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The hate for Tully is disturbing

candysugars said:
So, you're saying that it's OK to boo someone only when "they do something that really matters"?
Who gets to decide "what really matters"?
I'm just curious.
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If there was a politician (I'm not saying Tony Abbott; just a hypothetical politician) who has terrible policies and lots of people are very upset and angry at him because he has made their lives harder in some way, booing him would probably be justified just because of how much he has negatively affected their lives. But the most that Tully can do or has done is change the way we perceive a reality tv show that we can easily just stop watching if it's that bad.
 
BBfan- said:
Yes, I'd consider all those situations to be bullying. It's a little different when it's a politician because the future of our country is somewhat in their hands and what they do really matters, but what Tully does barely affects any of us, so booing her and saying horrible things about her is completely unnecessary and doesn't accomplish anything other than potentially making her feel like shit.
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Actually, it shows that people band together and stand behind people who are mistreated. The crowd will be booing for various reasons. The fact she cheated, the fact she victimised people in the house and acted like a bully, the fact she throws tantrums to get her way. Basically like a politician Australia is saying no to that behaviour therefore are not condoning nor supporting it. That's how I look at it
 
Let's keep in mind that this thread's title does slant to one side. Anti-Tully posters might be better off going elsewhere :-)

I'm retreating :-P

New thread: "The hate for Tully is justified!"
 
Elspie said:
Tully isn't being bullied, she is just being judged for being a contestant on a reality show. People say stupid, hateful things at times, but I doubt the majority of those people would go up to her face and start screaming at her. If she is being bullied in this forum or facebook or whatever, so is every other housemate. For example calling Ben creepy or Ed/Matt boring you are attacking them as a person, their personality. Tully just the target of more because her behaviour has made it so. Again, I think booing her is silly. You can call out their behaviour, but no need to say vile things just to get a reaction.
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I agree with you. Calling out someone's behaviour is fine and I do that a lot, but booing them and purposely trying to be cruel isn't ok.


Mrs Butterface said:
Definition of bullying: "Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."

What superior strength do you think the people in the crowd at the BB eviction/a footy match/a political rally hold? What do you think those people in the crowd are trying to force Tully/a Collingwood player/Tony Abbott to do?

I don't think the majority of the people who use the word bullying in Australia actually know what the word means.
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The strength of a large crowd is enough to overpower one person.
 
Mrs Butterface said:
Definition of bullying: "Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."

What superior strength do you think the people in the crowd at the BB eviction/a footy match/a political rally hold? What do you think those people in the crowd are trying to force Tully/a Collingwood player/Tony Abbott to do?

I don't think the majority of the people who use the word bullying in Australia actually know what the word means.
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I agree. Such an overused word.
At the end of the day, anyone entering the Big Brother house puts themselves, their personality, their behaviour and their lives up for public scrutiny and dissection. They are aware they will be watched, discussed, debated upon, judged, liked or even loved. They also know they could be disliked or even despised by some. Tully more than others would be aware how social media works, how people share opinions on public forums and discuss all the ins and outs that the "live feed" brings us.
You gotta take the good with the bad.
 
Sweet_Geek said:
Actually, it shows that people band together and stand behind people who are mistreated. The crowd will be booing for various reasons. The fact she cheated, the fact she victimised people in the house and acted like a bully, the fact she throws tantrums to get her way. Basically like a politician Australia is saying no to that behaviour therefore are not condoning nor supporting it. That's how I look at it
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Most people who hate her aren't just trying to stand up for the people she has mistreated. Most of them just love to hate her and she's an easy target, i.e. there are lots of reasons to dislike her. And what she's done hasn't been so bad that it warrants being victimised by thousands of people. Lots of people do what she has done and they don't get treated that way.
 
BBfan- said:
Lots of people do what she has done and they don't get treated that way.
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Because they're not on reality tv!!

You do realise she wasn't forced at gunpoint to go on this show, right? And also has stated that she's been a massive fan since day dot? She might've assumed she'd be well liked on the outside but unless she's the worst 'massive BB fan' ever and completely incompetent at her job, she knew exactly what she was signing up for. If she didn't, I suspect she won't have a job to go to once she gets out. Tully fans on one hand say how smart and cunning she is and yet when it's convenient try to play it like she's so dumb and fragile. Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.
 
