Housemate #5 TULLY!

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MADONNA said:
Everybody, please listen to [MENTION=36011]chads[/MENTION] and agree with him. He is from Finland, he's probably hot and that's FAR more persuasive than any REBUTTAL.

I agree 100% chads xoxoxo
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Thank you dear. I know you are even hotter.

How was your 'dinner', delicious sorcery? :D
 
Meewa said:
Wow I've been watching BB for years, and enjoyed reading these forums for most of that time, but never before felt the need to go to the effort of creating an account here for what will likely be a one-time post.

It surprises me reading this thread and others what perfect, neat lives most people on here seem to privileged enough to have had as that isn't my experience of people I know in everyday life. I say this as I don't know how anyone who has actually lived through any kind of hurtful or traumatic experience could be so judgemental of others' methods of coping with them.

In the first weeks of the show I found myself identifying with (not necessarily liking) Tully, as my twenties were a time of great upheaval and family issues and I am also quite an emotional person. It isn't something I like about myself and is not attractive to watch exaggerated on TV in another person, but the fact that we cry when sad, frustrated, tired, hormonal, or otherwise stressed out is not an indication of our inner strength. I am not saying that I know Tully is stronger than people are painting her to be, but I also know for a fact that I have survived things that many have told me they could not go through. Yet in other situations I can seem an emotional flake.

With regards to the Drully situation - their initial affectionate friendship is entirely believable to me. When I was that age I was going through some of the hardest things I think I will ever have to, yet also having the time of my life with some of the best friends I will ever have. At that age friendships and love can feel so intense, particularly in my experience in groups of friends that spend a lot of time doing everything together. Throw in a party scene and the need to escape occasionally from the pressure of feeling you need to hold a family together and these friendships become intensified.

I know for a fact that my partner and I at the time hugged, kissed and cuddled all our friends all the time. We were all comfortable with each other physically as well as emotionally and the level of trust was extremely high and nothing ever happened that we would have construed as cheating, although reading this thread there are a lot of puritans who would have had us crucified for some of our actions. And no - we weren't swingers!

Drew and Tully are apparently both more craving of affection and emotional support than may be typical for some, a possible character flaw that I can identify with. They also seem to have a lot in common and an obvious chemistry. Put them in a contrived situation with no way to "touch base" with their own individual identities outside the house and I can see why they (like Jade's fixation on Ed) have ended up this way. There is no way for us to say if they are genuinely in love or not (I'm not sure there is ever a definitive test for this anyway), but the feelings are real for them. They'll only know how real once they are back outside and see each other living their real (though vastly changed now I'm sure!) lives and deal with the attention both positive and negative. As for Tully being some kind of evil cheating conniving liar - seriously??? This is one of the most heart-on-sleeve honest people on this show, and she's been living the whole thing on camera. She may not have conducted herself in a manner that you would approve of, but to put her on a par with someone who has been married and living a double life for years is just ridiculous. I certainly have sympathy for Tahlia, but shit happens and people fall in love whether it lasts or not. I wouldn't like watching the person I love fall in love with someone else on daily television with the world commenting, but to be honest I don't think I would like watching someone I love in the BB house at all!

The way I see it, there has to be some element of narcissism in everyone who applies to go on any kind of reality show, particularly one like this where you are entirely isolated from everything that makes you feel connected to your sense of self. (Sorry that was a really clunky sentence but I'm not sure how to say it clearly). I just find it bizarre when any housemate in particular is criticised for being attention-seeking, isn't every single one of them pretty much by definition?

Haha ok rant over. I do have to admit that though I can't watch people I despise (and there haven't been any this season, although Mikkayla really grates on me), I would much rather watch people who have depth, different dimensions, and psychologically interesting actions and reactions. This I choose over the pretty shiny plastic "nice" ones any day. If I wanted to watch fake-arse bland posers every night I'd watch Home and Away.
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awesome first post. I actually wanted to start a thread where we could all talk about Tully in a positive, understanding manner, but in the end figured it was pointless as the haters would never let it stay positive. Thank you for proving that there are people out there that feel the same way I do.
 
Meewa said:
aww shucks [MENTION=29326]l.a.r.a[/MENTION]. [MENTION=28321]bbfan[/MENTION] and [MENTION=35069]Winterbourne[/MENTION]

I was expecting to get pilloried over this from what I'd seen previously so posted, (possibly from some finnish guy with madonna/whore issues haha) so nice to not be immediately shot down.

Actually I think this is my first contribution to any public forum/blog/website EVER and I've been reading them for years, was just so flabbergasted by the level of smug, self-serving, pseudo-moralistic vitriol directed at these people that I had to say something.
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I'm over the moon to see the word "pilloried" used twice in two days!!!
 
