Tully Making Lesbians Look Bad

[Shackles]

She can label herself lesbian, bi or straight she has every right to, just because she hugs Matt and flirts with Drew doesn't mean she's 'obviously' bi.

*She said that if she were single she'd flirt with anyone, guy or girl.

*She said that labels don't work for her and that she's been with both men & women.

*She also mentioned that she wouldn't care if her future partner is man or woman. She'd marry either - She was pretty much like 'whatever floats' about her partner.

That doesn't sound like a lesbian to me. Lesbians KNOW that they will be with a woman in the future. Lesbians only want women, otherwise they are bisexual or straight even.

 

[buck07]

Guess I didn't hear Tully say that she's bi and not lesbian? Just going by what I know or have been led to understand about Tully from the show. Being gay/straight/bi what have you is a lot more fluid than most people think but that doesn't mean that anyone has the right to say someone is too gay or not gay enough for a label.

Just for reference, here's the scene I refer to - and NO, it certainly didn't appear on the Daily Show, but it might air on "Late Night Feast".

http://www.bigbrother.com.au/video/?videoid=72dd6e52-497f-42b9-813e-0b6ec5c0a439

and for our overseas viewers:

http://content1.catalog.video.msn.com/e2/ds/58c52e65-b1fa-4a2d-b152-0fbf280c4b29.mp4

Sorry, my message was cut off.
It said something about how everyone is different and how one persons actions shouldn't be a reflection on all of us.

But yeah, I'm gay lol.

If you don't know "Life of Brian" back to front, you'll have missed the gag.

[video=youtube;4SYc_flMnMQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ[/video]

Tully doesn't represent all lesbians. What she does is only a reflection of herself, not a whole subgroup of people. And she's not "clearly bisexual". I think she's pansexual with a preference for women, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Nicely said.

 

[Nan_Taylor]

Just for reference, here's the scene I refer to - and NO, it certainly didn't appear on the Daily Show, but it might air on "Late Night Feast".

http://www.bigbrother.com.au/video/?videoid=72dd6e52-497f-42b9-813e-0b6ec5c0a439

and for our overseas viewers:

http://content1.catalog.video.msn.com/e2/ds/58c52e65-b1fa-4a2d-b152-0fbf280c4b29.mp4




If you don't know "Life of Brian" back to front, you'll have missed the gag.

[video=youtube;4SYc_flMnMQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ[/video]



Nicely said.

Somebody knows Life of Brian...
I think I'm in love :3 - Kitty face.

 

[Sonia]

*She said that if she were single she'd flirt with anyone, guy or girl.

*She said that labels don't work for her and that she's been with both men & women.

*She also mentioned that she wouldn't care if her future partner is man or woman. She'd marry either - She was pretty much like 'whatever floats' about her partner.

That doesn't sound like a lesbian to me. Lesbians KNOW that they will be with a woman in the future. Lesbians only want women, otherwise they are bisexual or straight even.

The majority of the media and BB marketing has made her out to be a lesbian, I feel like this has been mentioned in the house and she has said this about herself or maybe it's just hearing it everywhere has made me think she was but if she isn't and she's actually bi then that's fine I'm not trying to push her being a 'lesbian' I just assumed from the media that she was. That's not really the point of this thread, even if she is bi she's no token queer hm that needs to fly the flag for other bi or lesbian Australian's she should be, as BBfan put it, judged for being Tully, not for being gay.

 

[Nan_Taylor]

To add to this, If Drew was gay & Tully was straight nobody would care about their friendship, but because it's the other way around it's a big deal.

Does anyone else think this is true?

 

[Thing]

If Ben started to fool around like that with Heidi I think this and other forums would be inundated with chit chat.. same thing

 

[Sonia]

To add to this, If Drew was gay & Tully was straight nobody would care about their friendship, but because it's the other way around it's a big deal.

Does anyone else think this is true?

That's really interesting, maybe it feeds into some form of the idea that lesbians can be turned 'straight' by meeting (or meating) the right guy? I feel like gay men are just seen as being rigidly gay and 'ruined', women won't go after a gay man if she knows she doesn't have a chance but there's something thrilling for guys if a girl says she's bi or lesbian that he thinks he can be the one to turn her or at least get a threesome out of it.

 

[BBfan-]

That's really interesting, maybe it feeds into some form of the idea that lesbians can be turned 'straight' by meeting (or meating) the right guy? I feel like gay men are just seen as being rigidly gay and 'ruined', women won't go after a gay man if she knows she doesn't have a chance but there's something thrilling for guys if a girl says she's bi or lesbian that he thinks he can be the one to turn her or at least get a threesome out of it.

Yes, that's so true. I never thought about it that way.

 

[l.a.r.a]

To add to this, If Drew was gay & Tully was straight nobody would care about their friendship, but because it's the other way around it's a big deal.

Does anyone else think this is true?

Cuddling with someone doesn't mean you want to have sex with them. Drew stroked Tully's hair first and before turning away from Drew, she just gave a little gesture of affection, than they spooned. I can't see anything in that.

