Housemate #5 TULLY!

[Punky Brewster]

I am guessing that Tully's mate didn't hear from 9 that Tully is coming home this Monday, because, surely, she could put in another few days if they knew she was coming out this week. I can only think that the suars are going home, because it is only indifference that is getting people sent home. Hate doesn't send you home yet. Not with vote to save.

So, I guess the arbitrary point was of no return, and Tully just crossed it - and that 9 don't think Tully will be going home this week.

Good point!

 

[Nyx]

[MENTION=34897]teamtully[/MENTION], I think it's really noble for you to stand by your friend especially since no one on the outside knows the full story. However, I totally understand why you would quit running the support twitter. If Tully has acted in a way that you as one of her closest friends do not recognize, then obviously the Big Brother house is not the best place for her. I think it would be silly to support something that has been so damaging.

Thanks for sharing. All the best to you, Tahlia and everyone who has been affected adversely by the show.

 

[Consuela]

Fingers crossed for Monday!

 

[Yumq]

[MENTION=34897]teamtully[/MENTION] that was a very well-written post. I applaud you for supporting your friend without defending certain behaviours, and I know that she's lucky to have you there when she gets out. I'm sorry that you have to bear the brunt of cruel and hateful personal comments for which you are completely not responsible. All the best to you.

I'm not so sure. For a post that supposedly supports Tully there seems to be more than a few 'buts' there.

You know, it's a all a bit, 'I love Tully but I disapprove of this, this and oh don't forget this...' There's the implied disapproval over Tully cheating, which, if you're a friend 'offering support' should be irrelevant, especially on a public forum. Also, the comment about a friend "publicly embarrassing herself", which, again, regardless if it's true or not, is not the sort of thing a friend should come out with on a public forum, not if they're trying to support you.

I think a real friend would keep this sort of thing for a private discussion at an appropriate time, not this very public, half-hearted offering of love and support interspersed with barely disguised disapproval. A real friend would support unconditionally, at least in public.

For me, the quote about BB being a children's show is not what a friend would do. The implication that something very adult happened only stirs up more gossip and rumour. It may be true, but why the hell would a "supportive friend" stir that pot? How does that support Tully?

Sorry, I think the whole post is judgemental, self-indulgent nonsense. Regardless of what we viewers would think of Tully's behaviour; with friends like that, bloody hell.

 

[crimmy]

It seems that maybe something else has happened in the house with Tully that the producers have warned friends/family about? As her official twitter fan account run by a friend just posted this:

@TullysmythBB: Due to forthcoming events that may or may not be aired in the up and coming days, I can no longer run and support this page. #BBAU x

that event could just be that they are assuming since there are only 3 up for eviction and Tully has been so unpopular that Tully is on her way out next week - and they are not wanting to have to deal with all the haters posting on the page etc

 

[Felicianah]

I wonder if it would be better for both Tully and Tahlia to face the fire, and to have the scene on national TV. To see Tully's heart break on TV would be ... emotional, for viewers. But to stop the obsession, if Tahlia were there, and she politely, firmly, told Tully No, it might cap the story, and let them get back to their lives.

Not sure if this is a wish to see a spectacle, or if it could really shock everyone, Tully and Tahlia and public, into closure, and let them get on with their lives.

now that would be a major car crash moment I'd love to watch, but it will never happen

 

[Insomniac]

I'm not so sure. For a post that supposedly supports Tully there seems to be more than a few 'buts' there.

You know, it's a all a bit, 'I love Tully but I disapprove of this, this and oh don't forget this...' There's the implied disapproval over Tully cheating, which, if you're a friend 'offering support' should be irrelevant, especially on a public forum. Also, the comment about a friend "publicly embarrassing herself", which, again, regardless if it's true or not, is not the sort of thing a friend should come out with on a public forum, not if they're trying to support you.

I think a real friend would keep this sort of thing for a private discussion at an appropriate time, not this very public, half-hearted offering of love and support interspersed with barely disguised disapproval. A real friend would support unconditionally, at least in public.

For me, the quote about BB being a children's show is not what a friend would do. The implication that something very adult happened only stirs up more gossip and rumour. It may be true, but why the hell would a "supportive friend" stir that pot? How does that support Tully?

Sorry, I think the whole post is judgemental, self-indulgent nonsense. Regardless of what we viewers would think of Tully's behaviour; with friends like that, bloody hell.

