY!
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As I said above - go for it! Merely posing a question.
keke
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I think it is more useful to say that there are closed marriages. These are the marriages that are fragile and unstable. If you doubt this check the divorce statistics.
keke
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I'm talking about the marriage you have.but the marriages that you have proposed in you various previous posts and which are dysfunctional.
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annavm
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Of course we are going to talk about her! We can’t just forget a housemate once they leave the house (otherwise what’s the point of going on BB). We will see her at least one more time at the final and probably at Drew’s eviction as well. And if there is a new perspective on her overly discussed cheating and relationships, then why not
Miiiiike
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How many other couples do you know who are being filmed 24/7?
And then of that 24/7 footage, you only get to see what an editor allows you to see because he wants to show them in either a positive or negative light to sway voting for a TV show he makes money on.
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I don't think they did at all....:/
Drew is worse now than when he was with Tully, he bitches like a woman and creates conflict.
Tully wasn't any different with Drew then she was in general.
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Pristian
Are you serious? They were so cute and happy together! Their relationship might not work on the outside but to me it looked like it worked in the house. Obviously it wasn't perfect - they had lots of little fights - but do you know of any perfect relationship? Drully was 10x better than JadEd. At least Drew and Tully actually liked each other and could hang out without being awkward and stiff like Ed.
Also what [MENTION=34045]Miiiiike[/MENTION] said.
I love how people base how people act together in high stress situations.
What about those couples on the amazing race.... They actually appear like they're close to killing eachother haha...
I thought they were cute.
What about those couples on the amazing race.... They actually appear like they're close to killing eachother haha...
I thought they were cute.
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Pristian
I don't watch The Amazing Race, but like I said, Drully might not work on the outside but to me it looked like it worked in the house. We'll have to wait and see what happens when Drew is evicted.
dweebie
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I would be worried for them, especially if Drew was my son, why you ask.... Drew was talking to Jade Yesterday I think and there was video, the conversation was about Drew and Tully together when BB is over, Drew's last sentence was "I'll do as I'm told" in reference to whether Tully will want him when he gets out....exactly what he did in the house ie anything Tully told him to do, sometimes and most times to his detriment, I would hope my son is in a relationship where they both work together, make decisions together etc, not one dominating the other, the other being too spineless to stand up for themselves. Ultimately these kinds of relationships are doomed to failure sooner rather than later but I guess each to their own as they say...
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:pp
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Yes at times but everything was on Tully's terms. You didn't notice she gaslighted? She would actually revise reality and force Drew to apologise for her bad deeds. She exhibits pathological behaviour I'm afraid friends. I'm not saying that to be mean. My mother is on the sociopath spectrum. Tully is too.
Notice how well she interviewed after she left? No remorse kids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
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Pristian
You don't know that Tully is sociopathic.
Profile of the Sociopath
"This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily."
Most of this doesn't apply to Tully. And it's a bit presumptuous of you to say that she has no remorse. You can't know that just based on an interview.
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She's on the SPECTRUM. So no, she's not a sociopath in my view.
I don't ascribe to the DSMV delineation of the pathological personality disorders.
Think of it as a continuum.
What I mean is that we have sociopath or psychopath (DSMV classification is Anti-social Personality Disorder) way over to the right and we have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder at different points to the left.
For instance, you have a Malignant Narcissist. Those types are dictators. They're not full blown sociopaths but they are closer to a sociopath than a, relatively speaking, garden variety NPD. Hitler, for example, was a malignant narcissist.
So she's on the spectrum. She would need to get properly diagnosed but she's either Borderline or Narcissist PD. I'm erring to Narcissist PD.
Anyone who Gaslights is on the spectrum.
Peeps on the spectrum have attributes alot of people aspire to. They can do very well in business. They have control. They have power.
They're teflon, just like Tully. Her twitter followers count is rising daily. She will, more likely than any of the others, be a star. She has a personality type, a ruthlessness, that appeals to networks.
People on the spectrum tend to succeed in life, which is why it's not such a bad thing to have a sociopath in your sales team
I don't ascribe to the DSMV delineation of the pathological personality disorders.