Meewa said:
aww shucks [MENTION=29326]l.a.r.a[/MENTION]. [MENTION=28321]bbfan[/MENTION] and [MENTION=35069]Winterbourne[/MENTION]

I was expecting to get pilloried over this from what I'd seen previously so posted, (possibly from some finnish guy with madonna/whore issues haha) so nice to not be immediately shot down.

Actually I think this is my first contribution to any public forum/blog/website EVER and I've been reading them for years, was just so flabbergasted by the level of smug, self-serving, pseudo-moralistic vitriol directed at these people that I had to say something.
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So tell me, what is the idea of the forum then? I think the majority of people have been fairly mild in their judgements, not just of Tully but ALL of the HM's....but so what if they are not, so what is they are passionate and can't stand Tully or Jade or whoever? How boring would it be in here if we all agreed to disagree and went on our merry way!!

Gosh, you know I find those posters who are calling others out (for their appraently overboard opinions) to be irritating. I enjoy the banter that goes on in here, if you don't, then perhaps don't bother lurking or posting hey. If you disagree with someone's post in particular, then rebut their arguments and be prepared to back your statements. Don't come in here casting your broad sweeping generalisations.
 
[MENTION=11078]yukikodancer[/MENTION] thanks!

None of the housemates (or us) are perfect, but I think there's so much opportunity for interesting conversation regarding their complexities that is being squandered by those who'd rather just gossip and snipe at that which they don't understand.

Some on here must live in a world that looks like a breakfast cereal ad.
Or LegoLand.
 
Meewa said:
Wow I've been watching BB for years, and enjoyed reading these forums for most of that time, but never before felt the need to go to the effort of creating an account here for what will likely be a one-time post.

It surprises me reading this thread and others what perfect, neat lives most people on here seem to privileged enough to have had as that isn't my experience of people I know in everyday life. I say this as I don't know how anyone who has actually lived through any kind of hurtful or traumatic experience could be so judgemental of others' methods of coping with them.

In the first weeks of the show I found myself identifying with (not necessarily liking) Tully, as my twenties were a time of great upheaval and family issues and I am also quite an emotional person. It isn't something I like about myself and is not attractive to watch exaggerated on TV in another person, but the fact that we cry when sad, frustrated, tired, hormonal, or otherwise stressed out is not an indication of our inner strength. I am not saying that I know Tully is stronger than people are painting her to be, but I also know for a fact that I have survived things that many have told me they could not go through. Yet in other situations I can seem an emotional flake.

With regards to the Drully situation - their initial affectionate friendship is entirely believable to me. When I was that age I was going through some of the hardest things I think I will ever have to, yet also having the time of my life with some of the best friends I will ever have. At that age friendships and love can feel so intense, particularly in my experience in groups of friends that spend a lot of time doing everything together. Throw in a party scene and the need to escape occasionally from the pressure of feeling you need to hold a family together and these friendships become intensified.

I know for a fact that my partner and I at the time hugged, kissed and cuddled all our friends all the time. We were all comfortable with each other physically as well as emotionally and the level of trust was extremely high and nothing ever happened that we would have construed as cheating, although reading this thread there are a lot of puritans who would have had us crucified for some of our actions. And no - we weren't swingers!

Drew and Tully are apparently both more craving of affection and emotional support than may be typical for some, a possible character flaw that I can identify with. They also seem to have a lot in common and an obvious chemistry. Put them in a contrived situation with no way to "touch base" with their own individual identities outside the house and I can see why they (like Jade's fixation on Ed) have ended up this way. There is no way for us to say if they are genuinely in love or not (I'm not sure there is ever a definitive test for this anyway), but the feelings are real for them. They'll only know how real once they are back outside and see each other living their real (though vastly changed now I'm sure!) lives and deal with the attention both positive and negative. As for Tully being some kind of evil cheating conniving liar - seriously??? This is one of the most heart-on-sleeve honest people on this show, and she's been living the whole thing on camera. She may not have conducted herself in a manner that you would approve of, but to put her on a par with someone who has been married and living a double life for years is just ridiculous. I certainly have sympathy for Tahlia, but shit happens and people fall in love whether it lasts or not. I wouldn't like watching the person I love fall in love with someone else on daily television with the world commenting, but to be honest I don't think I would like watching someone I love in the BB house at all!

The way I see it, there has to be some element of narcissism in everyone who applies to go on any kind of reality show, particularly one like this where you are entirely isolated from everything that makes you feel connected to your sense of self. (Sorry that was a really clunky sentence but I'm not sure how to say it clearly). I just find it bizarre when any housemate in particular is criticised for being attention-seeking, isn't every single one of them pretty much by definition?