A friend will be there for you no matter what, they don't have to agree with everything you do or say. That kind of person isn't actually a friend at all, they're a sycophant. So I'll agree to disagree with your assessment.

 

[Felicianah]

I'm not so sure. For a post that supposedly supports Tully there seems to be more than a few 'buts' there.

You know, it's a all a bit, 'I love Tully but I disapprove of this, this and oh don't forget this...' There's the implied disapproval over Tully cheating, which, if you're a friend 'offering support' should be irrelevant, especially on a public forum. Also, the comment about a friend "publicly embarrassing herself", which, again, regardless if it's true or not, is not the sort of thing a friend should come out with on a public forum, not if they're trying to support you.

I think a real friend would keep this sort of thing for a private discussion at an appropriate time, not this very public, half-hearted offering of love and support interspersed with barely disguised disapproval. A real friend would support unconditionally, at least in public.

For me, the quote about BB being a children's show is not what a friend would do. The implication that something very adult happened only stirs up more gossip and rumour. It may be true, but why the hell would a "supportive friend" stir that pot? How does that support Tully?

Sorry, I think the whole post is judgemental, self-indulgent nonsense. Regardless of what we viewers would think of Tully's behaviour; with friends like that, bloody hell.

Sorry, but I feel like this is a bit of a high school response. In what I believe to be healthy, adult relationships, people do not need to defend every action taken by their friends despite completely disagreeing with them. Its ok to voice disapproval and disappointment; it doesn't mean you aren't friends, it just means you're being real. And to be honest, someone needs to be real with Tully or she will carry on thinking her behaviour is perfectly acceptable!

 

[Evilroyslade]

Fingers crossed for Monday!

I'll be dressed in preparation.

 

[Yumq]

A friend will be there for you no matter what, they don't have to agree with everything you do or say. That kind of person isn't actually a friend at all, they're a sycophant. So I'll agree to disagree with your assessment.

Well you'll notice that several times I made the distinction between public and private. If a friend offered you public support and then expressed their concerns in private, how would that be sycophantic? It wouldn't.

 

[chads]

I wonder if it would be better for both Tully and Tahlia to face the fire, and to have the scene on national TV. To see Tully's heart break on TV would be ... emotional, for viewers. But to stop the obsession, if Tahlia were there, and she politely, firmly, told Tully No, it might cap the story, and let them get back to their lives.

Not sure if this is a wish to see a spectacle, or if it could really shock everyone, Tully and Tahlia and public, into closure, and let them get on with their lives.

I would not give a cheater that pleasure. All that would do is the cheater would feel justified and they would move all the responsibility of ending the relationship to the other party.

 

[Nyx]

I'm not so sure. For a post that supposedly supports Tully there seems to be more than a few 'buts' there.

You know, it's a all a bit, 'I love Tully but I disapprove of this, this and oh don't forget this...' There's the implied disapproval over Tully cheating, which, if you're a friend 'offering support' should be irrelevant, especially on a public forum. Also, the comment about a friend "publicly embarrassing herself", which, again, regardless if it's true or not, is not the sort of thing a friend should come out with on a public forum, not if they're trying to support you.

I think a real friend would keep this sort of thing for a private discussion at an appropriate time, not this very public, half-hearted offering of love and support interspersed with barely disguised disapproval. A real friend would support unconditionally, at least in public.

For me, the quote about BB being a children's show is not what a friend would do. The implication that something very adult happened only stirs up more gossip and rumour. It may be true, but why the hell would a "supportive friend" stir that pot? How does that support Tully?

Sorry, I think the whole post is judgemental, self-indulgent nonsense. Regardless of what we viewers would think of Tully's behaviour; with friends like that, bloody hell.

I disagree with practically all of this. Real friends are going to be open, honest and tell you what they really think. They will not lie, conceal, disguise or excuse actions of someone they consider to be in the wrong. In fact, a true friend calls you on your shit, then helps you through it. I appreciate teamtully's honesty. She has an opinion. She is entitled to it and she isn't afraid to share it. From what I've seen, Tully could do with more friends like that in her life.

 

[Yumq]

Its ok to voice disapproval and disappointment; it doesn't mean you aren't friends, it just means you're being real. And to be honest, someone needs to be real with Tully or she will carry on thinking her behaviour is perfectly acceptable!

