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In Defense of Tully

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Even if you ignore how she made it all about herself (again), isn't that just normal human reaction? You notice your roommate crying, you'd ask them what's wrong. The HMs all hug and console each other all the time. Big fucking deal. Funny how when the other HMs do it, it's expected behavior, but when she does it, ooh ooh look Tully is so empathetic and emotionally supportive. You guys are so desperate.
 
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claire_michell said:
Yep - but the fact she did - means she was being true to herself (she's a young person) still finding herself - and it is a game with a big prize - so shows charcter
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I personally think it more showed how angry and controlling she becomes when Drew shows a part of his personality that she doesn't like (the inconsiderate, immature male). Although I don't even think that Drew was making fun of Jade, I would usually applaud someone for speaking out against someone who was being inconsiderate while someone was upset. However when we've seen her constantly bag every single thing Drew does, it kind of goes from "Good on Tully for pointing how he was being inconsiderate" to "oh here she goes trying to control and change him again".
 
Gemini said:
I personally think it more showed how angry and controlling she becomes when Drew shows a part of his personality that she doesn't like (the inconsiderate, immature male). Although I don't even think that Drew was making fun of Jade, I would usually applaud someone for speaking out against someone who was being inconsiderate while someone was upset. However when we've seen her constantly bag every single thing Drew does, it kind of goes from "Good on Tully for pointing how he was being inconsiderate" to "oh here she goes trying to control and change him again".
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Yes there's that too - she obviously cares how he is perceived as a person - and I think she cares about being herself -
 
meathead said:
Even if you ignore how she made it all about herself (again), isn't that just normal human reaction? You notice your roommate crying, you'd ask them what's wrong. The HMs all hug and console each other all the time. Big fucking deal. Funny how when the other HMs do it, it's expected behavior, but when she does it, ooh ooh look Tully is so empathetic and emotionally supportive. You guys are so desperate.
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I see your point - I still believe she cares a lot about Drew - his behaviour at that time was remarkably childish and he was letting himself down
 
I think another part of the trouble was that he was laughing with Tahan, which Tully will not brook, so some of her righteous anger was masking her being possessive as usual.
 
Drade 2013 said:
She made it all about her, that's why the boys were pretty much rolling their eyes at each other.
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She was the first to run up to Jade when Ed put her up - the other housemates were too embaressed to move - not so Tully - she rushed up and didn't care what Drew or the others thought
 
Gemini said:
No she wasn't. That was Mikkalya.
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Will check - I see her comforting Jade before the other housemates - and being sincere - i was watching the show - agonisingly embaressing - also Tully was crying -
 
claire_michell said:
Perhaps Tully's empathetic quality - makes it easier for the other housemates- she's the emotional barometer- of the house -
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I just rewatched the video where Matt is calmly telling her that she only seems to be happy if everything is going her way. 0.18 seconds.

0.26 She takes a second to repeat the question and concoct an answer. She responds by saying 'Of course I am happier when things go my way. Who wouldn't be?'

Is this a willful misunderstanding of the subtlety of Matt's argument and an attempt to deflect the criticism, or did she genuinely not understand his point, that she needs to take 2 teaspoons of cement in a glass of water and harden the hell up? If the second, then she was just out thought, and out emotional intelligenced by Matt. Matt. The way she always uses this tactic with Drew suggests it is a deliberate tactic to derail the conversation and avoid facing the point the other is making.

It works for a second. Matt is drawn away from the thread of his argument and says the basically meaningless thing about how the way people behave when they are happy shows who they really are. Then, though, 0.41, he draws the conversation back to his original point, which is the thing he is trying to tell her, which he has wanted to tell her for weeks and has discussed endlessly with Caleb etc, that she could be a more positive person, and might be better for it.

He deflects her next justification with a 'Whatever.' 0.47. He wants to says she should be less negative, regardless of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Don't take the time to bleed form these shots of fate. Her attempted deflection is to say that she has been depressed for two weeks because of nominations. Matt knows this is not the reason, it is because her habitual response to anything that is not exactly as she would want it is to be negative. He has been formulating this theory over weeks of close proximity. He finishes by saying that as soon as she gets her way she is positive and happy.

0.52. She either pretends to misunderstand, or actually does not understand the subtle, but real, distinction between what Matt is saying and what she chooses to say. 'You respond negatively unless everything is exactly as you want it.' 'Everyone is happier when things go there own way.' Deflection, or misunderstanding, she either is trying to avoid speaking about the emotional topic Matt has raised, or she lacks the emotional intelligence to grasp Matt's thoughts. Matt's thoughts are above her head, or she chooses to avoid his politely spoken advice, feigning misunderstanding.

0.56. Matt wisely ignores her attempt again, and continues with his attempt to help her, talking about how she responds when people try to help her, that she shoves it back in their faces. 1.03. She denies it, says he is not fair, and asks for an example. He ignores the slight insult - you are not fair to me, Matthew - and gives her a recent example 1.12. She tries to deflect the example by giving her interpretation of everyone's behaviour, painting herself as the victim of everyone else. Matt points out she has no evidence, 'No one has ever said that.'