Think of it as a continuum.
What I mean is that we have sociopath or psychopath (DSMV classification is Anti-social Personality Disorder) way over to the right and we have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder at different points to the left.
For instance, you have a Malignant Narcissist. Those types are dictators. They're not full blown sociopaths but they are closer to a sociopath than a, relatively speaking, garden variety NPD. Hitler, for example, was a malignant narcissist.
So she's on the spectrum. She would need to get properly diagnosed but she's either Borderline or Narcissist PD. I'm erring to Narcissist PD.
Anyone who Gaslights is on the spectrum.
Peeps on the spectrum have attributes alot of people aspire to. They can do very well in business. They have control. They have power.
They're teflon, just like Tully. Her twitter followers count is rising daily. She will, more likely than any of the others, be a star. She has a personality type, a ruthlessness, that appeals to networks.
People on the spectrum tend to succeed in life, which is why it's not such a bad thing to have a sociopath in your sales team
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Pristian
She's on the SPECTRUM. So no, she's not a sociopath in my view.
I don't ascribe to the DSMV delineation of the pathological personality disorders.
Think of it as a continuum.
What I mean is that we have sociopath or psychopath (DSMV classification is Anti-social Personality Disorder) way over to the right and we have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder at different points to the left.
For instance, you have a Malignant Narcissist. Those types are dictators. They're not full blown sociopaths but they are closer to a sociopath than a, relatively speaking, garden variety NPD. Hitler, for example, was a malignant narcissist.
So she's on the spectrum. She would need to get properly diagnosed but she's either Borderline or Narcissist PD. I'm erring to Narcissist PD.
Anyone who Gaslights is on the spectrum.
Peeps on the spectrum have attributes alot of people aspire to. They can do very well in business. They have control. They have power.
They're teflon, just like Tully. Her twitter followers count is rising daily. She will, more likely than any of the others, be a star. She has a personality type, a ruthlessness, that appeals to networks.
People on the spectrum tend to succeed in life, which is why it's not such a bad thing to have a sociopath in your sales team
So you think she's on the sociopathic spectrum just because she gaslights? Because of the editing, we probably saw the worst of her personality, so things like gaslighting might have only happened very occasionally but it just looks like she did it frequently.
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:pp
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Yes I do. Very much so. The gaslighting isn't learned behaviour. That's her pathology. Lack of remorse puts her on the spectrum too.
Remember she said to the press she might text her gf sometime during the day when she got a chance. Text her gf? of two years after cheating on television? NOoooooooo remorse.
What is interesting about her gaslighting is how deftly she won over alot of the BB audience.
That's what I found fascinating. Vilified when she was doing it but once she was out, her absolutely faultless interviews turned everyone around.
Gaslighting on a grand scale is propaganda and she is a master propagandist.
She's going to do great in life. It's just that there'll be alot casualties.
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LifeBeyondTheLens
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No....just no.
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:pp
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Lack of remorse.
Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
As I said continuum. She doesn't satisfy the DSMV for ASPD in my view. Unless someone comes forward and says s/he was raped by Tully. Sociopaths enjoy sexual torture. Sociopaths commit crime.
Having said that malignant narcissists commit crime too, for narcissitic gain like money/power over peers etc.
Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
As I said continuum. She doesn't satisfy the DSMV for ASPD in my view. Unless someone comes forward and says s/he was raped by Tully. Sociopaths enjoy sexual torture. Sociopaths commit crime.
Having said that malignant narcissists commit crime too, for narcissitic gain like money/power over peers etc.
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Tim on the other hand is an entry level narcissist but in NO WAY is he pathological. He's just got his eye on the prize and is highly intelligent. He has remorse for using strategy with people's feelings and motivations. He never gaslights though.
Some consider entry level narcissists on the spectrum too but in my view they are merely TRAITS not pathologies.
I have obsessive traits but do not have OCD, for example.
Some consider entry level narcissists on the spectrum too but in my view they are merely TRAITS not pathologies.
I have obsessive traits but do not have OCD, for example.
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