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Hammy
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Tim did let her down. Tim betrayed Jade.
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Ed is a deadset prick.
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I know you're trolling but others might agree.
The alternative is that he then betrays someone else.
The logic seems to have been, even though Ed was hooking up with Jade. It was ok for him to put her up because they hadn't 'known each other that long' or 'weren't as close as they are now????'
They clearly were closer then than how Tim and Jade are now. So the alternative is a loyalty based on time knowing each other.
The logic falls down because of all the people who are original house mates. Jade is in the bottom two with closeness with Tim.
So really she is saying Tim should have voted for the intruders. She certainly wouldn't be advocating he should have voted for Ed. That's the only criteria and anything else is a betrayal. However isn't voting for any of the other originals not more of a betrayal? Due to the closeness rankings. Remember they have been yammering on about group divides all week.
So Tim's only way to not be a betrayer is to vote for the intruders. She however herself didn't just vote for just the intruders. So there's a double standard. Ed also voted for an original
Oh but what could her defense be? She isn't as close with Tahan. Well Tim isn't as close with Jade as the others baring Ed.
There's no way they could argue to being closer with Maddie than Tahan or Drew after the time they've spent together.
So they are being hypocrites.
Further to this, their voting for original housemates was down purely to strategy. They weren't nominating on loyalty and friendship grounds. So why should they suggest Tim has to have those grounds applied when he votes?
It's just a black hole trying to understand the logic of their argument.
Bottom line it seems anything Tim did was wrong unless he voted for the intruders. They aren't applying the same standard to themselves.
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rasta22
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mumble, mumble.......zzzzEd
RenThraysk
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I believe Jade just thinks her "relationship" with Ed is potentially going to end if she leaves as a result of being nominated over a bug.
Her problem with being nominated is partly because Ed is stringing her along, and not offering any kind of commitment seemingly.
Ed is a moron. Would love them to find out that Ed nominated Jade more recently than the Tim&Jade choice. Doubt even his nominations of Katie & Lucy (3 times) and Mikkayla (5 times) would go down well with Jade either.
Her problem with being nominated is partly because Ed is stringing her along, and not offering any kind of commitment seemingly.
Ed is a moron. Would love them to find out that Ed nominated Jade more recently than the Tim&Jade choice. Doubt even his nominations of Katie & Lucy (3 times) and Mikkayla (5 times) would go down well with Jade either.
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Curious
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Fairly insightful post there. I won't even address Ed and his issues with keeping up appearances, because his type are a dime a dozen and rivalry between the Jocks and every other sub culture will always exist.
Tim, I think you're right in that he is hiding pain. I've said this before that he is brilliant and views life very differently than most. I think it was Mikkayla who said he's taken nearly 11 years to finish his degree, likely because he is not the type to learn in a regimented environment. He lives out in the country and talks to animals all day, is awkward with women etc. so I think deep down he's quite lonely because he can't seem to connect with people. In fact I think it's Tim who is the character in a Beautiful Mind, not Ed.
Tim, I think you're right in that he is hiding pain. I've said this before that he is brilliant and views life very differently than most. I think it was Mikkayla who said he's taken nearly 11 years to finish his degree, likely because he is not the type to learn in a regimented environment. He lives out in the country and talks to animals all day, is awkward with women etc. so I think deep down he's quite lonely because he can't seem to connect with people. In fact I think it's Tim who is the character in a Beautiful Mind, not Ed.
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Curious
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I can't stand Ed, but he's been quite honest with her about what happens after BB. Nothing! He doesn't even respond when she hints that she can move to his hometown and model there, but i do think you're right that she does want to be in the house as long as possible to be near him. Does she even care about winning?
RenThraysk
Active Member
Seems to me he just goes quiet. Like a lie by omission, which I say wasn't honest.
Connoisseur
Well-Known Member
I pity Ed for what Jade has done to him. If that little desperate hussy wasn't in there clinging to him like a cheap suit he might have had a better time in the house. As it is his reputation is in tatters all because of some entitled desperado bitch who couldn't take no for an answer.
Saxo
New Member
Misogyny. Look it up.
Allgood
Active Member
He might just not want to discuss something so personal on national TV. I think Ed has handled this Jade thing quite well as he is always conscience that he is on camera. Jade has said too much in the house that ultimately she "may" look back on in embarrassment.
RenThraysk
Active Member
It doesn't need a personal discussion. If he said he'd like to spend some time in Balina sometime after they get out, she'd be over the moon. Or even suggested she visited him. But she's getting neither, he's staying cagey.
Melore
Tiny Member
He hasn't been honest with her. He has been evasive. That, to me, is the opposite of honest and up-front.
If he wants to play her and play the noble decent guy at the same time, that's his twisted business. If she wants to msiread all his multiple mixed signals, that's hers and her misfortune ultimately.
But for both of them to get all wobbly faced and morally outraged over someone putting in a nomination vote for Jade!!!!!!! Something Ed is fine about excusing when he does it, I might add. It's preposterous.
They are not honest with each other or with themselves, or ultimately with the Australian public. Might serve them better to focus on that.
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Sarah Smith
Guest
I too wanted to throw things at the TV last night.
Ed is always stating that Tim is a manipulator, however I see Ed as the biggest manipulator in the house.
Ed is constantly trying to turn people against Tim by trying to highlight the differences Ed perceives between them. Ed portrays himself as a loyal friend whilst Tim is callous and heartless. Ed's constant promotion of his 'good guy' persona is pure manipulation to pull Jade and Madeline away from Tim, and for his 'outside image'.
Jade may have disliked the reason Tim and Drew gave for nominating, but it was Ed who was leading the discussion and changing it completely away from Jade's reasons and into an argument of how Ed wouldn't be disloyal to his friends in comparison to Tim.