1.26 Tully is speechless, so Matt reiterates, No one has ever said that. He is trying to lead her to the realization that it is her negative interpretation of others that is making her upset, not the other people's actual behaviour or intentions.

They fuddle for a second, as Tully says she feels she cannot help being upset 1.35, before Matt says that this is in her head 1.40, it is not the case, it is what she is thinking of them, not the truth. Then Tully tries to take control. 'Can't you see how it would make me feel...' Tully brings the conversation to the way she feels. She wants Matt to think about her, to empathize with her, to see it as she does. He refuses, because she has no good reason to feel that way, only her own negative fabrications, to which he will give no credence.

Tully then tries to deflect, I have no idea why you are saying that. (To me watching, I think he is either saying it because he is sick of having to live with someone inventing dramas to be sad, or because he wants to help his friend be happy, and he has noticed that positivity has helped him get through things, and clearly Tully has a hard time getting through things, so he is trying to help her. But he probably just wants her ot stop blubbing all the time when things are not exactly as she would desire. )

1.50. They retread the old path. She tries her deflection about everyone being happier when they get their own way, I am the sane one, the one like everyone else, and she completely ignores his point, so he restates it, You are miserable. She asks 'So you think I was miserable all last week/" He just says yeah, pretty much.

She defends herself, giving specific examples of why she would be miserable 2.05 - because she was enduring the same stress that everyone else in the house is enduring, ie the uncertainty of nomination.

They ramble for a bit, then he brings it back to what he wanted to say 2.31 : When things do not go your own way you should try to be positive. She wants to point out to him how much she has changed 2.35, how she is no longer miserable all the time. I watch as much of this show as I can find on youtube, and she rarely seems happy to me. Or to Matt 2.48, who shares a bedroom with her.

She turns this into an attack. She doesn't discuss or think about what he said, she attacks him, points out something he did wrong - 'why has it taken you so long to bring this up with me?' 2.50. He doesn't say it, but the reactionary defensiveness she is displaying now could be the reason. Or, it is because he just didn't care enough because he actually does not like her. He gives a possibly honest, possibly tactful answer 2.52 - because he just realized it.

She begins to explain that she cannot just shake off negative emotions. 2.54. OK, fair enough, I have a melancholy temperament myself, and hated being told to cheer up when I was a teen. But then, she takes the opportunity to insult a housemate while providing an example, showing no great empathy for Mikayla, only ridicule.

She almost admits that maybe she could work on positivity BUT ( and everything before a but is bulldust in the mind of a speaker ) it is all because she is so genuine, so much more genuine than others.

Matt's look says 'I tried. Finished with you.'
 
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It was pretty ridiculous behaviour from Drew - also Matt has a girlfriend - in answer to Tully and Matts original friendship - also they wouldn't have much in common - Matt could win BB
 
Winterbourne said:
I just rewatched the video where Matt is calmly telling her that she only seems to be happy if everything is going her way. 0.18 seconds.

0.26 She takes a second to repeat the question and concoct an answer. She responds by saying 'Of course I am happier when things go my way. Who wouldn't be?'

Is this a willful misunderstanding of the subtlety of Matt's argument and an attempt to deflect the criticism, or did she genuinely not understand his point, that she needs to take 2 teaspoons of cement in a glass of water and harden the hell up? If the second, then she was just out thought, and out emotional intelligenced by Matt. Matt. The way she always uses this tactic with Drew suggests it is a deliberate tactic to derail the conversation and avoid facing the point the other is making.

It works for a second. Matt is drawn away from the thread of his argument and says the basically meaningless thing about how the way people behave when they are happy shows who they really are. Then, though, 0.41, he draws the conversation back to his original point, which is the thing he is trying to tell her, which he has wanted to tell her for weeks and has discussed endlessly with Caleb etc, that she could be a more positive person, and might be better for it.

He deflects her next justification with a 'Whatever.' 0.47. He wants to says she should be less negative, regardless of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Don't take the time to bleed form these shots of fate. Her attempted deflection is to say that she has been depressed for two weeks because of nominations. Matt knows this is not the reason, it is because her habitual response to anything that is not exactly as she would want it is to be negative. He has been formulating this theory over weeks of close proximity. He finishes by saying that as soon as she gets her way she is positive and happy.

0.52. She either pretends to misunderstand, or actually does not understand the subtle, but real, distinction between what Matt is saying and what she chooses to say. 'You respond negatively unless everything is exactly as you want it.' 'Everyone is happier when things go there own way.' Deflection, or misunderstanding, she either is trying to avoid speaking about the emotional topic Matt has raised, or she lacks the emotional intelligence to grasp Matt's thoughts. Matt's thoughts are above her head, or she chooses to avoid his politely spoken advice, feigning misunderstanding.

0.56. Matt wisely ignores her attempt again, and continues with his attempt to help her, talking about how she responds when people try to help her, that she shoves it back in their faces. 1.03. She denies it, says he is not fair, and asks for an example. He ignores the slight insult - you are not fair to me, Matthew - and gives her a recent example 1.12. She tries to deflect the example by giving her interpretation of everyone's behaviour, painting herself as the victim of everyone else. Matt points out she has no evidence, 'No one has ever said that.'