Haha ok rant over. I do have to admit that though I can't watch people I despise (and there haven't been any this season, although Mikkayla really grates on me), I would much rather watch people who have depth, different dimensions, and psychologically interesting actions and reactions. This I choose over the pretty shiny plastic "nice" ones any day. If I wanted to watch fake-arse bland posers every night I'd watch Home and Away.
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Their "relationship" started with Tully saying that Jade was using Drew. A nominations night came up - Jade was nominated, and Tully was not, she took Jade's "bed space" that night. From that moment, she yelled at Drew every time he spoke to anyone other than her, accusing him of talking behind her back. That is not love. She even went as far as projecting her tantrums as being him throwing tantrums.

Yep, her and Tahlia aren't married, but they have lived together for a long time and have a dog together so they aren't a "married couple". And unfortunately same sex marriage is not legal in Australia. I am Gen Y - gay or straight, if you have a dog together, that is the same as having a child together. Given they live together, Tully is clearly assuming once she leaves the house she will just go back to their home together. Imagine Tahlia is a man who Tully is married to and has a child with, because that is basically the situation - is it still ok?
 
LoveBB said:
So tell me, what is the idea of the forum then? I think the majority of people have been fairly mild in their judgements, not just of Tully but ALL of the HM's....but so what if they are not, so what is they are passionate and can't stand Tully or Jade or whoever? How boring would it be in here if we all agreed to disagree and went on our merry way!!

Gosh, you know I find those posters who are calling others out (for their appraently overboard opinions) to be irritating. I enjoy the banter that goes on in here, if you don't, then perhaps don't bother lurking or posting hey. If you disagree with someone's post in particular, then rebut their arguments and be prepared to back your statements. Don't come in here casting your broad sweeping generalisations.
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I think the idea of the forum is to discuss about BB, the housemates and related issues, not other forum members. This is quite clearly very hard for several of the posters here. I've been guilty of this myself too, but only after enough baiting and insults from certain members (you know who you are.)
 
Meewa said:
I can't help myself - love them five dollar words!
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Would you say we have a plethora of 5 dollar words?

There is a big difference between debate, including myriad opinions and hypotheses, and relentless spamming of one idea, which instead stifles debate.
 
In actually enjoying this 'new' Tully, a lot less whining and crying and a lot more fun and nice. I'm glad he decided to make the decision to try and be positive this week because it really has been doing her favours. Although I still don't agree with the whole 'Drully' saga I think she's becoming better!
 
LoveBB said:
So tell me, what is the idea of the forum then? I think the majority of people have been fairly mild in their judgements, not just of Tully but ALL of the HM's....but so what if they are not, so what is they are passionate and can't stand Tully or Jade or whoever? How boring would it be in here if we all agreed to disagree and went on our merry way!!

Gosh, you know I find those posters who are calling others out (for their appraently overboard opinions) to be irritating. I enjoy the banter that goes on in here, if you don't, then perhaps don't bother lurking or posting hey. If you disagree with someone's post in particular, then rebut their arguments and be prepared to back your statements. Don't come in here casting your broad sweeping generalisations.
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I think you've misunderstood me, I was attempting to sum up my reaction to a very full thread (and others) in one off the cuff post and maybe wasn't very articulate in doing so.

It is actually the differences in opinion that keep me watching the show and lurking in the forums. I love a good argument/debate and like to try and understand where my apparent opponent is coming from. What I do take issue with is the way some descend into extremely personal attacks over things they really know very little about. I laugh my guts out at some of the tongue in cheek ribbing, but loathe bullying in any form, and arrogant ignorance is one of the few attributes I find impossible to work around when trying to understand and respect others and their opinions.

My post however was actually intended to be more along the lines of what I find positive about people. I didn't intend to insult anyone at all, would've quoted or referenced specific posts if that was the case. Sorry I wasn't clear enough for you.
 
chads said:
Hahah that was funny, Angry Birds clock and fishing book. Is the episode that short or is there more?
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Oh that was just a clip! There's more just Google Veep s02e05. Great series I highly recommend watching them all.
 
delcan said:
Their "relationship" started with Tully saying that Jade was using Drew. A nominations night came up - Jade was nominated, and Tully was not, she took Jade's "bed space" that night. From that moment, she yelled at Drew every time he spoke to anyone other than her, accusing him of talking behind her back. That is not love. She even went as far as projecting her tantrums as being him throwing tantrums.

Yep, her and Tahlia aren't married, but they have lived together for a long time and have a dog together so they aren't a "married couple". And unfortunately same sex marriage is not legal in Australia. I am Gen Y - gay or straight, if you have a dog together, that is the same as having a child together. Given they live together, Tully is clearly assuming once she leaves the house she will just go back to their home together. Imagine Tahlia is a man who Tully is married to and has a child with, because that is basically the situation - is it still ok?
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Actually I think it's a pretty hurtful and difficult situation for all involved. Some of us however feel a hell of a lot more than others. It can be exhilarating, it can be draining. I tend to react intuitively and emotionally to situations and having been in some tough ones myself I just can't bring myself to judge quite so readily as you.
 
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