 

[pinecone]

http://teesmyth.tumblr.com/post/8511255502

 

[BBfan-]

http://teesmyth.tumblr.com/post/8511255502

That's from 2 years ago, but I still think she's pansexual. She might be attracted to particular people, whether they're male or female, but I assume they're mostly female because she identifies as lesbian.

 

[TMoney]

*She said that if she were single she'd flirt with anyone, guy or girl.

*She said that labels don't work for her and that she's been with both men & women.

*She also mentioned that she wouldn't care if her future partner is man or woman. She'd marry either - She was pretty much like 'whatever floats' about her partner.

That doesn't sound like a lesbian to me. Lesbians KNOW that they will be with a woman in the future. Lesbians only want women, otherwise they are bisexual or straight even.

Exactly my point. Said it better than my attempt

 

[riddim]

she's not making lesbians look bad - she's making tully look bad.

it doesn't matter if she's gay or bi. she's in a relationship. for all her unpalatable behaviour that maybe some people want to defend, cheating on her partner is indefensible. she's a scumbag.

just ask yourself how you'd feel about your partner cozying up to someone else the way she has. none of the other people in relationships in there have crossed the line as she has.

 

[GalPal]

To add to this, If Drew was gay & Tully was straight nobody would care about their friendship, but because it's the other way around it's a big deal.

Does anyone else think this is true?

Totally agree Darkwillfly.

 

[l.a.r.a]

she's not making lesbians look bad - she's making tully look bad.

it doesn't matter if she's gay or bi. she's in a relationship. for all her unpalatable behaviour that maybe some people want to defend, cheating on her partner is indefensible. she's a scumbag.

just ask yourself how you'd feel about your partner cozying up to someone else the way she has. none of the other people in relationships in there have crossed the line as she has.

First of all, Tully did not cheat. As I said before, cuddling with someone does not mean she want to have sex with him.

Second, you have no idea what relationship she share with her partner.

 

[BBfan-]

First of all, Tully did not cheat. As I said before, cuddling with someone does not mean she want to have sex with him.

Second, you have no idea what relationship she share with her partner.

Agreed.

Someone who has a twitter account should ask Tully's gf what she thinks because she'll know better than any of us whether what Tully is doing is friendly or flirty. (I have a feeling she'd say that's her normal friendly behaviour.)

 

[RyanSPK]

Interesting clip with Tim. However, that doesn't give you the right to label someone else's sexuality. Tully chooses to identify as a lesbian, although she admits the label isn't a 100% fit for her, it's still what she identifies as. As Tully and Tim say in their conversation, sexuality isn't just black and white. Tully is just going with the label she thinks best describes herself. Even if that's a lesbian that experiences attraction to men as well. She obviously feels her attraction to women is a lot more predominant and therefore believes homosexual is a closer match than bisexual when she tries to explain her sexuality in simple black and white terms. Bisexuality is commonly believed to be a 50/50 attraction to both men and women (which I know isn't accurate, it's just the widely believed definition) and Tully doesn't believe that describes her sexuality the best.

Labels are meant to empower us, not restrict us. They help to articulate ourselves. Sexuality is a spectrum and Tully is simply trying to use the best label that helps to describe her, but she doesn't perfectly fit into any of the "standard" definitions of any current sexuality labels (a lot of people don't by the way). Tully doesn't choose her sexuality but she does choose how she expresses it, what she identifies as and what she labels it as. If that's a lesbian who also feels some attraction to men then so be it.

As for representing either lesbians or bisexuals. Tully didn't go into the house with an agenda to raise LGB issues or represent them either. She's gone in as her own person without trying to take on that kind of baggage. She's being judged for who she is, not that she's a lesbian. She doesn't really epitomise any stereotypes about either sexuality anyway, so I don't see the big deal.

As for the cuddling up for Drew thing, at the moment it's just for a bit of affection and comfort. There's nothing wrong with friendly spooning. I can imagine i'd want to do the same in the house. I'll be concerned if her thing with Drew goes any further though.

 

[Sly]

sex is something one does, not something one is. gender is something one has.

Juss saying ...

As for "homosexual", isn't that just another word for "masturbation" ?

Think about it.

How could single/solo sex be anything other ?

regarDS

Right, because that's how English works.

 

[seneca]

sex is something one does, not something one is. gender is something one has.

While sex can refer to the act of sex it also refers to a biological attribute. The male sex and the female sex. Thus sex indeed can be something that one is. The word gender was originally a grammatical term, and it has only been in recent decades that it has acquired the connotation of sexual identity. People often say gender where really sex more apt in some contexts.

 

[derspatz]

Has anyone considered that what primarily drives the creature called Tully is simply narcissism ?

That she basically craves to served / worshipped as well as be considered "different" and "special" ?

You know, just like KRudd does.

Also, has anyone considered Tully is simply immature and clueless, just like so many others of her age if not upbringing ?

OTOH, maybe Tully merely suffers from ASPERGERS !

regarDS