1.26 Tully is speechless, so Matt reiterates, No one has ever said that. He is trying to lead her to the realization that it is her negative interpretation of others that is making her upset, not the other people's actual behaviour or intentions.

They fuddle for a second, as Tully says she feels she cannot be upset 1.35, before Matt says that this is in her head 1.40, it is not the case, it is what she is thinking of them, not the truth. Then Tully tries to take control. 'Can't you see how it would make me feel...' Tully brings the conversation to the way she feels. She wants Matt to think about her, to empathize with her, to see it as she does. He refuses, because she has no good reason to feel that way, only her own negative fabrications, to which he will give no credence.

Tully then tries to deflect, I have no idea why you are saying that. (To me watching, I think he is either saying it because he is sick of having to live with someone inventing dramas to be sad, or because he wants to help his friend be happy, and he has noticed that positivity has helped him get through things, and clearly Tully has a hard time getting through things, so he is trying to help her. But he probably just wants her ot stop blubbing all the time when things are not exactly as she would desire. )

1.50. They retread the old path. She tries her deflection about everyone being happier when they get their own way, I am the sane one, the one like everyone else, and she completely ignores his point, so he restates it, You are miserable. She asks 'So you think I was miserable all last week/" He just says yeah, pretty much.

She defends herself, giving specific examples of why she would be miserable 2.05 - because she was enduring the same stress that everyone else in the house is enduring, ie the uncertainty of nomination.

They ramble for a bit, then he brings it back to what he wanted to say 2.31 : When things do not go your own way you should try to be positive. She wants to point out to him how much she has changed 2.35, how she is no longer miserable all the time. I watch as much of this show as I can find on youtube, and she rarely seems happy to me. Or to Matt 2.48, who shares a bedroom with her.

She turns this into an attack. She doesn't discuss or think about what he said, she attacks him, points out something he did wrong - 'why has it taken you so long to bring this up with me?' 2.50. He doesn't say it, but the reactionary defensiveness she is displaying now could be the reason. Or, it is because he just didn't care enough because he actually does not like her. He gives a possibly honest, possibly tactful answer 2.52 - because he just realized it.

She begins to explain that she cannot just shake off negative emotions. 2.54. OK, fair enough, I have a melancholy temperament myself, and hated being told to cheer up when I was a teen. But then, she takes the opportunity to insult a housemate while providing an example, showing no great empathy for Mikayla, only ridicule.

She almost admits that maybe she could work on positivity BUT ( and everything before a but is bulldust in the mind of a speaker ) it is all because she is so genuine, so much more genuine than others.

Matt's look says 'I tried. Finished with you.'
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Yes - having said that Mikkayla makes it pretty clear who she likes and who she dislikes - and Tully is one she's not overly keen on - just a thought do u think Mikkayla and Tim and the others want to break Tully and Drew up because they are so strong as a team?
 
How many Tully threads do we have now? OMG she takes up time on the TV show and the live feed videos, now we have like multiple Tully threads. I can't wait till she is evicted but BBB will still be talking about her.
 
Tim needs Tully. She, far from making Drew strong, was the achilles' heel he was searching for that would allow him to beat Drew, just as Ed's cowardice sunk him, Drew's tendency towards infatuation sunk him.

Tim wants her gone because she is an opponent and apsycho. While she is there she is the weapon that will destroy one of his rivals, Drew.

All he needs now is the weapon to take out the one he perceives to be his greatest threat, Ben.
 
Winterbourne said:
Tim needs Tully. She, far from making Drew strong, was the achilles' heel he was searching for that would allow him to beat Drew
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This I find true and very sad.

In defence of Tully, she is good at what she does: manipulation and hystrionics and emotional blackmail and zero accountability. Seeing my mother reincarnated as a Newtown hipster is quite a trip.
 
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Melore said:
This I find true and very sad.

In defence of Tully, she is good at what she does: manipulation and hystrionics and emotional blackmail and zero accountability. Seeing my mother reincarnated as a Newtown hipster is quite a trip.
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Haha - yes - i still like her emotional support - and her empathy - evolved or unevolved
 
Inigo Montoya said:
How many Tully threads do we have now? OMG she takes up time on the TV show and the live feed videos, now we have like multiple Tully threads. I can't wait till she is evicted but BBB will still be talking about her.
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absolutely! and the beginning of Confidential, said the MOST talked about housemate??? I guess that is the polite way to put it(since 99% of the talk is Anti- HM THAT WHINES CONSTANTLY) Seriously the TTs should not go to FB, cause their little world will explode!
BB is cleaning up her mess and it is particularly misguided of them at this point.

Tim +350 (+)
Mikkayla +253
Jade +122 (-)
Katie/Lucy +66
Tahan +52
Ben +11
Ed -76 (+)
Drew -90
Matt -120
Tully -339 (-)
 
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