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THE VIRUS 2020 - the good, the bad, and the ugly

Isee said:
I think it is interesting that a fox news reporter, a channel that Trump has always supported as not being "fake news" and listens to for his news, is making Kellyanne feel she needs to defend her points so much she just keeps talking. Someone totally confident in thier answers do not talk that fast or that much.
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She talks non stop and doesn’t really say anything. Her husband talks (writes) much less but says alot more. That tweet with the Coronavirus death numbers I posted above was from his twitter feed.
 
Beach said:
The pandemic is not over so I think it's too early to conclude whether their more relaxed approach was better overall than countries that have (or previously had) strong restrictions.
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True. Only time will tell.

It also made me think about the concept that a one size fits all approach cannot be layed onto each country either. Perhaps Sweden feels it was the right decision for them, (and it might well have been) but I am not sure it would have been the right decison for Australia. If we had gone with a herd immunity approach the vastness of our country would have undoubted have had some catastrophic effects on some of the more rural and remote communities. It would be impossible to mobilise entire communities that are infected by covid the several hours to hospitals and medical facilities capable of handling the symptoms. I suspect the death rate may have been quite high for our remote indigenous population, and rural farming communities, mining towns etc,if the disease reached thier communites. What we probably would have lost as a country going that way would have been far worse than what we are losing by having the lockdowns.
Mooseface said:
She talks non stop and doesn’t really say anything. Her husband talks (writes) much less but says alot more. That tweet with the Coronavirus death numbers I posted above was from his twitter feed.
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ahh ok. I have mostly heard Kayley McEnanaey over the last few months.
 
Isee said:
True. Only time will tell.

It also made me think about the concept that a one size fits all approach cannot be layed onto each country either. Perhaps Sweden feels it was the right decision for them, (and it might well have been) but I am not sure it would have been the right decison for Australia. If we had gone with a herd immunity approach the vastness of our country would have undoubted have had some catastrophic effects on some of the more rural and remote communities. It would be impossible to mobilise entire communities that are infected by covid the several hours to hospitals and medical facilities capable of handling the symptoms. I suspect the death rate may have been quite high for our remote indigenous population, and rural farming communities, mining towns etc,if the disease reached thier communites. What we probably would have lost as a country going that way would have been far worse than what we are losing by having the lockdowns.

ahh ok. I have mostly heard Kayley McEnanaey over the last few months.
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True. She has been less visible in the last ... year. But when we do hear her, she has a motor-mouth.
 
Are the leaders of the states and territories of Australia being too insular when it comes to handling the coronavirus, or are they just being protective of the people they represent?
 
Isee said:
True. Only time will tell.

It also made me think about the concept that a one size fits all approach cannot be layed onto each country either. Perhaps Sweden feels it was the right decision for them, (and it might well have been) but I am not sure it would have been the right decison for Australia. If we had gone with a herd immunity approach the vastness of our country would have undoubted have had some catastrophic effects on some of the more rural and remote communities. It would be impossible to mobilise entire communities that are infected by covid the several hours to hospitals and medical facilities capable of handling the symptoms. I suspect the death rate may have been quite high for our remote indigenous population, and rural farming communities, mining towns etc,if the disease reached thier communites. What we probably would have lost as a country going that way would have been far worse than what we are losing by having the lockdowns.
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I think the lockdowns earlier in the year were the right decision but I'm not confident in that being a longterm solution if the pandemic lasts another year or more.

Locking down, reopening and then locking down again multiple times doesn't seem economically sustainable in my opinion. How many situations like Melbourne can the country afford? I think other ways of dealing with this pandemic might have to be considered (doesn't have to be exactly like Sweden though). There is still uncertainty about a vaccine so I think it's safest for leaders to be cautious and prepare for the possibility that there won't be an effective one.
 
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reepbot said:
The economy might have fared even worse if we didn't lockdown though?
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I am not against the lockdowns that occurred earlier in the year. I am against lockdowns being used as recurring strategy in trying to manage the pandemic longterm.
 
Beach said:
I think the lockdowns earlier in the year were the right decision but I'm not confident in that being a longterm solution if the pandemic lasts another year or more.

Locking down, reopening and then locking down again multiple times doesn't seem economically sustainable in my opinion. How many situations like Melbourne can the country afford? I think other ways of dealing with this pandemic might have to be considered (doesn't have to be exactly like Sweden though). There is still uncertainty about a vaccine so I think it's safest for leaders to be cautious and prepare for the possibility that there won't be an effective one.
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There is a lot of places that are still permitted to be working during this lockdown
Then there are all those working from home. Many retail places would also have an online presence. So it is not like Melbourne has totally stopped.
 
But I do think/agree both the government and organisations need to have longer term strategies in place for how to handle this, as I agree this isn't going away any time soon, and nobody wants to live through another 2020.
 
Beach said:
I am not against the lockdowns that occurred earlier in the year. I am against lockdowns being used as recurring strategy in trying to manage the pandemic longterm.
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What do you suggest?

I think, if nothing else, repeated lockdowns will be bad for people's mental health, so there has to be an alternate solution.

I think strict wearing of masks as soon as cases reach double figures for more than three days in a row.
 
Isee said:
There is a lot of places that are still permitted to be working during this lockdown
Then there are all those working from home. Many retail places would also have an online presence. So it is not like Melbourne has totally stopped.
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The current degree of economic activity in Melbourne might be okay for the current situation but I don't think another lockdown would be economically sustainable if the virus resurges there again. There are still many people who have lost their jobs or can't work from home.

If this pandemic continues for multiple years then people should be thinking beyond lockdowns. I don't know the solution but there are innovative people that I hope will determine something effective.
 
Testing the entire population would have to be done regularly for that to be an effective strategy overall. I doubt there'd be enough resources for that and I don't think everyone would comply either. Regular mandatory testing for people working in certain occupations might be effective though. Maybe for hospitality workers?
 
An interesting thing I read economy wise is Australians have really taken to online shopping like never before. Plus jbhifi have done well too.
 
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