BBfan- said:
Most people who hate her aren't just trying to stand up for the people she has mistreated. Most of them just love to hate her and she's an easy target, i.e. there are lots of reasons to dislike her. And what she's done hasn't been so bad that it warrants being victimised by thousands of people. Lots of people do what she has done and they don't get treated that way.
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The reaction of the crowd is not a type of bullying, it's a reaction to what they believe is right or wrong or a dislike to her behaviour. Yes, many people do things like tully, but when you do so publicly, you are going to be judged on that. Putting yourself out there means you are putting yourself up to people's opinions
 
Mrs Butterface said:
Overpower her to do what exactly?
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What do you mean? If you have thousands of people attacking you, that's going to overpower you in some way, such as leading to a mental breakdown or suicide. From what we've seen of Tully, she doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person.
 
BBfan- said:
Most people who hate her aren't just trying to stand up for the people she has mistreated. Most of them just love to hate her and she's an easy target, i.e. there are lots of reasons to dislike her. And what she's done hasn't been so bad that it warrants being victimised by thousands of people. Lots of people do what she has done and they don't get treated that way.
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How is she being victimised?
Take any current housemate and you will find a thread here with someone tearing their character apart.
They knowingly put themselves up for this scrutiny when they applied for a position as a Housemate.
Have you ever thought that if Tully's behaviour wasn't so terrible, that perhaps people wouldn't respond to her in this manner?
 
candysugars said:
How is she being victimised?
Take any current housemate and you will find a thread here with someone tearing their character apart.
They knowingly put themselves up for this scrutiny when they applied for a position as a Housemate.
Have you ever thought that if Tully's behaviour wasn't so terrible, that perhaps people wouldn't respond to her in this manner?
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I think Ben and Heidi have been "bullied". People are taking swipes at them about the way they look. To me that is worse. You can change your attitude, but how we look is not going to change
 
BBfan- said:
What do you mean? If you have thousands of people attacking you, that's going to overpower you in some way, such as leading to a mental breakdown or suicide. From what we've seen of Tully, she doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person.
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I can't keep reposting the definition of bullying in the hopes that you finally understand what the word means. I honestly admire your support for her and while it seems you're concerned, if she's half as smart and clued in as Team Tully keeps saying she is when they're trying to justify her behaviour I think you have nothing to worry about. :)
 
I'd love to argue with you guys some more but I have to go. My 'Defending Tully' shift is over until later tonight when I get home, so hopefully someone will fill in for me until then.
 
I'm not arguing with you BBfan. If you feel strongly about Tully and wish to defend her, I say that's absolutely your right to do so. :)
I also say it's anyone's right to dislike her and voice that, should they choose to do so.
 
My perspective of Tully............. She seems so chained to her feelings and desires that its almost like she is a slave. To me, letting your desires dictate your behaviour over and over again just seem so base and unevolved. Yes peo
 
Tully stans, I understand the need to be a devil advocate and rebel against group think but you can't just like and vehemently defend a person simply because everyone else hates them. There are legitimate reasons why Tully is and should be criticized. Regardless of cheating on her long term girlfriend with a man shes known for weeks and having no remorse for it, her exhaustingly negative and childish attitude to anything that doesnt go her way is draining on the house dynamic and the viewers. I totally get liking Tully cause she creates discussion and drama but the passionate hatred is not unwarranted given her apparent ignorance about her behaviour and its consequences.

She has not shown one OUNCE of remorse for her inappropriate, needy relationship with Drew nor her bitchy, hostile treatment of housemates like Mikkayla and Jade. In her eyes, everyone else is always at fault and against her. Even though I wouldn't mind blander housemates like Heidi and Ed evicted before her, I can't say I have much sympathy for the girl and the hatred she's gotten online.
 
pinch_of_hope said:
She has not shown one OUNCE of remorse for her inappropriate, needy relationship with Drew nor her bitchy, hostile treatment of housemates like Mikkayla and Jade. In her eyes, everyone else is always at fault and against her. Even though I wouldn't mind blander housemates like Heidi and Ed evicted before her, I can't say I have much sympathy for the girl and the hatred she's gotten online.
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I stand by that! That is all!
 
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