How voicing disapproval and disappointment here, now, on this fan forum going to 'be real with Tully'? How would that help her? Tully's not aware what's being said in the outside world, is she?

Public criticism, even if it is merited, doesn't serve or help Tully in any way. All it does is feed us more juicy gossip.

 

[Jo-bot]

how is it equally the fault of bb producers? it is tully and drew that are at fault...

It is good that her friends will still be there for her, that's what's friends are for, and i seriously hope they deter her from going online to look at what we are all writing. I think that is the same for all housemates and anyone in the public eye, just don't do it, even the most perfect of "celebrity" have negative opinions written about them on the internet...it would do anyones head in.

As for what people say online of course we all have an opinion, that's what the show is about, judging the contestants and their behaviour and voting either way...as for people who make contact with loved ones when they don't know them and dish out insults etc that is just odd imo but that's the beauty (not) or crap like twitter. But chatting on the internet about what is going on and bitching about what we see is normal and expected and the nature of this bb game and the reason they are there.

Anyone who makes threats or directs hatred to the person directly or through their loved ones is obviously a few stubbies short of a six pack already. Most of us know that when these people leave the house their lives are no longer up for grabs or judgement... but while they are in there i will continue to complain, bitch, change my mind, laugh, commiserate etc etc... or what's the point of the show.

 

[chads]

How voicing disapproval and disappointment here, now, on this fan forum going to 'be real with Tully'? How would that help her? Tully's not aware what's being said in the outside world, is she?

Public criticism, even if it is merited, doesn't serve or help Tully in any way. All it does is feed us more juicy gossip.

Why do you think she needs to be helped now when she's still in the BB house? The friend clearly made a point that she loves Tully but can't support the behavior Tully is currently practicing on the show.

 

[Nyx]

how is it equally the fault of bb producers? it is tully and drew that are at fault...

I know your question wasn't posed to me, but from my very narrow slanted scope, Tully has some issues that maybe could have been better vetted during a psychological evaluation. It's up to the showrunners how thorough the evaluation process is. I don't necessarily hold them at fault but I can understand an argument being made from that perspective.

 

[Jo-bot]

I know your question wasn't posed to me, but from my very narrow slanted scope, Tully has some issues that maybe could have been better vetted during a psychological evaluation. It's up to the showrunners how thorough the evaluation process is. I don't necessarily hold them at fault but I can understand an argument being made from that perspective.

i understand what you are trying to say but i could go to a shrink and convince them i don't have issues if i just say the right words. If those closest to her didn't see it before she came into the house then how can any producer know... everyone has issues, mikkayla is having body image issues in there, not the producers fault though, jade likes to lay on people and meow, not the producers fault.

 

[chads]

In many countries especially in the US an employer can be at fault in front of law if they allow or enable a workplace affair that results a divorce for example. As far as I can see, Big Brother is Tully's employer. They are also at fault if they know their work environment will worsen the worker's mental health for example. I've read of many cases where the employer has made a deal and paid six number figures in dollars to avoid negative publicity.

How are people even questioning this?

 

[Nyx]

i understand what you are trying to say but i could go to a shrink and convince them i don't have issues if i just say the right words. If those closest to her didn't see it before she came into the house then how can any producer know... everyone has issues, mikkayla is having body image issues in there, not the producers fault though, jade likes to lay on people and meow, not the producers fault.

I'm with you. I agree that it isn't the producers fault. There's a standard test. Potential housemates pass or fail. If they do, they've voluntarily made a commitment to the show and should be held fully accountable for their actions from that point forward. However, there is the issue of ethical responsibility and the semblance of exploitation. Again, I don't agree but the argument could be competently made.

 

[l.a.r.a]

In many countries especially in the US an employer can be at fault in front of law if they allow or enable a workplace affair that results a divorce for example. As far as I can see, Big Brother is Tully's employer. They are also at fault if they know their work environment will worsen the worker's mental health for example. I've read of many cases where the employer has made a deal and paid six number figures in dollars to avoid negative publicity.

How are people even questioning this?

Same in France. Secret Story HMs are being paid a wage like in Australia. They also can only be filmed 8 hours a day. Sometimes when someone wants to leave the house, the production pay them a large amount of money to stay, if they need the HM to stay for the show.