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v-tone
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It's human nature. We can't all be like Ghandi or Nelson Mandela (or Estelle!) Where we see injustice, most of us want not just justice but retribution as well.
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- Thread starter Tressyjo
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It's human nature. We can't all be like Ghandi or Nelson Mandela (or Estelle!) Where we see injustice, most of us want not just justice but retribution as well.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe my son was bullied and my experience comes from learning which way was best, when it came to supporting without dis-empowering him, considering what he was going through?
No, it is much easier for you to jump straight into victim mode and scream BULLY! at me.
In my opinion, people like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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cattle_and_cane10
Guest
Exactly TraLa ............ we should all steal a leaf out of estelle's book
SHUNNED ..........had to use uppercase so everyone could see.
Depending on why someone is being shunned , it can be in the bully class.
eg Benn used the word because stacey had told him a lie...and therefore estelle had been shunned because of that lie.
not nice.
Many HMs have "shunned" other HMs, for many different reasons, e.g. Sam "shunned" Estelle because he was self conscious about talking to her following on from the Estelle is a flirt accusations. This is just human nature. You prefer to talk to some people more than others (though of course it is good to be inclusive if possible). What has happened in the house is not bullying.
I find this so annoying. Estelle has never been without companionship, even friendship for the whole time she has been in the house. She has been bitched about, mocked, etc, but so have other HMs. She has certainly had more than her fair share of this negativity but it isn't bullying. In fact all I've heard lately from Ben, Sam and Layla is what a wonderful human being she is. Way over the top. Not sure how this can be equated with bullying.
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v-tone
Guest
Yes... and even the nice half is full of something rhyming with 'it'!
bluegroper
An old member
She was when Ava came in and she was making friends with her, the others were intimidating to her and had her in tears, telling her that she was spending too much time with Ava, because they wanted to get to know her too
. Ben, Michael, Stacey and Zoe's bitch club in the end confirmed to me that Estelle was the most decent person in that house and didn't deserve all the crap she had to put up with. To me it is bullying and it happens all over society when someone is just a little different. 
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la`cat
Guest
This was where I was heading mutley .... I hope they are ashamed too...but I see some will probably justify their behavioiur to themselves...and duck responsibility.
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cattle_and_cane10
Guest
Exactly TraLa ............ we should all steal a leaf out of estelle's book
SHUNNED ..........had to use uppercase so everyone could see.
Depending on why someone is being shunned , it can be in the bully class.
eg Benn used the word because stacey had told him a lie...and therefore estelle had been shunned because of that lie.
not nice.
Many HMs have "shunned" other HMs, for many different reasons, e.g. Sam "shunned" Estelle because he was self conscious about talking to her following on from the Estelle is a flirt accusations. This is just human nature. You prefer to talk to some people more than others (though of course it is good to be inclusive if possible). What has happened in the house is not bullying.
I find this so annoying. Estelle has never been without companionship, even friendship for the whole time she has been in the house. She has been bitched about, mocked, etc, but so have other HMs. She has certainly had more than her fair share of this negativity but it isn't bullying. In fact all I've heard lately from Ben, Sam and Layla is what a wonderful human being she is. Way over the top. Not sure how this can be equated with bullying.
Well that's a shame isn't it?
Because justice and retribution together, never ends peacefully does it?
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la`cat
Guest
I put it in because Ben said it in the kitchen with michael and estelle. He asked for the truth, he was told,he passed the comment.
It was not my comment....and I was saddened to hear the word and the fact it had been used against anyone.
marksman
Used Kombi Salesman
Deliberately ostracizing her and making her an outcast is all bullying. It was deliberate, intentional and wholly malicious. I think some dont understand the breadth and depth of bullying. It is not limited to just someone physically attacking of threatening you. They collectively tried to break Estelle psychologically for an extended period of time.
marksman
Used Kombi Salesman
She was when Ava came in and she was making friends with her, the others were intimidating to her and had her in tears, telling her that she was spending too much time with Ava, because they wanted to get to know her too
The Ava situation is a perfect example of their collective bullying. They didn't want to know Ava they just used thst as a tool to try and inflict themselves on Estelle further.
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Fonzerelli
Guest
Thinking again, the campaign to separate her from Ava was pretty rank on the arsehole scale.
STOP BULLYING MEe !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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v-tone
Guest
By retribution I don't necessarily mean violence (although yes, it can end that way). 'Come-uppance' would probably have been a better word to use: we want to see that the perpetrators suffer in some way comensurate with the suffering they have instigated.
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la`cat
Guest
for me the word is consequences
actions = consequences
I want them to understand and see and feel consequences. Not shrug it off as their alter ego.