Ed was clearly fuelling the fire on disharmony in the house by turning the choice of nominations into character assassinations. I think Tim and Tahan are more level headed about the process and state that of course they have to nominate their friends at some stage.
Ed is a sanctimonious prick, indeed!
Ed is always stating that Tim is a manipulator, however I see Ed as the biggest manipulator in the house.
Ed is constantly trying to turn people against Tim by trying to highlight the differences Ed perceives between them. Ed portrays himself as a loyal friend whilst Tim is callous and heartless. Ed's constant promotion of his 'good guy' persona is pure manipulation to pull Jade and Madeline away from Tim, and for his 'outside image'.
Jade may have disliked the reason Tim and Drew gave for nominating, but it was Ed who was leading the discussion and changing it completely away from Jade's reasons and into an argument of how Ed wouldn't be disloyal to his friends in comparison to Tim.
Ed was clearly fuelling the fire on disharmony in the house by turning the choice of nominations into character assassinations. I think Tim and Tahan are more level headed about the process and state that of course they have to nominate their friends at some stage.
Ed is a sanctimonious prick, indeed!
Longbow
Self Destructoid
It was clear as day to me that Tim is right. Tim's not the one making Ed look bad, rather the other way around. All this time Ed's main issue with Tim is that he's saying things and maneuvering pieces on the chess board to make Ed out as the bad guy when Ed is the one who's actually doing it, I'm finding it to be interesting into the human psyche but at the same time frustrated by it.
No matter what Tim does from here on out, Ed will perceive and portray it to be deceptive and underhanded, even if Tim makes a tuna sandwich there is a hidden motive behind it. I also find Jade to be too obsessed and not critical enough of Ed for independent thought that i find it a big turn off. If Ed took a knife to... let's say Drew's throat, in Jade's eyes it wouldn't be Ed's fault but rather Tim drove him too it. It's weird too because I'm captivated by it yet at the same time over it.
No matter what Tim does from here on out, Ed will perceive and portray it to be deceptive and underhanded, even if Tim makes a tuna sandwich there is a hidden motive behind it. I also find Jade to be too obsessed and not critical enough of Ed for independent thought that i find it a big turn off. If Ed took a knife to... let's say Drew's throat, in Jade's eyes it wouldn't be Ed's fault but rather Tim drove him too it. It's weird too because I'm captivated by it yet at the same time over it.
Evilroyslade
Active Member
Had'nt considered that but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Deep down she knows her romance has an expiry date.
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khris_7000
Guest
ED only gave into her charms because she wouldn't let up lol. You know what I mean right guys? when there is that one girl who just keeps hanging around and eventually...well you know what I mean. He likes to be Mr. Perfect but he is boring as shit and really hasn't had much too offer apart from hooking up with jade and losing to tim in arguments. fail ed..just...fail.
ASSASSIN
New Member
Tim let Jade down ? Tim betrayed Jade ? What a troll !
So now Tim is only allowed to nominate the way Jade & hypocrite Ed says... BS!
Ed shouldn't have thrown Jade under the bus, then make a complete goose out of him self, bagging Tim for his nom.
Hope Ed and Jade is kicked out next week, i assume there will be at least a double eviction coming up.
ASSASSIN
New Member
This is what i have been saying for ages... Jade has broken Ed in, like you would do to a horse [Mr Ed] - once Ed is outside the house, he wont give Jade and her mole a second look.
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claire_michell
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I don't agree with that, , ConnoisseurJade is a strong character and has been able to avoid Ed's poisonous brainwashing, to a point, however deluded she is on the other issue, I still see Jade as very smart and strong, I don't think that can be denied, Ed is definitely doing a scam on Jade
Connoisseur
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After being pursued by Jade for over 2 months inside a house where Ed cannot get away from her, I think it’s fair to give the guy some credit for how he’s handled himself in there. I don’t think he had better alternatives in dealing with this surreal situation he’s found himself in; IMHO he’s done the best he could in very tricky trying circumstances.
Let’s be honest here Ed was in a lose-lose situation. If he was too blunt and upfront about him being physically attracted to Jade but had no desire to enter into relationship with her (for reasons he’s entitled to have), he would have been hung, drawn and quartered by Jade nutters for rejecting their beautiful girl and eviction would have been imminent.
And had he actually taken advantage of Jade and told her all the things the deluded girl wanted to hear to get in her pants and then dump her at the end of the show, Ed would’ve had to hire security personnel to protect himself from spurned Jade nutters and infamy for being a cad on reality tv for the rest of his life.
It’s not Ed’s fault that Jade has entitlement issues and couldn’t get the hint that sometimes guys might like some affectionate physical contact because let’s face it she’s got a banging body and not many guys would pass up a chance to rub those babies. But that should not be interpreted as a green light that Ed ( or any other guy for that matter) has any interest in pursuing anything further than fun flirtatious physical stuff.
As they say men are from mars and women are from venus, men can separate physical attraction from genuine love and women apparently can’t. I think Jade took advantage of the fact they’re trapped inside the house where Ed can’t get away from her and gradually worked him over to guilt him into a relationship with her.
I’m sorry but Jade doesn’t come across to me as the innocent victim in all of this rather the cunning instigator who finally entrapped the doofus that is Ed by sheer relentless persistence. As far as I’m concerned Ed is the real victim here not Jade.
Waayy to many (females in particular who are projecting themselves on Jade) posters act as if Jade is a naïve 12 years old in the Middle East, that has been callously seduced by charming middle aged Ed and disposed of after he got bored of her. It shouldn’t surprise as females rarely ever admit to being wrong and prefer laying all the blame on men instead without actually self-reflecting on what THEY have done; a Miss Perfect complex of sorts.