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THE VIRUS 2020 - the good, the bad, and the ugly

Beach said:
Observations of what? When I asked "How many times a week do you usually have real-life discussions about politics or current events with other people?" you didn't directly answer the question.
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That's because i don't keep detailed notes on it.
 
What political views are more socially acceptable to be said can depend on your audience. Are you saying something in social media or in your social circle? Social circle political views can tend to differ particularly whether you live in an urban or rural community, what your income level is, what your field of work is, and many other factors. For instance in a christian evangilst group of friends if your political leanings are left you would probably be in the minority in your social circle.
 
kxk said:
Democrats are all round more positive people, with social policies that encourage equality
Universal health care
Gun control
Black/coloured people matter
Climate crisis policies
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I don't see how social policies that encourage equality contribute to the positivity of people
'Equality' by definition only exists in mathematics. Nowhere in nature will you find equality. To try and 'create' equality is not possible and would be foolish to even attempt. The word 'equality' has been hijacked by the left and turned into one of their many buzzwords. I could make a long list of those.
What puzzles me is that socialists are all for multi-culturalism but against diversity in nature... how does that make sense?

'Universal health care' - "universal" smacks of globalism - no, thank you.
'Gun control' - ABSOLUTELY! Don't sell guns to minors, idiots and criminals.
'Black/coloured people matter' - Do democrats need a policy to understand such a simple principle?
'Climate crisis policies' - oh, really. Enlighten me, just what are those policies?
 
up_all_night said:
When Howard started bringing in migrants from certain parts of Africa, there was discussions and warnings about integration which was ignored. Which in doing so all but ensures you have issues with it. It isn't doing what is best for the immigrants or the wider community. Which directly leads to so many disaffected youths in these communities today that don't feel part of the wider community. Governments were warned there would be issues but did nothing.

Well before the recent reports of the last few years, Victoria had been covering up the statistics of crime related to these communities. Christine Nixon, the Vic Police Chief Commissioner in the 2000s worked to hide and even mislead the public on crime rates within certain communities to not stigmatise them.

Once again, denial of what happening helps no one. You can't help communities if you deny there are problems. PC politics, which comes from both sides of the political parties on these issues, just ignore these issues because they use immigration to falsely boost economic numbers. The argument for this starts to fall apart when you actually look at any other issues around it.
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I had no idea of Howard's and Nixon's doings, clandestine or not. Thanks for enlightening me!
Neglecting the importance of integration is criminal. It has brought us to were we are. Each ethnic group wants to claim sovereignty and many blatantly reject the Australian judicial system. There are thousands who don't even make an attempt to learn English... because they feel they live in their own little country.

By 'economic numbers' I assume you're talking about economic growth? I have thought long and hard about 'economic growth' because I've been hearing it for too long and if anyone asks WHY we need endless economic growth, we are basically threatened with sickness, decay and death for the individual and the country.

Economic growth requires more resources, and a bigger workforce which we import from abroad because our birth rate is gradually declining. Nor do we ever catch up with the infrastructure needed to support such numbers of imports.

Endless growth is as impossible as equality. They are merely dreams which invested groups cling to.
 
reepbot said:
How are the Victorians here dealing with the current restrictions?
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Hi there I guess we are just trying to stay alive mate. Just have to wear a mask whenever outdoors at the shops now etc.

One thing I noticed this weekend was just how quiet the roads are now that all the retail outlets have closed. The traffic on Saturday was really quiet. Same for the traffic today on Sunday. Just goes to show how many people used to go out to all these retailers on the weekend. Now driving around on a Saturday or Sunday arvo feels like it's more quiet than the Good Friday public holiday or even Christmas day holiday.

Anyone else notice a usual sound missing around Australia now? I don't know about the other states but you don't hear any aeroplanes flying above now day or night. It's so peaceful. The nights are so dead quiet now it's amazing. Now with our curfew from 8pm to 5am you can't even hear a car driving around anywhere at night at all. I don't know if they have done a pollution test for the Melbourne area lately but I reckon the air quality should be alot better now with all these restrictions and curfews put in place.
 
Dystopia said:
By 'economic numbers' I assume you're talking about economic growth? I have thought long and hard about 'economic growth' because I've been hearing it for too long and if anyone asks WHY we need endless economic growth, we are basically threatened with sickness, decay and death for the individual and the country.

Economic growth requires more resources, and a bigger workforce which we import from abroad because our birth rate is gradually declining. Nor do we ever catch up with the infrastructure needed to support such numbers of imports.

Endless growth is as impossible as equality. They are merely dreams which invested groups cling to.
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It's a pyramid scheme, you put more people into the economy, the economy grows. The total economy looks good on paper. Yet the GDP per captia is going down. The quality of life is going down, but we're not meant to notice this. Without addressing it, the only solution is keep pumping more and more people into the economy.

"We need immigrants to pay for the aging population"
Well, they get older to, so then you need more and more. It's not a sustainable economic policy.

I don't have it on me, but apparently the economic figures do show that while the economy grows, the net cost to the economy is more than is contributed. People just cherry-pick the numbers they want. They don't account for infrastructure, health care, pensions, welfare, education and so on.

What always puzzles me is why the aim isn't for a nice lean Australia, it will help with global warming and protecting the environment. A small sustainable population, which is clean and green with a good quality of life should be the aim. Not bringing in more people to buy shit from Gerry Harvey so rich people like his wealth grows, while everyone else's goes down.
 
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